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<blockquote data-quote="BasilSeal" data-source="post: 1532496" data-attributes="member: 23383"><p>The last few years have illustrated to many of us that there is good cause to doubt the trust we put in doctors, western medicine, and have opened a lot of eyes to pitfalls of allopathic medicine, and the corrupt power structures that support it, and keep our society at large on "legal" drugs.</p><p></p><p>As a result, many have started to look more seriously at "self care", and "doing your own research", which the news will tell you is exactly what we shouldn't be doing. Apparently those without a medical degree are incapable of making any informed health choices. It is interesting to note that prior to the AMA/Rockefeller takeover of medicine, becoming a doctor was a fairly straightforward and easy process. It was only after that stranglehold was established that homepathic medicine became a pariah.</p><p></p><p>While I can say that I have been using various supplements for years, it is only within the last year or two that I have taken a much more serious view of my own health, and how supplements and my own health are linked. Over that time, some supplements have come and gone, and based on my own research or response to each, have abandoned or introduced new ones.</p><p></p><p>In the meantime, I have made a conscious effort to eliminate prescription medications where I felt more natural solutions would exist, and wherever possible, validating the impact through periodic blood tests. Just to kick things off, I have made a list below of what I currently take, and why. I am curious to know what others have done or are doing.</p><p></p><p>First with the rx list:</p><p></p><p>Statin -- I have high hereditary cholesterol. Things I have tried before going on a statin: I was a vegan for 3 years after being a vegetarian for 6. I had the highest cholesterol as a vegan. I do not believe doctors understand cholesterol in my case. I was continually told to cut out the fat. I'm increasingly convinced that keto is a better fit for my situation. Anyway, I am still on the statin (for now).</p><p></p><p>Metoprolol -- I had bad PVCs about 6 years ago. I had an echo and a stress test and those looked fine. I have some kind of branch block something I didn't understand, but that is not too unusual (nor are PVCs). But it was enough to keep me up at night. So, at the advice of cardiologist I went on metoprolol and was cured. Original rx was 2x daily 100mg. Looking back, that is an insane amount.</p><p></p><p>-- </p><p></p><p>Now the rx update. I am already down to 25mg metoprolol and am in the course of weaning off entirely. I fully believe that my PVCs were primarily driven by stress. I have since changed jobs and having progressed from 200mg down to 25mg, I have not seen any uptick in PVCs. But this is a drug you HAVE to get off of slowly. Months not weeks or days. One additional motivation to get off metoprolol was research I read that showed how metoprolol can have a really bad longterm impact on your cholesterol! So much so that the researchers suggested those at risk of high cholesterol may actually do more damage to their heart ON the heart medication beta blocker (metoprolol) than off of it.</p><p></p><p>For the statin, I am still doing a keto intermittent fast (great progress). Also, to reduce triglycerides. I am also looking for and adding supplements for cholesterol, where I find them. This is an experiment in progress where I might eliminate the statin should it turn out a healthier diet and lifestyle and supplements is sufficient.</p><p></p><p>And now the supplements and why I am taking them, when not obvious. Some of these are experiments like tart cherry for example. I have high uric acid so am prone to gout.</p><p></p><p>Vitamin D -- general health</p><p>Magnesium -- PVCs and general health</p><p>Calcium -- general health</p><p>Zinc -- Immune support</p><p>Apple Cider Vinegar -- Gout, cholesterol, triglycerides, </p><p>Niacin - Cholesterol and general detox</p><p>Tart cherry - Gout</p><p>Vitamin C - Gout, general health, immune support</p><p>NAC - General health and it is perhaps the best supplement I take, so naturally its now being banned by the FDA. It can still be found, with effort.</p><p></p><p>It may be worth listing what things Ive tried and abandoned. I'd have to think about that one to make a list, so I'll end the post for now. While I am sure to break off of the metoprolol train, I am still trying to find a combination of supplements, diet, and exercise that can bring my cholesterol and triglycerides in check.</p><p></p><p>Although not doctor sanctioned "medicine", I have also completely eliminated alcohol. I have concluded, at long last, simply nothing good comes from it.</p><p></p><p>I'm looking forward to other(s) thoughts and experiments. Validating these with bloodwork is a new approach for me, but it coincides with taking a serious approach to health and not a seat of the pants feels method, confirmation bias, or placebo effect. Between tests, I try to limit any changes I make to at most one.</p><p></p><p>God bless,</p><p>- Basil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BasilSeal, post: 1532496, member: 23383"] The last few years have illustrated to many of us that there is good cause to doubt the trust we put in doctors, western medicine, and have opened a lot of eyes to pitfalls of allopathic medicine, and the corrupt power structures that support it, and keep our society at large on "legal" drugs. As a result, many have started to look more seriously at "self care", and "doing your own research", which the news will tell you is exactly what we shouldn't be doing. Apparently those without a medical degree are incapable of making any informed health choices. It is interesting to note that prior to the AMA/Rockefeller takeover of medicine, becoming a doctor was a fairly straightforward and easy process. It was only after that stranglehold was established that homepathic medicine became a pariah. While I can say that I have been using various supplements for years, it is only within the last year or two that I have taken a much more serious view of my own health, and how supplements and my own health are linked. Over that time, some supplements have come and gone, and based on my own research or response to each, have abandoned or introduced new ones. In the meantime, I have made a conscious effort to eliminate prescription medications where I felt more natural solutions would exist, and wherever possible, validating the impact through periodic blood tests. Just to kick things off, I have made a list below of what I currently take, and why. I am curious to know what others have done or are doing. First with the rx list: Statin -- I have high hereditary cholesterol. Things I have tried before going on a statin: I was a vegan for 3 years after being a vegetarian for 6. I had the highest cholesterol as a vegan. I do not believe doctors understand cholesterol in my case. I was continually told to cut out the fat. I'm increasingly convinced that keto is a better fit for my situation. Anyway, I am still on the statin (for now). Metoprolol -- I had bad PVCs about 6 years ago. I had an echo and a stress test and those looked fine. I have some kind of branch block something I didn't understand, but that is not too unusual (nor are PVCs). But it was enough to keep me up at night. So, at the advice of cardiologist I went on metoprolol and was cured. Original rx was 2x daily 100mg. Looking back, that is an insane amount. -- Now the rx update. I am already down to 25mg metoprolol and am in the course of weaning off entirely. I fully believe that my PVCs were primarily driven by stress. I have since changed jobs and having progressed from 200mg down to 25mg, I have not seen any uptick in PVCs. But this is a drug you HAVE to get off of slowly. Months not weeks or days. One additional motivation to get off metoprolol was research I read that showed how metoprolol can have a really bad longterm impact on your cholesterol! So much so that the researchers suggested those at risk of high cholesterol may actually do more damage to their heart ON the heart medication beta blocker (metoprolol) than off of it. For the statin, I am still doing a keto intermittent fast (great progress). Also, to reduce triglycerides. I am also looking for and adding supplements for cholesterol, where I find them. This is an experiment in progress where I might eliminate the statin should it turn out a healthier diet and lifestyle and supplements is sufficient. And now the supplements and why I am taking them, when not obvious. Some of these are experiments like tart cherry for example. I have high uric acid so am prone to gout. Vitamin D -- general health Magnesium -- PVCs and general health Calcium -- general health Zinc -- Immune support Apple Cider Vinegar -- Gout, cholesterol, triglycerides, Niacin - Cholesterol and general detox Tart cherry - Gout Vitamin C - Gout, general health, immune support NAC - General health and it is perhaps the best supplement I take, so naturally its now being banned by the FDA. It can still be found, with effort. It may be worth listing what things Ive tried and abandoned. I'd have to think about that one to make a list, so I'll end the post for now. While I am sure to break off of the metoprolol train, I am still trying to find a combination of supplements, diet, and exercise that can bring my cholesterol and triglycerides in check. Although not doctor sanctioned "medicine", I have also completely eliminated alcohol. I have concluded, at long last, simply nothing good comes from it. I'm looking forward to other(s) thoughts and experiments. Validating these with bloodwork is a new approach for me, but it coincides with taking a serious approach to health and not a seat of the pants feels method, confirmation bias, or placebo effect. Between tests, I try to limit any changes I make to at most one. God bless, - Basil [/QUOTE]
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