Mein Kampf - objective analysis

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pelicanto8888

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Hoser said:
Nothing in it that you didn't already know? That's impressive. How did you obtain this knowledge? I ask sincerely.

Agreed that it's as uncritical of Hitler as virtually every other (((approved))) documentary is critical of him. As such, it serves its purpose of informing both sides of the debate.
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These two books:
Anthony Beevor - Berlin: The Downfall 1945
Keith Lowe - Savage Continent: Europe in the Aftermath of World War II (highly recommended)

Plus a few TV documentaries I don't remember the names of.


I can see where you are coming from with regards to the documentary balancing the debate however my experience has been that none of the information in the documentary is a withheld secret.

The strange reality is that it would be socially acceptable for someone to make the case that Stalin did some good and some bad. Or that his aims were noble but his methods cruel etc.
However it is not socially acceptable to make a similar case for Hitler.
When the reality is that Stalin was probably worse for the people of eastern Europe than Hitler would have been.
Same goes for Mao, Castro etc.
 
Hoser

Hoser

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I'll keep my eyes peeled for those books.

Would you agree, however, that watching the documentary is a useful endeavor for those who seek a fuller understanding of, or perhaps just a strong introduction to, WWII, Nazis, etc.?

I ask because I've become very tired of seeing only Hitler used as an example of widespread evil when, as you bring up, "left"-leaning governments seem to be far more sinister.
 
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pelicanto8888

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The person who will get most out of watching the documentary is someone who "knows" that Hitler is evil but doesn't actually know very much about the period.

Hitler's evil acts are comparable to Stalin's evil acts and to the western allies's evil acts. The documentary will show him that all sides in the war did terrible things and there was no "good guys vs bad guys" scenario.
 
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pelicanto8888

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Your questions have caused me to reassess my opinion on the documentary. I initially said I wouldn't recommend watching it but I realize I was really speaking to myself.
The majority of people probably aren't aware of many of the facts presented and would gain value from it.
 
numanist

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I just got done reading Mein Kampf and I saw some hypocrisy. For one, he said that Great Britain would make a great ally, and he also says that Russia would make an impossible alliance. In the end though, Hitler made a pact with Russia to split up Poland, and Great Britain went to war with Germany. He also spoke very ill of the French saying they were the mortal enemy of Germany. Ironically though, there are reports that Hitler conceived a child with a French woman. That being said some of his musings are quite agreeable and timeless.


Philippe Loret and his six siblings were sitting around the dining room table chatting about everyday things when their father, Jean-Marie, broke the news.

‘Suddenly my father said, “Kids, I’ve got something to tell you. Your grandfather is Adolf Hitler,” ’ explains Philippe. ‘There was stunned silence as no one knew what to say. We didn’t know how to react.’

That was 40 years ago, yet there is a sense that Philippe, 56, still doesn’t know how to react. He has never spoken out about that conversation or the fact he may be the grandson of the most infamous dictator in history. A former plumber for the French air force, he has kept it a secret from all but his closest friends, never telling his colleagues or even his partner’s family.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...plumber-tells-family-story.html#ixzz4ciuieaKm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...andson-French-plumber-tells-family-story.html
 
Chris Brown

Chris Brown

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I stopped half way through Mein Kampf. It was okay. I prefer George Lincoln Rockwells White Power. Even Arthur Kemps March of the Titans was good.
 
Lunostrelki

Lunostrelki

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Hitler was hypocritical because he was a powerful orator and man of will, not logic or planning. He ran Germany into the ground, not just because he started World War II, but because he dicked around with the markets and created a dysfunctional regime that required his personal hand in everything. The Nazi regime would have collapsed if it didn't loot the rest of Europe.

The more I read the more I'm convinced that Nazism is really just an idealized form of communism, mixed with the stupidest aspects of German romanticism. You have all the ingredients of state control, extreme loyalty to a political party, devotion to a godlike leader, command economy, "bad" classes that can have all their rights taken away for some abstract pseudo-philosophical reasoning, that frankly existed in Stalinism and Maoism and had their roots in Leninism.

The idea that Nazism and communism are on the opposite ends of a political spectrum is clever Marxist propaganda, designed to demonize only specific aspects of the Third Reich—specifically its racism and genocide of Jews and homosexuals (but nary mention of the other victims who made up a vast majority).
 
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Armogan

 
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Hoser, yes Hitler was a great guy, just misunderstood. Sure, but what do I know, I wasn't there right.

I wasn't there when the Allies landed on D-Day, or know how horrifying it could have been on Omaha and Utah beach. But I'll just assume thousands/millions of men, historical documents, photos, video recording, etc. all are fake in order to present things in a misleading light.
 
Hoser

Hoser

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Lunostrelki said:
Hitler was hypocritical because he was a powerful orator and man of will, not logic or planning. He ran Germany into the ground, not just because he started World War II, but because he dicked around with the markets and created a dysfunctional regime that required his personal hand in everything. The Nazi regime would have collapsed if it didn't loot the rest of Europe.

The more I read the more I'm convinced that Nazism is really just an idealized form of communism, mixed with the stupidest aspects of German romanticism. You have all the ingredients of state control, extreme loyalty to a political party, devotion to a godlike leader, command economy, "bad" classes that can have all their rights taken away for some abstract pseudo-philosophical reasoning, that frankly existed in Stalinism and Maoism and had their roots in Leninism.

The idea that Nazism and communism are on the opposite ends of a political spectrum is clever Marxist propaganda, designed to demonize only specific aspects of the Third Reich—specifically its racism and genocide of Jews and homosexuals (but nary mention of the other victims who made up a vast majority).
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Last time I read this, I was too drunk to understand it. Ironically, I lashed out at the author and questioned his coherence of thought.

I apologized privately, and I just wanted to go on the record to say that, fully sober again, I see that he makes a good point and supports it.

It truly is hard to know who to believe when it comes to world or even local politics. So many "facts" turn out to not be facts, and so many "reporters" and "historians" are actually subversive enemy agitators.

That's why we need the free exchange of ideas in the marketplace of thought. Let the conflicting views battle each other, standing or falling by their merits. Battling each other, however, is just what the [unequivocally evil] powers that be want us to do, and I regret falling for their ploy.
 
Uruz

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numanist said:
I just got done reading Mein Kampf and I saw some hypocrisy. For one, he said that Great Britain would make a great ally, and he also says that Russia would make an impossible alliance. In the end though, Hitler made a pact with Russia to split up Poland, and Great Britain went to war with Germany. He also spoke very ill of the French saying they were the mortal enemy of Germany. Ironically though, there are reports that Hitler conceived a child with a French woman. That being said some of his musings are quite agreeable and timeless.
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How about the many proposals of peace for UK? Nothing? They wanted war. How about not killing all the soldiers at Dunkirk? Rudolf Hess, nothing?

Well I don't exactly look highly at people outside of Europa but I would not really care if there were some halfies of me running around the third-world.
 
Hoser

Hoser

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Armogan said:
Hoser, yes Hitler was a great guy, just misunderstood. Sure, but what do I know, I wasn't there right.

I wasn't there when the Allies landed on D-Day, or know how horrifying it could have been on Omaha and Utah beach. But I'll just assume thousands/millions of men, historical documents, photos, video recording, etc. all are fake in order to present things in a misleading light.
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Many people believe that he was not necessarily misunderstood, but rather greatly misrepresented. I used to consider these people kooks and losers until I started reading some of their points and viewing some of the "historical documents, photos, video recording, etc." that reveal a side to WWII previously swept under the carpet by the winning side.

This is why I suggest that viewing "The Greatest Story Never Told" be a prerequisite to participating in this discussion. Yes, it's one-sided (it has to be, considering how well versed we all are on the other side), but it's not propagandic. I'd compare it to a good trial lawyer using evidence, and weaknesses in his opponent's evidence, to make a strong case in which the facts do all the persuading.

I listened to an interview with the film's maker, and he mentioned that his greatest satisfaction has been hearing from so many people people who've had their worlds turned upside-down by the realization that we've been duped, overwhelmingly lied to, by our governments before, during, and since the conflict.

Watch it and find out for yourself which version of history you believe the facts and testimonies support, then let's have a grown-up conversation about it.
 
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