Men Among the Ruins

Sword

Sparrow
Catholic
The election hit me hard yesterday watching the blatant cheating happen yet again, and realizing how much of an eye opener this hopefully will be. I am very jaded about it ultimately making any difference, but I feel like there was a lot of talk and thought among various right-types that 'this would be different' from poll watching, to general discontentment with biden, our crashing economy etc. What I suspected would happen loosely did, you had a few soft rights / RINOS / YKW-approved republicans win, whereas any election denier or MAGA type were dismantled by various schemes (see kari lake in az, or colorado primary tina peters). As to wheter it was rigged (likely) or so many women would rather kill babies than deal with hyper inflation it ultimately doesn't matter as they both point to a deep rot.

Everyone here largely knows voting was not going to make a difference, and that is not the point. I feel like yesterday was a bit of an inflection point showing nothing was going to change, we are in a terminal decline that will not be stopped.

So...that brings us to this point, us men among the ruins...where do we go from here? If Evola could see what has happened to the world, it would stun him how far we have fallen, and I think how clearly we see how much further we can fall.

From here, where do we go, what do we do? Last night I felt like I had a new divine guidance or power wash over me with how important of a question this is to answer. Of course the number one priority is the safety and well being of my family, and how much of the decadence of society is meaningless. I think naturally the first question is where to go? I don't think this has an easy answer, Europe is mostly lost, and much of the world is corrupt or would be hard to move to. For all intents where in the USA might be best to weather the storm? Some of the heartland states, Arkansas, Missouri, or some of the Appalachia areas are not bad, but you are so close to very dense population zones, inevitably when more riots, shortages and so on happen it will spill over and out. Colorado, my home state, becomes more degenerate by the year, (((they))) targeted it to be new California, and have changed it almost unrecognizably over the last 10-15 years - full of hipsters, gays, jews, and druggies. It would be easiest to stay in a place I know, but its un-affordable here, and I make decent money. North, like Idaho or Maine you deal with high prices like Colorado. Sometimes I think Alaska as it has the advantages of loosely being a separate country but the downsides are long dark winters and tougher growing seasons. Anywhere, we know there will be far more blm-type agitations, and 'evil whitey' propaganda, more diversity hires, more DEI type business practices, etc.

I know how important spirituality is as well, but it is hard for me to not become fatalistic or disengaged with the 'real world' as it feels so beyond redemption at this point. Well, short term for a single life anyway. Even when you realize how fallen this world is, and how God will have the final say, we still have to live in the here and now, and still have responsibilities to our family, if nothing else.

Yesterday, the forces of darkness made clear they are not playing around, and society continues to fall apart, we find ourselves in this crumbling world and must learn to best navigate it.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
Sometimes I think Alaska as it has the advantages of loosely being a separate country but the downsides are long dark winters and tougher growing seasons.
Could this be part of why the ancestors of Europeans moved so far north to settle in Europe? Because it was the one place they could move to that would be unmolested by the Empire That Never Ends in the Mesopotamian region?
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
Yesterday, the forces of darkness made clear they are not playing around, and society continues to fall apart, we find ourselves in this crumbling world and must learn to best navigate it.
This is the key. I think because of recency bias, few realize how many years left the US actually has, in terms of being a place they even recognize monetarily/financially/economically.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
You were wrong by having any expectation of whatever election to begin with. The ship is sinking, get in the rescue boat yourself and take as many with you as possible. Accept that you're not gonna save your entire country, or civilization. The rot is too deep. But in your personal life, with the right people, you can still live a good and fruitful life.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
I have to admit, I was fully expecting some kind of exceptional event coinciding with this election, like perhaps a nuclear war, with the leftist cabal pulling out all stops necessary to hold onto power. The fact that the Republicans had mild gains and things are otherwise normal surprises me.

We know the Republicans are as corrupt as the Dems, so even with a Republican speaker of the house, and even if there was a Republican Senate majority, they wouldn't do anything to truly block the globohomo agenda.

The correct advice has already been given on multiple threads here. Save your money. Find ways to be more antifragile. Develop marketable skills that would allow you to be self employed. Invest your savings in assets that hold long term value. Most importantly, seek God, and follow his commands, knowing that he is in control, and will bring you home in the end, one way or the other.

As for Colorado, it has turned into a super expensive liberal hellhole. Research average home values in different parts of the country, and find places that are lower priced, with no big cities nearby. The high plains are good for this, generally speaking. You may not be able to move out right away due to finances and career, but you can start positioning yourself to move, and then pull the trigger when you are ready.
 

Grigori

 
Banned
Other Christian
From here, where do we go, what do we do?
There have been multiple threads discussing the topic of where to go already.

I can understand that basically pretty much the entire US is corrupted and degenerate. And then again, every place has it's trade offs, one thing good, another thing bad. I would say that rural California isn't that bad, as long as you don't interact with the people, and stay out of the greater LA and greater SF urban agglomerations, as well as some other areas.

I can sympathize with conservative Americans who are losing their civilization. Although it doesn't affect me as much, because I was born in Russia and came to the US when I was 4. Never the less, that doesn't make the US my country just because I live here, and I am somewhat detached and indifferent to all the goings on. However the similar things are happening in Russia right now, which is a cause for concern. Russia is also becoming lost, and has been on the process of destruction for more than a 100 years now. It's no longer the Russia that used to be, so I would also feel out of place there.

I think that becoming disengaged with the 'real world' is not necessarily a bad thing. @Viktor Zeegelaar is right. You shouldn't worry about helping the world, you can only save yourself and your family, friends, and loved ones. Well I don't have a family and I don't know anyone in the world at all, so if I die I guess no one would be there to cry for me, so I just don't really care at this point, lol.

I think that the best philosophy in such a condition would be a kind of personal anarchism or self dependence. Basically every man for himself. You owe nothing to society. You are not a subject, you are a sovereign individual. Although you have to still pay taxes and follow the rules of the road otherwise you'll be arrested. But there are still many things that you can do. Look at this chart. On the right side we can see actions that are illegal, such as not paying taxes and what not. On the left side you see behaviors of a total sheep, a good little society obeyer, like getting the booster shot, eating the bugs, etc. But there is still a large enough window between the criminal and the sheep, which is the golden center. This is where you want to be. The philosophy in this kind of lifestyle is basically do anything that you judge would be useful to you, barring anything illegal. But don't let sociey and the media tell you that you can't do this or that. If there would be no legal reprecussions for it, or if you are 200% certain that you won't get caught/seen. At the end of the day it's up to you to decide what is morally right or morally wrong. Some things that are moral are illegal, and some things that are legal are immoral. You are the judge of your own morality.

The sheep lifestyle is willing. Those kind of people gave into soft power, propaganda, and coersion, and mind tricks. But most of the actions that TPTB want to force onto people are technically voluntary, no one will apply strong power onto you like putting you in jail if you don't comply. They will however try to use deception to get you. Like in CA when you're filling out applications online, there is a field where you have to mark whether you want to be part of their organ donor registry, well that checkbox comes automatically checked, so it's easy to skip past such an important topic, so you have to keep your eyes peeled and manually uncheck that box before moving forward in the application. You don't want to end up as an experiment. The sheep are altruistic to their detriment. They give their money to "charities", they donate their blood, and volunteer for a fallen and utterly decadent society. So don't be altruistic at all. The sheep called us selfish because we didn't get the vaxx. So I just had an enlightenment, that they're right, except not for the way that they think. In order to get ahead in the world, you gotta be selfish. Becaue no one will serve your interests other than you. In practical terms, it means don't be a societal pushover. And if you are in the college, and they have free cookie week for students, but there's a paper that says "take one only", if no one is looking, take one, and then take another one! Even if someone is looking, most people are pushovers, and even if they say something, deny it, act oblivious, claim extreme starvation, or just laugh in their face. If you are in college, and they force the entire class to attend a mandatory diversity conference, there's free food at the conference, so while everyone else is attentively listening the so-called "sage" with the neon blue hair at the podium, you go to the back where the food is, and take seconds and thirds. Then pull out you rmp3 player and listen to Evola or Confucius audiobooks instead. If you're at some kind of corporate event, collect all the free pens, sunglasses, and usb drives that you can carry. If someone, who does not have legal power over you, such as a co-worker, pressures you to take the vaxx, announce to everyone that you will take several days off to get the vaxx, then enjoy the days off but don't go to the clinics, and then when you come back to your job, just stick a bandage onto your arm if they insist to see it. If the doctor prescribes you some pills, pick them up from the pharmacy, but don't consume them. Don't pay for movies, if you can pirate and torrent them online. If an article has a paywall, inspect the webpage and edit the HTML to get rid of it.

This is a philosophy of extreme self reliance and personal anarchism. Live for yourself only, live for your own interests, not for the interests of someone else. Snake your way through society. Choose your strikes and your battles wisely. Remember, you don't owe anything to anyone. Yes, be selfish. The main takeaway here is that there is a window between complete illegal and complete compliance.

@Max Roscoe profile picture summarizes this philosophy perfectly.
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If you are wondering where to go, I would recommend China, Japan, or Southeast Asia, because they will be the most stable countries going forward, and additionally because I like the traditional Asian culture. If it wasn't for the vaccine mandates, I would have already moved there.
 
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Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
I have to admit, I was fully expecting some kind of exceptional event coinciding with this election, like perhaps a nuclear war, with the leftist cabal pulling out all stops necessary to hold onto power.
Why would they need that if they can just rig it and steer perception through their media? They could lock the world down for the flu for 2 years, so this isn't that special. America moreover is just one pawn in the grand chessboard, although an important one. Overall, if the reps would gain something, then probably the strategy is to give a little bit to the ''conservatives'' to make them not rebel and think they've actually won, while nothing is gonna change anyway as as you rightfully say the reps are completely owned by the Jewish and other globalist powers. So from that perspective, when making moves on the grand global chessboard, it's the logical thing to do to not overreach and decimate the ''republican'' and therefore ''conservative'' movement, for when people have nothing to lose and no hope anymore, then they'll rebel, like a cat in the corner.
 

Grigori

 
Banned
Other Christian
The question is: So for men among the ruins of society, what do we do?
When society hits rock bottom, when everything collapses, what do we do?

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My answer would be: just survive. Be yourself, and be selfish. Don't care about society. Don't care if society dies, since they didn't care if you died, in fact some of those creeps actively wanted you to die. So don't help them when hard times come for everyone. Become a prepper. Learn how to survive. I mean not only "survival skills", but learn how to survive in society, just as finances, and societal manipulations. Be like the ant in the story about the ant and the grasshopper.

You are the only one who can help you. You are the only one who will protect your interests. No one else cares about you. In fact they want you dead. It doesn't make sense to be altruistic in this day and age.



Hamza is a self improvement/manosphere YouTuber that I sometimes watch. Basically what he is saying is that when society hits rock bottom, given current trajectory, that is when strong men will be needed. I agree with his observation about the current trajectory of society, but I disagree with his conclusion. I for one, don't think that you should help anyone during the time when strong men will be needed. Number one, it will be hard enough just surviving on your own and feeding your own mouth for goodness sake, and number two you don't owe anyone anything. The sheep don't deserve your help, even if they do need it. The community just happens to be the place where you are residing at the current point in time, but it's not your community.

many women would rather kill babies than deal with hyper inflation
Yeah, well in that case they are undeserving any help or sympathy from the part of strong men. If you're a strong man, you don't owe these women anything. When society collapses, you have no social obligations, other than your own interests. They are truly horrible people who would gladly kill babies. They are just regular people, or sheeps, don't treat them especially well just because they're women. They wanted equal treatment, well they're going to get it. Chivalry is dead. The medieval warrior that you should emulate is the Turkic. Not Ottoman Empire, but the Central Asian nomad who serves no master. Turkic peoples have the wolf spirit.

Be the wolf. Dogs lick people, dogs bark a lot without reason, dogs wag their tails, dogs pant like idiots. On the other hand, wolves don't bark without reason, they don't lick anyone's hand, they don't wag their tails. Wolves are wild and free, they serve no master other than looking for themselves and their tribe. Anyone else is either a prey or a foe to the wolves. I've one seen an actual wolf in real life before. He never barked without reason, and he was always silent. His eyes had a very deep and thoughtful gaze, more than most dogs, and more than even some people. When he looked at me, it was clear that he was studying me.

Most Americans, the sheep on the left side of the chart, are like dogs. They obey their masters, they are naive, they do the "soyboy grin". Be the wolf.

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rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
I have put together a two year plan. Right or wrong, my gut tells me there is no good outcome in the 2024 elections in this country. I've thought this for a little while. And beginning 2025 we begin the next severe step in the downward spiral.

That isn't meant to be some doom opinion, just as rational a conclusion I can come up with after removing hope/emotion from the equation.

But all is not lost. That gives all of us two years to create and execute a plan.

I have put as much energy into creating an online biz as I can. I plan to use it to move overseas but I am not recommending moving overseas. If you want to, great. But red states in America are a good option to. The main point here is to have income outside of the system. To be well clear of the employer mandates and culture and to be location independent. The first step to being free from the mayhem is to be self employed.

Second is to be genuinely grateful for those close to you, wife, children, etc. Whatever the challenges, they will be by your side and you should still take pride in providing for them, teaching/guiding them and creating long term memories. And the motivation for an online biz directly ties to this, for the wife/family you have or the wife/family you will have. Protecting and providing for them is easier when you're not reliant on the system as an 8-5 employee whose boss and mandate a jab tomorrow.

Third, become closer to God and reflect on your purpose. Find your purpose. Remember God is with all of us and the current situation is simply a test he wants all of us to go through. So don't overthink it. Don't get depressed. Just recognize these are the times and formulate the above plan to do your best for yourself and those who depend on you.

There is still a lot of beauty out there in this world God created. If you're feeling down, go for a walk in nature. Take care of your health. Chase your mission. Find an excitement if figuring out a way to exist outside the mayhem. That opportunity is there and God gave us all the capability to go after it. God doesn't want is giving up. God wants us to forge ahead.

I will take this time to become the best father/husband/leader/teacher I can be. I will embrace the challenge of while acknowledging the world is quickly changing around us, I more than ever before am accountable for my and my family's life. And all the tools are still there to create the life I want for them. There is something innately empowering about that. Truly accepting it falls on my shoulders and your shoulders.
 

rodion

Woodpecker
Orthodox
The question is: So for men among the ruins of society, what do we do?
When society hits rock bottom, when everything collapses, what do we do?

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My answer would be: just survive. Be yourself, and be selfish. Don't care about society. Don't care if society dies, since they didn't care if you died, in fact some of those creeps actively wanted you to die. So don't help them when hard times come for everyone. Become a prepper. Learn how to survive. I mean not only "survival skills", but learn how to survive in society, just as finances, and societal manipulations. Be like the ant in the story about the ant and the grasshopper.

You are the only one who can help you. You are the only one who will protect your interests. No one else cares about you. In fact they want you dead. It doesn't make sense to be altruistic in this day and age.



Hamza is a self improvement/manosphere YouTuber that I sometimes watch. Basically what he is saying is that when society hits rock bottom, given current trajectory, that is when strong men will be needed. I agree with his observation about the current trajectory of society, but I disagree with his conclusion. I for one, don't think that you should help anyone during the time when strong men will be needed. Number one, it will be hard enough just surviving on your own and feeding your own mouth for goodness sake, and number two you don't owe anyone anything. The sheep don't deserve your help, even if they do need it. The community just happens to be the place where you are residing at the current point in time, but it's not your community.


Yeah, well in that case they are undeserving any help or sympathy from the part of strong men. If you're a strong man, you don't owe these women anything. When society collapses, you have no social obligations, other than your own interests. They are truly horrible people who would gladly kill babies. They are just regular people, or sheeps, don't treat them especially well just because they're women. They wanted equal treatment, well they're going to get it. Chivalry is dead. The medieval warrior that you should emulate is the Turkic. Not Ottoman Empire, but the Central Asian nomad who serves no master. Turkic peoples have the wolf spirit.

Be the wolf. Dogs lick people, dogs bark a lot without reason, dogs wag their tails, dogs pant like idiots. On the other hand, wolves don't bark without reason, they don't lick anyone's hand, they don't wag their tails. Wolves are wild and free, they serve no master other than looking for themselves and their tribe. Anyone else is either a prey or a foe to the wolves. I've one seen an actual wolf in real life before. He never barked without reason, and he was always silent. His eyes had a very deep and thoughtful gaze, more than most dogs, and more than even some people. When he looked at me, it was clear that he was studying me.

Most Americans, the sheep on the left side of the chart, are like dogs. They obey their masters, they are naive, they do the "soyboy grin". Be the wolf.

Princess_Mononoke_Japanese_poster.png


I don’t think this is the solution at all.

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Do we want Christ to say “I was hungry and you did not feed me?” Societal collapse would be a time for Christian virtue and courage
 

Sword

Sparrow
Catholic
There is a line between taking what comes and being smart about it, and taking what comes and being dumb about it. For example, if you lived in LA or chicago, staying there is a dumb idea, and it doesn't seem like it would be God's test to see if you can survive rampaging BLM riots. Conversely, of course if it was within your power to help/save someone you come across thats the virtuous thing to do, but if there were 50 blue hair trannys at your door and they want the rest of your food that is an easy time to say no. Because if you give all your food away and you die then you can't help anyone else.

As to the red states, that is a good place to begin, but again many of them are 50 miles or less from dense zones of Sodom/Gomorrah levels of rot.
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
Democracy is dead and it's time for people to forget this cocaine-strong koolaid. It was a bad idea from the start and now we are reaping what was sown. It's just a tool for regulatory capture. It has to be abolished in one way or another and replaced with Christian monarchy.
That doesn't happen until the USD is dethroned, and that is usually what coincides with a DC panic of the deep state/military complex/three letter agency rash decision making. Just ask Mr. Celente.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
The answer to this is starting or joining a religious community -


In my research so far the US is the best place for this. You can land in some regions for $1,000 an acre. It's about 10X that in much of Europe with little to no possibility to build on it.



If one person establishes such a place, then it makes it easier for others to make the move, rather than spend years trying to make plans.

Living in such a place, you can turn politics off and just focus on continuing a remnant of our culture.

I have the money to start this, but it'd be in EE, and the stars have not aligned on it yet.
 

mountainaire

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
This is not meant to be blackpill posting, just an honest summary. I don't mean to harp on the negative. I believe it's important for men to take an honest inventory of the current state of affairs. I have not lost hope in good people, families, the Christian church... only our system of government. It has proved to be impotent in stopping these powerful globalist tyrants forcing their will and agenda on a supposedly "free" people.

Before the mid-terms, I believed in participating in the democratic process. Now, it's become clear that is not the way forward. Corruption, fraud and propaganda is just too strong.

Now, I believe people need to go "local". Focus on your family, church, local community. We need to starve the beast. It exists only to destroy us. Let the rotten system collapse under it's own weight ala the USSR and other empires before it. Take all that you can from it, and only give back the bare minimum as to not end up in jail.

EDIT: If a sincere opposition party that is principled and serious about making changes emerges and can somehow gain popular support, I'll re-evaluate my position.
 
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DanielH

Hummingbird
Moderator
Orthodox
This is not meant to be blackpill posting, just an honest summary. I don't mean to harp on the negative. I believe it's important for men to take an honest inventory of the current state of affairs. I have not lost hope in good people, families, the Christian church... only our system of government. It has proved to be impotent in stopping these powerful globalist tyrants forcing their will and agenda on a supposedly "free" people.

Before the mid-terms, I believed in participating in the democratic process. Now, it's become clear that is not the way forward. Corruption, fraud and propaganda is just too strong.

Now, I believe people need to go "local". Focus on your family, church, local community. We need to starve the beast. It exists only to destroy us. Let the rotten system collapse under it's own weight ala the USSR and other empires before it. Take all that you can from it, and only give back the bare minimum as to not end up in jail.

EDIT: If a sincere opposition party that is principled and serious about making changes emerges and can somehow gain popular support, I'll re-evaluate my position.
My rebuttal to this is that the people who rule successor states after countries and empires collapse are still people who had institutional power before the collapse. They were bureaucrats, high ranking secretaries, generals, or in some rare cases, bishops.

By protesting elections and eschewing bureaucratic power you're basically betting on a successful peasant revolt, which fails almost every time, or just gets co-opted into a satanic revolution such as in Russia or France. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts

At this point, I don't really care either way whether people vote or not... persecution will come one way or another and we're told to rejoice and be glad when that happens. I do agree with forming tight knit communities.
 

mountainaire

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
My rebuttal to this is that the people who rule successor states after countries and empires collapse are still people who had institutional power before the collapse. They were bureaucrats, high ranking secretaries, generals, or in some rare cases, bishops.

By protesting elections and eschewing bureaucratic power you're basically betting on a successful peasant revolt, which fails almost every time, or just gets co-opted into a satanic revolution such as in Russia or France. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts

At this point, I don't really care either way whether people vote or not... persecution will come one way or another and we're told to rejoice and be glad when that happens. I do agree with forming tight knit communities.
I think people should shift their focus to things that they can control. Local politics, depending on where you live, may fall under that umbrella. Local sheriff, school board, city council, etc.

National level politics, that's another story. In the "post mortem" of these mid term elections, it's come out that McConnell and the RINOS intentionally withheld funding allocation for certain Trump affiliated candidates in competitive races. They stabbed their constituency in the back to stop a populist takeover of the party. For this, they deserve nothing less than complete and utter defeat across the board. Whoever they try to prop up in Trumps place (DeSantis) deserves to fail, and they probably will.
 

Sword

Sparrow
Catholic
National level politics, that's another story. In the "post mortem" of these mid term elections, it's come out that McConnell and the RINOS intentionally withheld funding allocation for certain Trump affiliated candidates in competitive races. They stabbed their constituency in the back to stop a populist takeover of the party.

Of course this story is buried, but is what I alluded to in the OP. The safe aka jew-approved republicans got in (like that slimeball rubio) who espouse small gov but they all signed off on huge aid packages to ukriane. But...they made sure to take out ANY maga candidate. So the average pleb sees a slight 'repub' victory, but they are all part of the same globohomo/zion group.

They are really turning the screws, even in media they shill all the usual suspects with deep zion ties like peterson, shaprio etc, all disgusting humans who are somehow elevated to 'thought leaders'. I rarely engage in it anymore, but stunned when I go on youtube to look up a howto video and see that stuff shilled everwhere.

So I got a pretty good lock on the west but can anyone familiar with Arkansas, or some of the mountainous regions on the east let me know what that is like? The one thing that stops me of looking east of the Mississippi is this:
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rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
I really liked Eastern Tenn FWIW.

Visited a little while ago while considering options. But East Tenn is on my list as a potential future location to move to.

Obviously lefties are moving to major cities everywhere but I think that's something you just have to accept. But a little outside Knoxville the people seemed pretty normal to me. And my research suggested even with left leaning people there they are far more moderate. Nature/mountains are beautiful if that's important to you.

East Tenn is also a little less susceptible to tornados if that's a concern.
 

Helmsman

Robin
Protestant
I really liked Eastern Tenn FWIW.

Visited a little while ago while considering options. But East Tenn is on my list as a potential future location to move to.

Obviously lefties are moving to major cities everywhere but I think that's something you just have to accept. But a little outside Knoxville the people seemed pretty normal to me. And my research suggested even with left leaning people there they are far more moderate. Nature/mountains are beautiful if that's important to you.

East Tenn is also a little less susceptible to tornados if that's a concern.
Spent a lot of time in east TN/west NC, it's a fine area. Hiked the area from Frozen Head SP, TN to Pisgah NF, NC. Stay away from the tourist traps like Gatlinburg or Maggie Valley, and the cities like Asheville and Knoxville. Knox isn't too bad but Ashville is Austin in the mountains. The locals in the region tend towards old school. Still a lot of religion in the hills and a mess of good people, but a lot of moral rot like anywhere else in the country.

ORNL and Y-12 are right outside Knoxville in Oak Ridge. Lots of DoE, military, and nuclear weapons research there. Might avoid Oak Ridge since it'll be high on the strategic target list if nuclear war broke out.
 
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