Men Losing Ground in Bartending

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I hate when guys buy the female bartender or servers shots.

I don't get it?! not only did you buy two drinks and only get one.. but you gave a girl that is paid to be nice to you a drink as if she is interested in you.

that's worse than buying a girl a drink as an opener, because you know she is gonna walk away to another guy.
 

Hotwheels

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El Rey said:
I almost never tip a bartender. I don't care if you are a man or a woman, you are turning around and pushing a button/tap to pour some shit into a glass. You are usually moving no more than 6 feet to do this. The only bartenders I ever tip are at my go to spots for first dates with a girl, as they know me and hook it up each time. And even then it is $1 a drink at most.

But what do I know. I just always have gin and tonics, I go to places that aren't populated by all the club rats and going out rats, and I don't get that drunk - I prefer pussy to getting loaded.

Tipping well will help you lock down a bar.

Having a bar on lock is good as it's about like you own the place when you bring a broad in, and she will sense the fact the staff is catering to you above all the others.
 

slothpiece

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Hotwheels said:
El Rey said:
I almost never tip a bartender. I don't care if you are a man or a woman, you are turning around and pushing a button/tap to pour some shit into a glass. You are usually moving no more than 6 feet to do this. The only bartenders I ever tip are at my go to spots for first dates with a girl, as they know me and hook it up each time. And even then it is $1 a drink at most.

But what do I know. I just always have gin and tonics, I go to places that aren't populated by all the club rats and going out rats, and I don't get that drunk - I prefer pussy to getting loaded.

Tipping well will help you lock down a bar.

Having a bar on lock is good as it's about like you own the place when you bring a broad in, and she will sense the fact the staff is catering to you above all the others.

Absolutely. I have been saved by bartenders of both genders for tipping well and I have also had hot girls approach me after watching me consume free shots with the bartender and having a good time. It's a preselector and the bartenders can have your back on occasions when you meet a dooface who wants to cause trouble at the bar (e.g., when you don't move from your spot at the bar because you want to hold onto that real estate because of its ROI on meeting females without having to cold approach). The preselector works better of course when its a hot female bartender.
 

Therapsid

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slothpiece said:
Hotwheels said:
El Rey said:
I almost never tip a bartender. I don't care if you are a man or a woman, you are turning around and pushing a button/tap to pour some shit into a glass. You are usually moving no more than 6 feet to do this. The only bartenders I ever tip are at my go to spots for first dates with a girl, as they know me and hook it up each time. And even then it is $1 a drink at most.

But what do I know. I just always have gin and tonics, I go to places that aren't populated by all the club rats and going out rats, and I don't get that drunk - I prefer pussy to getting loaded.

Tipping well will help you lock down a bar.

Having a bar on lock is good as it's about like you own the place when you bring a broad in, and she will sense the fact the staff is catering to you above all the others.

Absolutely. I have been saved by bartenders of both genders for tipping well and I have also had hot girls approach me after watching me consume free shots with the bartender and having a good time. It's a preselector and the bartenders can have your back on occasions when you meet a dooface who wants to cause trouble at the bar (e.g., when you don't move from your spot at the bar because you want to hold onto that real estate because of its ROI on meeting females without having to cold approach). The preselector works better of course when its a hot female bartender.

I'll tip regardless out of courtesy, but I wonder about the ROI of tipping sometimes. If you travel a lot and frequently go to bars that you'll rarely if ever step foot in again, is it worth tipping? To get the bartender to do shots with you and have your back, you're going to have to be laying it on thick, at least at the beginning. Why bother if you're only in the city for the weekend?

Tipping becomes a never-ending arms race. If you're at a venue where people are tipping heavily, then a 25% or 30% tip won't cut it anymore, and it's a slippery slope to throwing away money.

The best solution is to have a moderate level of tipping that applies in most venues and to choose a few spots close to where you live where you grease the bartenders with fat tips and lock them down.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

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These businesses are going to get killed. Here's why.

Women are biologically only capable of recognizing Alpha males in group settings. So these women will only cater to the top 10 percent of men, ignoring or slighting all the other guys. It'll be like high school. And my feeling is that once the novelty wears off, men will go elsewhere for drinks.

Men on the other hand, are programmed to serve the needs of the many, not the needs of the 10 percent.

I believe in the concept of "situational Alphas," where -- for example -- the nerdy programmed is Alpha when he leads the meetings in his company and blows everyone away with brilliance. But in a bar setting, "Alpha" is determined by looks, money and height, and women are programmed to discriminate even beyond that. Cutting out 90 percent of your customer base is bad business.
 

booshala

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I've always theorized that there's an inverse correlation to female beauty and bartending skill... that is, the better looking a female bartender is, the shittier she'll make your drink. This isn't always the case, but I've found it to be loosely applicable to everyday life. Still, it's a business and in the end, I don't blame the clubs for doing what they're doing.

Especially since half the time people order dumb shit and don't even know what goes into it, or they do something equally asinine like ordering high end single malt with coke. I can never forget when one dude bought a round of Macallan 30 year for him and his three buddies... and then did them as shots out of the brandy snifters I poured them into... also tipped me $1 on a $542 bill as well which I thought was just special.
 

MrXY

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I like classic cocktails and women, especially young, hot women, are almost always total fails at making these. The best bartenders are 30+ and preferably 40+ guys.

Storytime

Two weeks ago I went into a restaurant here that likes to give off an upscale vibe but is actually a mediocre, overpriced tourist trap. Employs only young hot girls as bartenders. I usually just order beer in the lounge for that reason.

But this time when the girl asked me what I wanted I looked her in the eye and said "Do you know how to make a Manhattan?"

"oh sure!," she replied

"Okaaayyyy" I said skeptically. "Bourbon Manhattan then," I said and she went off to make it. I did not watch her as she made it.

I took the first sip and thought "hey this tastes kind of odd." But I kept drinking it, thinking maybe this place used some kind of weird cheap bourbon

When I was almost done, she came around and asked me if I wanted another

"What type of bourbon did you use to make this?" I asked.

"Uhh..... let me see" she said and went down the bar and started looking through the bottles

"Oh, here it is!" she exclaimed and pulled out what I recognized instantly from the shape and green color as a Scotch bottle. She looked at the label and said"It's called Clan MacGregor!"


:facepalm:




Never order a real cocktail from a hot girl bartender
 

Hotwheels

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Therapsid said:
slothpiece said:
Hotwheels said:
El Rey said:
I almost never tip a bartender. I don't care if you are a man or a woman, you are turning around and pushing a button/tap to pour some shit into a glass. You are usually moving no more than 6 feet to do this. The only bartenders I ever tip are at my go to spots for first dates with a girl, as they know me and hook it up each time. And even then it is $1 a drink at most.

But what do I know. I just always have gin and tonics, I go to places that aren't populated by all the club rats and going out rats, and I don't get that drunk - I prefer pussy to getting loaded.

Tipping well will help you lock down a bar.

Having a bar on lock is good as it's about like you own the place when you bring a broad in, and she will sense the fact the staff is catering to you above all the others.

Absolutely. I have been saved by bartenders of both genders for tipping well and I have also had hot girls approach me after watching me consume free shots with the bartender and having a good time. It's a preselector and the bartenders can have your back on occasions when you meet a dooface who wants to cause trouble at the bar (e.g., when you don't move from your spot at the bar because you want to hold onto that real estate because of its ROI on meeting females without having to cold approach). The preselector works better of course when its a hot female bartender.

I'll tip regardless out of courtesy, but I wonder about the ROI of tipping sometimes. If you travel a lot and frequently go to bars that you'll rarely if ever step foot in again, is it worth tipping? To get the bartender to do shots with you and have your back, you're going to have to be laying it on thick, at least at the beginning. Why bother if you're only in the city for the weekend?

Tipping becomes a never-ending arms race. If you're at a venue where people are tipping heavily, then a 25% or 30% tip won't cut it anymore, and it's a slippery slope to throwing away money.

The best solution is to have a moderate level of tipping that applies in most venues and to choose a few spots close to where you live where you grease the bartenders with fat tips and lock them down.

That should be fairly obvious.

I travel a lot and will lock down a place only if I am going to be there for a couple or more weeks.
 

Veloce

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I'm sure there are solid statistics supporting the OP, but I for one call B.S.

First of all, let's consider all the different kinds of bars out there. If it's some wings-and-beer joint where all the bartender has to do is pour beer from a tap, maybe make the occasional margarita with sweet-n-sour mix, who cares? The job behind the bar could be done by a monkey. Might as well put something back there with a pair of nice tits.

I typically go to higher end bars. Most bartenders there are guys, because high end bartender requires skill, and men are more skilled than women at everything. The bar managers are almost always certainly guys. It's still extremely male dominated and I don't see that changing.

Mid level bars and clubs? Okay sure, I can see it. Hot chicks attract beta herbs. You can't fault the girls for that.

If anything, this is just a kick in the ass for guys in the right direction:

Customers: Stop buying into the temptation of a hot chick you're not going to get. Learn game instead.
Bartenders: Up your game. The craft cocktail movement has never been bigger. Fuck your speedpour and learn to use a jigger quickly. Most bitches will never be able to keep up with you, so get into the higher echelon of cocktail bars.
 

Veloce

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MrXY said:
I like classic cocktails and women, especially young, hot women, are almost always total fails at making these. The best bartenders are 30+ and preferably 40+ guys.

Storytime

Two weeks ago I went into a restaurant here that likes to give off an upscale vibe but is actually a mediocre, overpriced tourist trap. Employs only young hot girls as bartenders. I usually just order beer in the lounge for that reason.

But this time when the girl asked me what I wanted I looked her in the eye and said "Do you know how to make a Manhattan?"

"oh sure!," she replied

"Okaaayyyy" I said skeptically. "Bourbon Manhattan then," I said and she went off to make it. I did not watch her as she made it.

I took the first sip and thought "hey this tastes kind of odd." But I kept drinking it, thinking maybe this place used some kind of weird cheap bourbon

When I was almost done, she came around and asked me if I wanted another

"What type of bourbon did you use to make this?" I asked.

"Uhh..... let me see" she said and went down the bar and started looking through the bottles

"Oh, here it is!" she exclaimed and pulled out what I recognized instantly from the shape and green color as a Scotch bottle. She looked at the label and said"It's called Clan MacGregor!"


:facepalm:




Never order a real cocktail from a hot girl bartender

Most guys can't make a proper manhattan either. I was interviewing candidates for a bar manager position a while back and asked this dude to make me a "Perfect Manhattan". That's the actual call name, with the word Perfect in front. A Perfect Manhattan indicates both sweet AND dry vermouth be used, and garnished with a Maraschino, or preferably an Amarena cherry. I highly recommend it.

Anyway this motherfucker SHOOK the manhattan. Never in a million goddamn years do you shake a Manhattan. This has happened several times, with male bartenders too.
 

Gator

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houston said:
Every female bartender I've had either fucks up my drink or makes them weak as hell. I'm not there to stare at your ass and tits like 95% of other guys. I just want a strong drink.

This is pretty much how I feel. The thing is, at bars that have more of a 20-something, party vibe, I stick to simple stuff like beer and G+T's. It's impossible to fuck up bottled beer. However, if I want a cocktail at a more low-key joint, I'd insist on a male bartender since I know they will be more qualified.
 

Lemmo

 
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thedude3737 said:
I'm sure there are solid statistics supporting the OP, but I for one call B.S.

First of all, let's consider all the different kinds of bars out there. If it's some wings-and-beer joint where all the bartender has to do is pour beer from a tap, maybe make the occasional margarita with sweet-n-sour mix, who cares? The job behind the bar could be done by a monkey. Might as well put something back there with a pair of nice tits.

I typically go to higher end bars. Most bartenders there are guys, because high end bartender requires skill, and men are more skilled than women at everything. The bar managers are almost always certainly guys. It's still extremely male dominated and I don't see that changing.

Mid level bars and clubs? Okay sure, I can see it. Hot chicks attract beta herbs. You can't fault the girls for that.

Yeah, the appropriate action depends on the type of bar. If it is a higher end place and some knowledge and skill is required (for example, a scotch bar), hire an experienced guy. But most of these jobs don't require much and hiring eye candy makes sense. It is one of those rare instances where women can add value.

A plus of Japan is that they are good at distinguishing between the types of roles and realize they have an obligation to provide eye candy in certain jobs (wouldn't be doable in the US since 5+ are in such short supply there).
 

guerrilla

 
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Lemmo said:
A plus of Japan is that they are good at distinguishing between the types of roles and realize they have an obligation to provide eye candy in certain jobs (wouldn't be doable in the US since 5+ are in such short supply there).

actually, in the US the chance that a 7+ working as either a bartender, waitress or some similar service-level job is probably at 90%. I call it "hot girl obligation-think". For some reason, hot girls think that the way they can best improve society and raise our standard of well-being is by being a bartender.

In reality, they love the validation and the party scene which is why most naturally gravitate towards eye-candy jobs, just like pretty girls in HS naturally gravitated toward being a cheerleader. Nothing's changed since High School, everything just happens in a bigger more complicated scale.
 

Lemmo

 
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guerrilla said:
Lemmo said:
A plus of Japan is that they are good at distinguishing between the types of roles and realize they have an obligation to provide eye candy in certain jobs (wouldn't be doable in the US since 5+ are in such short supply there).

actually, in the US the chance that a 7+ working as either a bartender, waitress or some similar service-level job is probably at 90%. I call it "hot girl obligation-think". For some reason, hot girls think that the way they can best improve society and raise our standard of well-being is by being a bartender.

In reality, they love the validation and the party scene which is why most naturally gravitate towards eye-candy jobs, just like pretty girls in HS naturally gravitated toward being a cheerleader. Nothing's changed since High School, everything just happens in a bigger more complicated scale.

Are you in the south or midwest? That is more likely to be the case there (although even there 20% seems more realistic than 90%). I spent years living on both coasts and found those areas to be one of the few places in the world where you can go weeks without coming across a 5+ during your daily life, especially in low level service jobs. You'd have to seek them out in higher end/trendier places and even there they are in short supply.
 

Vicious

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This is what a bartender should look like.
london-bartender_salvatore-the-maestro-calabrese.jpg
 

guerrilla

 
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Lemmo said:
guerrilla said:
Lemmo said:
A plus of Japan is that they are good at distinguishing between the types of roles and realize they have an obligation to provide eye candy in certain jobs (wouldn't be doable in the US since 5+ are in such short supply there).

actually, in the US the chance that a 7+ working as either a bartender, waitress or some similar service-level job is probably at 90%. I call it "hot girl obligation-think". For some reason, hot girls think that the way they can best improve society and raise our standard of well-being is by being a bartender.

In reality, they love the validation and the party scene which is why most naturally gravitate towards eye-candy jobs, just like pretty girls in HS naturally gravitated toward being a cheerleader. Nothing's changed since High School, everything just happens in a bigger more complicated scale.

Are you in the south or midwest? That is more likely to be the case there (although even there 20% seems more realistic than 90%). I spent years living on both coasts and found those areas to be one of the few places in the world where you can go weeks without coming across a 5+ during your daily life, especially in low level service jobs. You'd have to seek them out in higher end/trendier places and even there they are in short supply.

Yes. So where do the hot girls hide in the east and west coasts?
 

Lemmo

 
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guerrilla said:
Lemmo said:
guerrilla said:
Lemmo said:
A plus of Japan is that they are good at distinguishing between the types of roles and realize they have an obligation to provide eye candy in certain jobs (wouldn't be doable in the US since 5+ are in such short supply there).

actually, in the US the chance that a 7+ working as either a bartender, waitress or some similar service-level job is probably at 90%. I call it "hot girl obligation-think". For some reason, hot girls think that the way they can best improve society and raise our standard of well-being is by being a bartender.

In reality, they love the validation and the party scene which is why most naturally gravitate towards eye-candy jobs, just like pretty girls in HS naturally gravitated toward being a cheerleader. Nothing's changed since High School, everything just happens in a bigger more complicated scale.

Are you in the south or midwest? That is more likely to be the case there (although even there 20% seems more realistic than 90%). I spent years living on both coasts and found those areas to be one of the few places in the world where you can go weeks without coming across a 5+ during your daily life, especially in low level service jobs. You'd have to seek them out in higher end/trendier places and even there they are in short supply.

Yes. So where do the hot girls hide in the east and west coasts?

Rather than hiding, they simply aren't there. Kind of like looking for a gourmet meal in a dumpster. It is maybe 5-10% of the female population there that is even bangable (5+). Much better demographics in the midwest or south if you must be in the US.
 
JimNortonFan said:
Someone posted a phrase to the effect of "The postmodern era, when substance is out of style."

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...rtender_went_from_a_male_to_a_female_job.html

It's the free market, the bars can do whatever they want.

However, this article needs to be acknowledged by the glass ceiling crowd.

Middle aged skilled men losing jobs to unskilled good looking women.

Read this.
http://nymag.com/news/features/65238/index1.html

It explains a lot about the Vegas and New York bottle girl scene, bar tenders, VIP promoters. It is a good read.

It focuses on the story of Rachel Uchitel who was the VIP club promoter that set Tiger Woods up with girls. The whole fight on the morning he wrecked his car and the story hit the press was that the wife found out about what he was doing and went after him with a golf club.

But this story goes into the whole scene of VIP and bottle service, and how the "promoters" are really pimps, more or less. And the bottle girls are just a little further down the line, all are under pressure to pull high rollers into clubs. And really, Vegas has shifted from being a Gambling destination to a party destination. Revenue from gambling has dropped consistently as a percentage of revenue received in Las Vegas since 1992. And now it is about 42%. With the rest coming from hotels, restaurants, and clubs.

So this article explains the whole deal and this metamorphosis. This Rachel Uchitel woman had a deal with whatever hotel/disco, Elan, I think, for a salary of $250,000 and a percentage of tips for another $250,000. That's a lot of money to pay someone to pull people into a bar. And I think she had deals with a couple other places.

My opinion is that this bartender thing is just one more brick in the wall for men. I wrote this short story once about New York in 2030. Manhattan is a unique situation because Manhattan is surrounded by water, Hudson bay to the south, east river on the east side, Hudson River on the west, and the Harlem river separating Manhattan Island from the Bronx. The nature of it is that that you are on it or you are off it. An apartment just on the other side of the Brooklyn Bridge is millions less than the same apartment just on the other side of the bridge.

So in my story, oil production had hit the shits by 2030 and unemployment in America and Europe was like 40%. And Manhattan was the place to be because of the physical separation from the water, and all the rich people from everywhere, Asia, Europe, America, Latin America, moved there because it is urban, walkable, transit and taxis, it has a high concentration of wealthy people, culture. And because it could be secured. And they closed it off to anyone that didn't live there or work there. You could get on Manhattan Island if you didn't live there or work there, but you had to pay a toll that was prohibitive for most people. Residents and workers got a badge thing, like a scannable key card, to show the subway ticket booths or tolls booths at the bridges and you paid a resident or worker fee for a ticket on the trains or to enter the tolls and a way higher fee if you didn't have the badge. And cops would stop you if you didn't look the part and ask to see your badge or your toll receipt.

So basically Manhattan was all women and high earner men. Even in the fast food places, cute girls got jobs because they got a badge to be on Manhattan and they would hit the clubs, like in the linked story, and just throw themselves at any man just to have a place to crash, get drinks bought, and even eat, and maybe nail down a high status man. So every job in a store, in a bar, restaurant, fast food place, coffee shop, office, was held by bangeable women.

And that's what Vegas is becoming in the parts along the strip.

And New York is sort of that way today, not totally, but getting there. The big real estate trend in New York is buying buildings or townhomes with multiple apartments and turning them into one large residence. Or buying two or three smaller apartments and combining them. On real estate web pages once the price gets below $1,000,000 your ass is in Brooklyn. And $5 million doesn't buy shit. $10,000,000 gets a pretty normal looking 4,000 sq foot apartment. $15,000,000 buys something cool. And you are on page 8 on trulia.com before you get below $20,000,000. You get to $20,000,000 on page 1 in Los Angeles, definitely page 2.

It is the only place in the country where high dollar real estate is moving. I mean like 10 million dollar apartments sell quickly in New York and the same apartment in Miami Beach, Las Vegas, or Los Angeles has been sitting on the market for 3 years. So Manhattan has a better situation for nailing women than most other cities. They have better looking girls available in Miami or Los Angeles. But the numbers for men are better in New York. If you have money. Because men without money don't live there. They live in Queens.

So that's how I see the future. A slow growth, no growth economy that gets shocked into recession with every oil price hike, maybe not as bad as 2008-2010, but jobs get lost, and come back slower, never reaching the numbers of the employed before.

There about 130.8 million employed in America right now. It was 138 million Jan 2008. Today's level is the same number as were employed in 1998. There were 280 million people in the US in 1998 and there are 313 million right now. An increase of 33 million people with the same number of jobs as 15 years ago. And 7.2 million less than Jan 2008. It had dropped to 128 million in 2009.

And there are 4 million new entrants into the job market every year. Looking back at the number of births, I see that since 1990 there were about 4 million babies born every year and they are all 20 now and coming out into the job markets. So in 5 years there will 20 million more people, excluding any immigration. All entering an economy that struggles to add 2.4 million jobs a year with 200,000 jobs added in a month being cause for celebration. To get this country back to where it was in percentage of persons employed in Jan 2008, 6 million jobs a year would need to be added. And that is highly doubtful.

There are signs that oil production is leveling off at the current price level of $100 per barrel. If domestic oil production does not increase, then it does not offset the loss in international conventional production due to natural depletion which is dropping at an annual rate of between 2.5% and 4.5% depending on which data from which agency you accept.

So far since 2010 we have been able to increase production domestically to offset that drop with "Fracking". But the numbers of rigs drilling wells dropped at the end of 2012. So fewer wells are being drilled. Hydrofracking wells have decrease in production of 41% per year, so a well drilled that starts producing today will only be producing 41% of the original production after two years. So the overall oil available in the world decreases because domestic production, as high as it is, doesn't keep up with international depletion loss. And the price rises. And recession comes back. And jobs get lost.

Drilling picks up because the new price levels to which oil rises makes more drilling projects viable at the new price level. And some lost jobs get recovered, but not as many as were lost. And this occurs again until drilling projects at the new price level begin to slow down, domestic production levels off, and is not enough to offset international depletion, and we enter recession again. It is a cycle and the resulting graph of numbers employed will look stairs going down.

And the core of the economy does OK, but the periphery shrinks. Tech and core IT does OK, banking does OK, Telecommunications does somewhat OK, anything that is an export does OK. Europe struggles more than the US. They don't have growing oil production and are losing what they have. But anything to do with discretionary spending takes a hit as more of consumer's pay goes to gasoline. Government kind of struggles from losing tax revenue to job loss and sales tax loss.

Expect the cycle to go something like 3 years sideways, 1 year down. Three years with 1-3 million jobs added, one year with no growth or losses. And those 4 million kids keep coming out. So more and more of America starts looking like my New York story. People with money, people in management in core companies, and cute girls do OK. The rest suck shit and live on the fringe.

So as the core gets clogged with low growth, no job movement, nobody changing jobs for better jobs, and those attractive girls that would have found spots in the core, or in other discretionary consumption industries, they fan out into other areas and push out other workers.

Namely men. Like those bartenders.

So of those 4 million kids coming out, assume 2 million are girls. Of that two million, one million are fat, 500,000 are OK, and 500,000 are bangable. So in four years that's 2.0 million bangable girls hitting the job market with a high likelihood of finding work.

Using even this months very positive job numbers at a two month average of 200,000 per month, with 3 years of three years at 2.5 million jobs per year and 1 year with little growth or job loss, then 30% of all jobs added are going just to bangable young girls entering the job market, just for those girls that come on line for that 4 year time period, girls 18-22.

And then 70% for the rest of the people all 7 million that have no job now and the other 14 million young people that will enter the job market within 4 years, means 6 million jobs created for 21 million people to fight over. And in 4 more years after that, 2 million more bangeable girls, 14 million others continue to spill out into the labor market.

So it's gonna suck being a 20-30 year old beta. And even worse for an omega. Or a fattie. Or anyone over 45 that doesn't have it nailed down yet.
 

Veloce

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@MarkMinter

If anything, your projections make a good case for the service industry, as long as you are fucking good at what you do. Some might scoff at the idea of being a paid indentured servant (hey, as a chef I feel that way sometimes) but the fact remains; people need to eat. People love to eat, to wine and dine, to hit clubs. Corporate chefs make 6 figures. General Managers at high volume restaurants make 6 figures. These are jobs that usually involve some trade school, but not always. Many renowned chefs and restaurant managers have no formal training and simply worked their way up.

This is a common example I give to people considering cooking school: You can pay anywhere from 45k-75k for formal culinary training. At the end of it you get a diploma that NO-ONE gives a fuck about. In 12 years I have never once been asked for my diploma. And I've worked in a couple Michelin starred places.

Same thing with restaurant management. People care where you've worked, not what hospitality program you went through. So instead of spending 1-4 years at a trade school, just get a line level job as a busboy or prep cook. Go out and get yourself some literature, "Running a Restaurant for Dummies" or something along those lines. Pay the fuck attention and move your way up to a food runner, a server, bartender, floor captain for front-of-house. Prep cook, line cook, sous chef, chef de cuisine, executive chef for back-of-house. After 4 years you can definitely have enough experience to be a floor manager or chef making 65k a year, and instead of going to some bullshit school and paying through your ass, you were making money. If it's a high volume restaurant, back servers can make $150 per shift.

Night club management is similar. Start low, apply yourself, learn, be smart, read up, get paid. After years of this shit you're running a nightclub in Vegas making serious cash. No formal training required.

I see wealthy clientele all the time. I've run kitchens where our regulars are on the Forbes 500. It always amuses me to think about the people serving them, if they realize that the service staff, in their polished outfits, pressed shirts, clean aprons, are some of the most degenerate, dim-witted people on earth. But it pays well.

There are many benefits to being in the service industry. Anthony Bourdain hit this one on the head; you feel like you're part of an underground subculture, and in a way you are. You're apart from "civilized" humanity. We take care of our own. I've had meals for $150 that should have cost me $500.

All it requires is the right personality. It's stressful as hell, maybe one of those stressful industries out there. There's a lot at stake. Owners pay you to make sure that the rich fucks that walk through their doors are taken care of. If these high maintenance cocksuckers aren't happy by the time they leave it's your ass on the line. You have to be good at this, and you have to love it.

Fuck 4 year school, fuck college. Get a bartending or cooking gig and work your way up.
 
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