Mental illness amongst liberals

NarrowTruth

Chicken
Orthodox Inquirer
Yes, agree.

I think a large part of the unsoundness is the past 1000 years of history since the schism and especially since the Enlightenment. Outside of the church, it's almost impossible not to inherit a belief system that has been mostly shaped by the devil in order to separate us from Jesus.
Nailed it.
 

Adrian

 
Banned
Orthodox Catechumen
The first part of this is a bit self-flagelatory but it warms up and makes some very good points:

"This external locus of control has recently manifested itself in victimhood culture - the Marxist belief that one is a perpetual victim of omnipotent but invisible power structures, from which only the same Marxist authorities can rescue such victim groups. What is less well known is a recent paper which found that those who exhibit these ‘virtuous victimhood’ behaviours were more likely to have ‘dark’ personality traits, including narcissism (Ok et al., 2020). Twenge, Zhang & Im (2004) explain the contradiction between low self-esteem and narcissism in terms of locus of control; the pathological liberal likely believes that, when something good happens in their life, it was their achievement; when something bad happens, they are the victim of oppression."

Something anyone who's dealt with my ex liberals will be all too familiar with

But how to reconcile this:

"The second determinant of pathological liberalism is extreme emotionality and empathy. Liberals tend to be more empathetic (Hirsh et al., 2010), and more agreeable in general (Schoen & Schumann, 2007; Vecchione et al., 2011); they are also more likely to reject group loyalty (see Haidt, 2012) and, as discussed, are less prejudiced towards 'out-groups'.

I think all of these points are myths. Anyone who has ever tried, calmly, to put a differing view across to a liberal will know that they get belligerent and theratened very quickly; their world-view is intimately tied up with their sense of reality - it's a house of cards they won't dare to examine

And:

"From a neurobiological perspective, political liberalism has been linked to activity in the part of the brain that deals with interpersonal trust (Belfi, Koscik & Tranel, 2015). Bringing this all together, a study of Twitter users found that those following Republicans used more words emphasising group membership (such as in-group identity, national identity, and religion), while those following Democrats used more emotional language (e.g., feelings, anxiety, positive emotions, and expletives; Sylwester & Purver, 2015)."

I think the republican groups are the ones showing too much trust and not being as conscious of the battleground as they could be to avoid defeat. However, they mainly just wish to be left alone to live their lives withour tyrannical government, raise a family and go to church. They don't seem to have a plan, as far as I can tell, to take over the world through slaughtering millions in wars they create to make money and then to eventually enslave mankind they class as cattle

There's another group never mentioned in this piece, disproportionately represented as influencers on Twitter (and all other Big tech platforms) and on the left, and who also happen to exert control in academia, hollywood and the publishing industry - all spaces very hostile towards right wing opinions - and, going against the findings of these surveys, this group also places a very high emphasises on group membership (such as in-group identity) ... but if anyone were to point this out they would be labelled anti-semitic and peddlers of hate speech

All of these pieces that fail to mention the elephant in the room are a part of the problem, they're propping up the system that creates the issues they are trying to address and are lying by omission to their gullible, ill-informed readership
 

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
There are still ardent feminists, very strident ones. They have been tricked into believing that feminism was all about women and the "empowerment" of women. The gullible fools had no idea that feminism is all about promoting an agenda (I'm not really sure it's a Marxist agenda - I believe that Marxism, like feminism, is just another tool used by those who seek to control. The Marxist idiots will be brushed aside as soon as they are no longer needed, just like what's being done to traditional feminists now). However, in the meantime, their are dozens of different branches of feminism, it must require so much cognitive dissonance to remain referring to oneself as a "feminist". Today men are running rampant over women in sports, the worst result so far was a fractured skull, but chances are that a death will occur soon if men continue to fight women in sanctioned sports. The majority of feminists applaud this, after all, feminism is about tolerance.
Feminism is Marxism with tits, no matter what the form. The ones who thought it would end where they wanted it to end were either lying to themselves or incredibly naive, but either way it's hard to have sympathy for them. Take a look at the "transitioned" NCAA and Ivy League swimmer taking the female swim team to the cleaners at every meet. The women on that team feel cheated, but I bet they and their mothers thought Title XI was a great thing, even as it eviscerated mens collegiate wrestling in the process. Sorry, ladies, you made this bed, you can lie in it.


As for whether liberalism causes mental illness, Limbaugh used to say that it does but later in life corrected himself when he realized liberal politics simply attracts people more likely to have mental problems. The data put by another poster back this up - the extreme leftist men are overwhelmingly suffering from mental problems, many of which are self inflicted because of their lack of belief in anything but the current thing.

G.K. Chesterton said it best - people who do not believe in God will find something to believe in. We are on about the fourth or fifth decade of an eviscerated Catholic church and completely watered down protestant churches. What's left are blank slate, rudderless and duped "white" people who accept this idiotic racial designation as an identity and run with it in one direction or another - becoming either white nationalists or constantly self-flagellating leftist cucks like that douchebag in the twitter post earlier in the thread.

I just wonder (((how))) this all happened.... hm.....
 

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SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
Nailed it.
Corollaries to that would be:

Outside of the family and guided by a moral father, it is almost impossible for a son not to be come a substance user, a homosexual, a criminal - or some combination of the three.

and....

Outside of the family and guided by a moral father, it is almost impossible for a daughter not to be come a substance user, very promiscuous, a lesbian - or some combination of the three.
 

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
A moment of prayer please.
If wee see people vehemently denying biology and natural development of the human organism, then can we consider them humans at all? Because this doesn't sound like something that a human would say. Is this a propaganda agent, or a computer generated face with a text file (software algorithm), or even a real non-human individual who uses "Twitter Web App"? This is not mental illness, this is intentional actions.
 
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M'bare

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Gold Member
Besides attacks from demons, satan and those who follow them -- truly evil, I think a large portion of Leftist and their mindset seeps in from the outside, and often proceeded by abuse.

While indoctrination and propaganda can be strong and work, I think the most influential thing done to would-be innocent people, people who otherwise wouldn't become a leftist, is a dysfunctional upbringing.

What I've seen time and time again are the broken who this message is easier to work on, were broken as children from mental, physical and sexual abuse. Or maybe a combo of these.

If you could look into the back history of nearly every gay and trans person too, you'd likely find sexual abuse.

We've seen the stories of those who were ultra left, but then broke free from it, like breaking free from a demonic grip. Praise to Christ for that. So anything is possible with Christ as we know.

What does that mean for us? Seek to foster a world and environment the best we can to reduce abuse and advocate for principles of raising children that are grounded in morals, ethics, biblical teachings, peaceful and instructive, discipline without abuse, etc. These just naming a few of course. Then protect them from evil doers. The deviants and subversives while preparing them for a world full of them.

I do think we'd have far less of what we're seeing now though if future generations of kids can live in a stable household and with the principles mentioned above.

Do whatever we can to protect the most innocent before us.
 

MeaningfulMan

Woodpecker
Catholic
This isn’t meant to be derogatory or to make light of mental illness, something that many of us have experienced in our lives, but one thing I have definitely noticed over the years is something of a correlation between those highly susceptible to mental health issues and their political leanings; there seems to be a high prevalence of mental health problems amongst the left, and noticeably so in contrast to the right

I’ve not considered it closely enough to say if some mental illness can in some way caused by the political worldview, and perhaps the associated literature, or whether those with a natural predisposition for mental illness are for some reason, eg hyper sensitivity, inclined towards socialism, but the correlation, at least anecdotally, is there

Has anyone looked into this?

I think it’s no coincidence for example, that the left can’t meme; you need a sense of humour to do this. Good humour indicates good mental health and clear thinking – it’s the opposite of paranoia. I think this ability on the right which is weirdly absent in the left highlights a fundamental difference in personality types
I know a progressive liberal who takes anti-anxiety medication
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
Besides attacks from demons, satan and those who follow them -- truly evil, I think a large portion of Leftist and their mindset seeps in from the outside, and often proceeded by abuse.

While indoctrination and propaganda can be strong and work, I think the most influential thing done to would-be innocent people, people who otherwise wouldn't become a leftist, is a dysfunctional upbringing.

What I've seen time and time again are the broken who this message is easier to work on, were broken as children from mental, physical and sexual abuse. Or maybe a combo of these.

If you could look into the back history of nearly every gay and trans person too, you'd likely find sexual abuse.

We've seen the stories of those who were ultra left, but then broke free from it, like breaking free from a demonic grip. Praise to Christ for that. So anything is possible with Christ as we know.

What does that mean for us? Seek to foster a world and environment the best we can to reduce abuse and advocate for principles of raising children that are grounded in morals, ethics, biblical teachings, peaceful and instructive, discipline without abuse, etc. These just naming a few of course. Then protect them from evil doers. The deviants and subversives while preparing them for a world full of them.

I do think we'd have far less of what we're seeing now though if future generations of kids can live in a stable household and with the principles mentioned above.

Do whatever we can to protect the most innocent before us.

You're spot on with this. It really comes down to the upbringing and whether it was functional or dysfunctional. What troubles me is that this is painfully obvious to everyone, including the leftists, who, when their guard is down will trace all of their issues back to their upbringing.

The boomer generation has to answer for this because they initiated the mass divorce trend. I saw it first hand when I grew up. It was like a dam broke. All of a sudden everyone got divorced. Divorce is the single biggest social issue that has impacted my generation. I'm Gen X.

What I loathe about the left is that in one instance, they'll admit its because of their bad upbringing, but, when they're not trying to garner sympathy and someone proposes that we ought to go to the root of the problem and re-focus our social conventions and institutions to encourage functional families, they become hysterical. Bill Cosby may be a rapist, but, he was outspoken in his insistence that the Black community needs to restore the family. His pleads were met with contempt, which is very sad.

This mentality is similar to other seemingly unrelated aspects of our contemporary culture. For instance, modern "medicine" treats the symptoms versus the causes. Similarly, the left treats and blames the problems on the symptoms. For instance, high black male incarceration rates are treated at the surface and the root of the problem, dysfunctional family/upbringing, is ignored. In fact, such suggestions are usually met with anger.

The explanation for such behavior is even worse. Its irrational to condone and even promote the conditions that are causing your personal problems. So, what gives? Surely, we have the element common to addicts that embrace self-destructive behaviors willingly. But, there's more to this. Insisting that we focus on the family means individuals must account for their improprieties, which 9/10 times mean restricting their unrestrained sexual desires. Sex comes before their kids. Sex is the highest of all things in this regrettable status quo. How can it not be? Abortion is a perfect example. Is it wrong to kill a child, especially your own? Definitely. All the mental gymnastics that pro-choice people engage in is, ultimately, their way of justifying their unrestrained sex life. Choosing infidelity over monogamy is choosing unrestrained sex. The common thread here is that sex is more important than children.
 

M'bare

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Gold Member
You're spot on with this. It really comes down to the upbringing and whether it was functional or dysfunctional. What troubles me is that this is painfully obvious to everyone, including the leftists, who, when their guard is down will trace all of their issues back to their upbringing.

The boomer generation has to answer for this because they initiated the mass divorce trend. I saw it first hand when I grew up. It was like a dam broke. All of a sudden everyone got divorced. Divorce is the single biggest social issue that has impacted my generation. I'm Gen X.

What I loathe about the left is that in one instance, they'll admit its because of their bad upbringing, but, when they're not trying to garner sympathy and someone proposes that we ought to go to the root of the problem and re-focus our social conventions and institutions to encourage functional families, they become hysterical. Bill Cosby may be a rapist, but, he was outspoken in his insistence that the Black community needs to restore the family. His pleads were met with contempt, which is very sad.

This mentality is similar to other seemingly unrelated aspects of our contemporary culture. For instance, modern "medicine" treats the symptoms versus the causes. Similarly, the left treats and blames the problems on the symptoms. For instance, high black male incarceration rates are treated at the surface and the root of the problem, dysfunctional family/upbringing, is ignored. In fact, such suggestions are usually met with anger.

The explanation for such behavior is even worse. Its irrational to condone and even promote the conditions that are causing your personal problems. So, what gives? Surely, we have the element common to addicts that embrace self-destructive behaviors willingly. But, there's more to this. Insisting that we focus on the family means individuals must account for their improprieties, which 9/10 times mean restricting their unrestrained sexual desires. Sex comes before their kids. Sex is the highest of all things in this regrettable status quo. How can it not be? Abortion is a perfect example. Is it wrong to kill a child, especially your own? Definitely. All the mental gymnastics that pro-choice people engage in is, ultimately, their way of justifying their unrestrained sex life. Choosing infidelity over monogamy is choosing unrestrained sex. The common thread here is that sex is more important than children.

Something I may add:

Not every abused and dysfunctional person is, or becomes a leftist. I know of plenty of patriots too who had really bad upbringings. But I would almost be willing to bet nearly every hardcore leftist we see, Antifa, SJWs, and the like had dysfunctional upbringings. Some may be rich kids, but one never knows what kind of emotional abuse they had growing up.

I think the left knows this. I think they want the cycle to continue because it makes new recruits to their ideology. It's why they've always wanted to the kids minds. If they can't create dysfunctional families through propaganda, welfare state dis-incentivizing pair bonding and marriage, then they want their minds in schools to make them turn on their parents.


I am not an apologist for them however. I just wanted to be clear.
Even knowing many of these people likely had really horrific upbringings, which is a huge reason I think they want to tear down society as a way to get back at that society -- I do still hold their actions accountable.

I loathe them actually. They are our enemy, or at the least agents of our enemy. I take pity on them, but also give them agency. Don't underestimate them.

For those wondering where I get some of my data and thoughts...

Due to my line of work I have a window into the details of thousands of people's past family history/upbringing and details when they were younger.

While I hold these people accountable, I can't help but notice the absolute awful deck of cards many were handed. These are people who when they get around their friends or peers act somewhat normal, smiling and laughing. But they're broken. Really heart wrenching stories. It makes me grateful of how I grew up.

I think when the Bible talks about loving ones enemy, it's these types of people that perhaps it's referring to. They need our prayers, and I hope someday they will repent and come to Christ. I hope and pray the Holy Spirit convicts them. It's a hard thing to hold at the same time, and not easy at all.

As an aside:
I'm also reminded of passages like "give unto Caesar..." However there comes a time for righteous indignation like when Jesus flips the tables over in front of the Pharisees. At a point it becomes too much and tyrannical. We must resist that. We should have “flipped tables over” a long time ago actually. But there's a time and place for everything. Or maybe it's not up to us, but do our part and Christ will return to flip tables so to speak.

It’s the same with turning the other cheek. That doesn’t mean be a doormat for awful and evil people. It just means to forgive, but you forgive when the other person acknowledges the wrong. That’s how reciprocity works. Without it you simply have an abusive and manipulated “relationship.” I don't think Jesus would ever advocate for that, and from my biblical understanding it's not part of it as a whole.

Many in the church and Left use a few verses and our principles against us as Alinsky detailed out.


If anyone has any corrections on some of my points, please let me know.

Christ be with you all,
M'bare
 

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
Bad fathers create mentally ill daughters, who then become radicalized. It all comes back to the failure of men.
Men who think like women, yes.
On a related note, it's easy to focus too much on men:
 
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Towgunner

Kingfisher
Mental illness is becoming a "crutch". There's a perverse incentive structure that goes along with mental illness. It becomes a "crutch", or, something an individual can lean on. Mental illness both "explains" and also excuses an individual's shortcomings. Nobody is perfect, we all know that but, accurate as that is, there are value distributions and unfortunately, some people are better than others. This is intolerable to individuals on the wrong side of the value distribution, because, there's seemingly nothing they can really do to elevate themselves. This is also even more intolerable if the individual has been immersed in a "trophy for everyone" education, because, now there's a sense of entitlement and expectation. Once shattered by the real world, people will do anything to get it back. Of course, there are many things people can do to elevate themselves, such as trying hard. But, trying hard requires sacrifice and work and that's not appealing, even though it's the only way. Mental illness is a great antidote, as it were, to these problems. Whatever their shortcomings may be, if they can be blamed on their "mental illness" then they can write it off. Its how they live with themselves - I'm really not a pathetic individual, I have a mental illness, you see, or illnesses, therefore, that's why I'm not measuring up. An individual is obese and refuses to go to the gym? Mental illness is to blame and not their lack of grit or motivation.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
This is intolerable to individuals on the wrong side of the value distribution, because, there's seemingly nothing they can really do to elevate themselves.
I disagree. There are things they can do, such as asking for help from people on the right side of the value distribution to kind of get started. I think people generally understand this, but I think it has gotten to the point where we're now seeing those people demand that society force people to give them accommodation, and instead of accepting that people would out of the goodness of their hearts offer them some help that may not necessarily be the exact kind of accommodation they want or envisioned.

It's like a big man offering to spot for a new guest at the gym. The big guy is not going to do what the newbie was expecting - he was expecting some kind of easier route - but the big guy's advice comes from a place of realizing that what the newbie wants is going to hurt, it's going to leave him feeling very sore and like he can only just manage to crawl out of the gym. It's going to be work on the newbie's part too. But the inversion of this analogy is when the weak guy gets the government to basically force the big guy to serve him pizza while he sits on an exercise bike at the lowest setting. It's like government mandated Planet Fitness, but for moral muscles.
 
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