#Metalgate is here

[LeBeau]

But yet, I still listen to metal. Why? Because you don't need to be "accepted" by the community to like something. It's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Feminists preach things about culture that doesn't accept or promote female inclusion, but if they really wanted to join, why would it matter? If they really like metal music, go to concerts and enjoy yourself and you'll have a good time.

Great post.

An important part of growing as a red pill man is removing your ego from your interests.

Similar to rolling out solo, too many guys are afraid to go check out a show on their own if they don't have buddies with them or if they feel like they might be judged for it.

Or even worse, they let particular scenes define their lives and just become a caricature.

This is another reason why I would dissuade guys from trying to get into certain subcultures just for girls. It's not congruent to begin with, and you should be pursuing something you're genuinely interested in.

Once women see that passion, then they can become more intrigued as a bonus, but you should be enjoying whatever you do in the first place regardless of female attention.

 

[El Chinito loco]

AB:

You're probably right. It's starting to look more and more to me that Henry Rollins is some sort of a SJW. Appearances are deceiving. In that video clip of him someone posted here, he was going off about fat chicks, dipshit women, whatever. So I just assumed he hated the whole feminist scene.

I'm just disappointed. I had seen some interviews of him where he seemed to be a red pill guy. Seems I was mistaken.

Henry Rollins has always been a proto-hipster. He puts on airs as being a man's man but he's just another poetry spouting pretentious musician. He rode the Blackflag gravy train and the mainstream accolades given to him for being in the punk scene. I think he's an outright fraud in a lot of ways. I've always thought his image was very manufactured for public consumption and to try and showcase how edgy he is. His whole spoken word tour thing is very try hard proto-hipster bullshit.

 

[AnonymousBosch]

Henry Rollins has always been a proto-hipster. He puts on airs as being a man's man but he's just another poetry spouting pretentious musician. He rode the Blackflag gravy train and the mainstream accolades given to him for being in the punk scene. I think he's an outright fraud in a lot of ways. I've always thought his image was very manufactured for public consumption and to try and showcase how edgy he is. His whole spoken word tour thing is very try hard proto-hipster bullshit.

Yeah, you see it too. This is a man constantly bragging about his consumption of great works of literature, poetry and music whilst shaming others for their low taste. Strangely, none of this high art consumption seems to have influenced his own writing, storytelling or music into anything beyond juvenilia.

This results in lyrics like this:

hard times are gettin' harder, the liars are acting strong
you better get a grip on yourself or you won't be around too long

This is high intelligence? I'll point to something like 'A Man and A Woman' as sounding like a 4Chan Edgelord.

I admire his work ethic - I can't sit still either - but, damn, I just wish the quality of art produced matched the rhetoric.

Tumblr or Rollins?

 

[Benoit]

Yeah, you see it too. This is a man constantly bragging about his consumption of great works of literature, poetry and music whilst shaming others for their low taste. Strangely, none of this high art consumption seems to have influenced his own writing, storytelling or music into anything beyond juvenilia.

I admire his work ethic - I can't sit still either - but, damn, I just wish the quality of art produced matched the rhetoric.

Rollins is definitely an odd one. He's full of anger and passion, but his politics are very soft. He does have excellent storytelling skills, and his spoken-word performances are very funny and engaging. Even his books are enjoyable if you like reading the diaries of a depressed man who hates crowds but is a minor celebrity.

A 'traumatic' childhood, spending his formative years on the edges of society in punk bands, and seeing his best friend shot to death in front of him... All these combined created a rootless being who's willing to take a stand against society but deeply wants to be wanted.

He's also from the same place as the Straight Edge types - delighting in the denial of pleasurable excesses is something that only damaged people would invent. Superficially it may resemble stoicism, but the overwhelming smugness and superiority exhibited by its adherents is a vice far worse than those they rail against.

 

[AnonymousBosch]

A 'traumatic' childhood, spending his formative years on the edges of society in punk bands, and seeing his best friend shot to death in front of him... All these combined created a rootless being who's willing to take a stand against society but deeply wants to be wanted.

I've guarantee you my childhood was just as rough as Rollins', death included. We're very similar guys - highly-driven, restless and physical - and a lot of his self-motivation spiels are solid advice, but our outlooks vastly differ on the world and our relation to it. Why is that?

He carries the SJW / Degenerate idea that you're permanently-defined and scarred by your traumas, rather than developing healthy coping skills that let you carry the burden without collapsing from despair or developing anti-social personality disorders, such as his elitist / intellectual posturing barely masking his self-loathing. For a guy who travels and claims to have met more people than anyone he knows, he has a love of stereotyping others when it suits his politics.

My grandmother saw more violent death during the war years than Rollins, and was a charming woman who loved life, community and family. She saw the worst of what people were capable of, yet continued to believe in their best.

Trauma doesn't need to scar and define you. True strength is taking the violent blows without letting them poison your soul, and remaining open to the possibility of goodness in other people. This is the war I'm constantly fighting, and there's been a shift in wider culture over the last 15 years towards suspicious, anti-social pessimism, which is making positivity a harder state to remain in. To be honest, I sometimes think this board is a bad influence on me.

I'd guess Rollins was mentally-damaged before Joe Cole was shot. He strikes me as someone who uses the size iron gives you to shield himself from contact with other people. Coupled with his cheerleading for feminism whilst being uninterested in emotionally-connecting with a women; the use of weights as protection and the hatred of alpha male masculinity; and I'd suspect you're looking at a guy who was a sexually-abused child, which would explain the relentless gay cheerleading, because if gay is positive and normalised, his trauma isn't shameful, particularly as some abused men who consider themselves as being heterosexual fall into a pattern of trying to recreate the phantom of their abuse, never identifying it as 'gay' sex.

The human mind is a fascinating, terrible thing.

 

[Days of Broken Arrows]

A 'traumatic' childhood, spending his formative years on the edges of society in punk bands, and seeing his best friend shot to death in front of him... All these combined created a rootless being who's willing to take a stand against society but deeply wants to be wanted.

I've guarantee you my childhood was just as rough as Rollins', death included. We're very similar guys - highly-driven, restless and physical - and a lot of his self-motivation spiels are solid advice, but our outlooks vastly differ on the world and our relation to it. Why is that?

He carries the SJW / Degenerate idea that you're permanently-defined and scarred by your traumas, rather than developing healthy coping skills that let you carry the burden without collapsing from despair or developing anti-social personality disorders, such as his elitist / intellectual posturing barely masking his self-loathing. For a guy who travels and claims to have met more people than anyone he knows, he has a love of stereotyping others when it suits his politics.

My grandmother saw more violent death during the war years than Rollins, and was a charming woman who loved life, community and family. She saw the worst of what people were capable of, yet continued to believe in their best.

Trauma doesn't need to scar and define you. True strength is taking the violent blows without letting them poison your soul, and remaining open to the possibility of goodness in other people. This is the war I'm constantly fighting, and there's been a shift in wider culture over the last 15 years towards suspicious, anti-social pessimism, which is making positivity a harder state to remain in. To be honest, I sometimes think this board is a bad influence on me.

I'd guess Rollins was mentally-damaged before Joe Cole was shot. He strikes me as someone who uses the size iron gives you to shield himself from contact with other people. Coupled with his cheerleading for feminism whilst being uninterested in emotionally-connecting with a women; the use of weights as protection and the hatred of alpha male masculinity; and I'd suspect you're looking at a guy who was a sexually-abused child, which would explain the relentless gay cheerleading, because if gay is positive and normalised, his trauma isn't shameful, particularly as some abused men who consider themselves as being heterosexual fall into a pattern of trying to recreate the phantom of their abuse, never identifying it as 'gay' sex.

The human mind is a fascinating, terrible thing.

I've interviewed Rollins. A complex character. He can be mind-boggling intellectual one minute, then rant like an eighth grader about the sexual things he'd like to do to Ann Coulter the next.

The only person I've ever met like him is my cousin, who is a professor of theology and so opinionated the family clears out when he enters a room. I like guys like these. They make me seem less extreme. But I digress.

One big reason Rollins is a "gay cheerleader" is because being gay meant something totally different to his generation when he was a teen. Gays were the outcasts and underdogs and received regular hate and bullying -- which school officials and cops basically laughed away.

I'm around ten years younger than him, but I actually remember a college administrator bragging to me he was going to fire a "flamer" (slang for a gay guy), because the guy was gay. Problem was, the "flamer" was a competent, decent guy who bothered no one. What was the point of this?

Watching innocent people go about their business and catch hell is not pleasant. But that's what it was like then with gays. So if you were an outsider (i.e. punk rocker or artist) and/or had any sense of decency, you sided with the gays.

Two or three decades on, America's demographics, culture, and laws have drastically changed to the point where this situation is almost reversed. But it was a different world when we both came of age. And just like my grandmother continued to think it was still 1956 and Italian-Americans were "oppressed," a lot of Rollins' generation still thinks it's still 1986 and America treats gays like it did then.

 

[Wreckingball]

Dear Mille, can you please be less agressive and brutal? :lol:

They DID become heaps less aggressive and brutal though. Just compare their 90's records to their early stuff.

They followed 90's trends and those albums suck. They have manned up again and are back to venom spitting teutonic thrash metal.

 

[Wreckingball]

A 'traumatic' childhood, spending his formative years on the edges of society in punk bands, and seeing his best friend shot to death in front of him... All these combined created a rootless being who's willing to take a stand against society but deeply wants to be wanted.

I've guarantee you my childhood was just as rough as Rollins', death included. We're very similar guys - highly-driven, restless and physical - and a lot of his self-motivation spiels are solid advice, but our outlooks vastly differ on the world and our relation to it. Why is that?

He carries the SJW / Degenerate idea that you're permanently-defined and scarred by your traumas, rather than developing healthy coping skills that let you carry the burden without collapsing from despair or developing anti-social personality disorders, such as his elitist / intellectual posturing barely masking his self-loathing. For a guy who travels and claims to have met more people than anyone he knows, he has a love of stereotyping others when it suits his politics.

My grandmother saw more violent death during the war years than Rollins, and was a charming woman who loved life, community and family. She saw the worst of what people were capable of, yet continued to believe in their best.

Trauma doesn't need to scar and define you. True strength is taking the violent blows without letting them poison your soul, and remaining open to the possibility of goodness in other people. This is the war I'm constantly fighting, and there's been a shift in wider culture over the last 15 years towards suspicious, anti-social pessimism, which is making positivity a harder state to remain in. To be honest, I sometimes think this board is a bad influence on me.

I'd guess Rollins was mentally-damaged before Joe Cole was shot. He strikes me as someone who uses the size iron gives you to shield himself from contact with other people. Coupled with his cheerleading for feminism whilst being uninterested in emotionally-connecting with a women; the use of weights as protection and the hatred of alpha male masculinity; and I'd suspect you're looking at a guy who was a sexually-abused child, which would explain the relentless gay cheerleading, because if gay is positive and normalised, his trauma isn't shameful, particularly as some abused men who consider themselves as being heterosexual fall into a pattern of trying to recreate the phantom of their abuse, never identifying it as 'gay' sex.

The human mind is a fascinating, terrible thing.

I've interviewed Rollins. A complex character. He can be mind-boggling intellectual one minute, then rant like an eighth grader about the sexual things he'd like to do to Ann Coulter the next.

The only person I've ever met like him is my cousin, who is a professor of theology and so opinionated the family clears out when he enters a room. I like guys like these. They make me seem less extreme. But I digress.

One big reason Rollins is a "gay cheerleader" is because being gay meant something totally different to his generation when he was a teen. Gays were the outcasts and underdogs and received regular hate and bullying -- which school officials and cops basically laughed away.

I'm around ten years younger than him, but I actually remember a college administrator bragging to me he was going to fire a "flamer" (slang for a gay guy), because the guy was gay. Problem was, the "flamer" was a competent, decent guy who bothered no one. What was the point of this?

Watching innocent people go about their business and catch hell is not pleasant. But that's what it was like then with gays. So if you were an outsider (i.e. punk rocker or artist) and/or had any sense of decency, you sided with the gays.

Two or three decades on, America's demographics, culture, and laws have drastically changed to the point where this situation is almost reversed. But it was a different world when we both came of age. And just like my grandmother continued to think it was still 1956 and Italian-Americans were "oppressed," a lot of Rollins' generation still thinks it's still 1986 and America treats gays like it did then.

There is a difference between gays and faggots.
Gays just like other guys and they don't blabber about it.
Faggots are always blabbering about how they are so fucking gay. Saying they are very much proud of taking it up the ass.
I have no "problems" with gays. I do have "a problem" faggots.


Also as far as i have seen this metalgate thing is targeting mainly American "heavymetal" bands. And several of these "heavymetal" bands I would not consider them heavy metal. Heavy as in hard sound yes, but not metal (IMO ofcourse).
The problem as I see, is that these targeted bands focus on a much younger and easily impressed demographic. Older guys would not give a shit about this, I don't really know how younger dudes will react.

 

[Andy_B]

I could easily see this just being trolling for clickbait revenue.

 

[enderilluminatus]

Thanks to this thread I have a new metal album I really like!

"Fertile Green" and "King of Days" are incredible.