"MGTOW''

[The Black Knight]

^ Just remember though, you're going to die one day anyway. When you do, all that will be left of you is your progeny. Worth keeping that in perspective.

Right. Hence why I said I'm focused on the long-game. Long-game = successfully building a great family unit. A bastard kid with a vindictive baby mama that forces me via the government to give her 25-35% of my income for two decades doesn't help that goal.

Being selective who you sleep with isn't MGTOW. It's called having standards and being smart.

The only way to react I believe is to work around the fringes of the system to find women who aren't completely integrated into the main system.

That or you go to a place where the system is less fucked up and doesn't reward women who engage in vindictive behavior. Again, even if a woman is good now, you have little protection if she decides to flip down the line and has an Eat, Pray, Fuck epiphany and take you to the cleaners. This happens with some frequency with guys who bring back foreign women to the US; water takes shape of its container and all that jazz. You CAN do pre-nups/post-nups and limit your sexual activity to states with reasonable child support laws but these aren't bullet proof solutions; only layers of protection. In the end though to be honest, that's probably what I'll do: move to the right state and get a ironclad pre-nup and post-nup and just roll the dice. That way, I can mitigate most of the fallout.

Real bullet-proof solutions that should exist and would restore some of men's leverage for casual banging would be:

1. 100% effective male birth control
2. Two-party consent requirement to bring a pregnancy to term
3. Hard universal low caps across all states on child support
4. No child support for illegitimate/out of wedlock children.

In America, we have none of the aforementioned. And because of that, we incentivize women to engage in vindictive behavior at the expense of men. A lot guys will roll the dice casually banging hoes and nothing will ever happen to them but it only takes one bad break to derail things big league. It would be nice if one could casually bang same hoes for fun with minimal risk but the stakes are too high now in the event something goes sideways. It's a good thing ultimately since it reinforces actions that contribute to targeting only high quality chicks anyway.

 

[debeguiled]

Nobody identifying as a "MGTOW" has jack shit on guys like that. While their "going their own way" is usually limited to giving up on trying to get laid, guys like this one truly have done so and have checked out of the system entirely.

Plus, if you can truly get it together enough to live off grid like that, there is a subset of women who would be happy to join you. Maybe not 10's, but at least they know how to pluck a chicken.

 

[RexImperator]

Article in The Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...sleep-women-manosphere-meninist-a7330276.html

Inside the world of men who've sworn never to sleep with women again

 

[dies irae]

If there's anything that will lead to the collapse of western civilization, it's this.

Private Man's comment on the other thread is spot on:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58697-post-1412145.html#pid1412145

Since all women are attracted to the top men, in any society there will always be a large group of men that can't get women.

There has to be systems to keep these men from revolting because they are still men and they will want women.

Islam prevented this revolt by promising these men young virgins after life.

Western civilization successfully implemented monogamy so that these men got some pussy without needing to die and go to heaven.

While the muslim men who didn't get pussy in this life didn't revolt, they spent their time worshipping god and praying in the hopes of getting pussy after they die and go to heaven.

On the other hand, monogamy allowed the lesser civilized men to have some pussy in real life, so these men stayed productive.

That's why western civilization overpowered islamic empires.

Beta males produced and the system thrived.

Now, the values that made western civilization dominate the world is thrown out of the window. So, these men started outing themselves from the work force.

Without these men doing the hard work, western civilization will collapse.

 

[N°6]

Probably the most eye-opening 'red pill' that I swallowed was that monogamy was actually to the benefit of the vast majority of men and that despite the boom in the supply of sex, it distribution avenues are towards men in the top fifth of society, causing higher levels of involuntary celibacy elsewhere.

Democracy boasts that it gives "one man, one vote" but before the democratic era, the vast majority of men operated in a system of "one man, one wife". It seems therefore that men have been given spurious democratic rights but had their demographic rights removed (i.e. cuckoldry). This leads to childless men supporting unknown women's abortions and costs to bring up bastards through a welfare state that causes women to be net consumers of men's productive labour.