"MGTOW''

[King Solomon]

as we know, MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way.

Thing is, "their own way" could be anything. Could be fishing with his buddies. Could be traveling. Could be whoring. Could be porn and anime. Could be going hobo and riding the rails. Could be picking up chicks and then dropping them on their ass. Could be that "going his own way" means going to San Fran to learn BDSM and become a Dom all decked in leather training (nasty) chicks to be his slaves and beating them while they thank him for it.

What MGTOW is *not*, is a man living his life for someone else such as a wife or society at large that need worker bees to feed off of. It is a man throwing off any societal norms that he took in spite of his interests. Some MGTOWs might be happy to have a house in the suburbs and a mortgage, as long as he gets to have his boat in the garage and lives near a fishin hole. Some guys never want to be beholden in any way, to any thing, ever. It's not this or that, specifically. It is WHATEVER IN THE HELL HE WANTS AND FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT

Calling them losers betrays your own insecurities. Calling them losers makes you a hater. MGTOWs aren't haters- they just don't give a shit enough to even remark or reply. They do what pleases them and serves them, and defy anyone they wish to defy.

I like MGTOWs. No one has leverage on them. How can you be down on a guy for casting off people's attempts to manipulate him?

my 2 cents.

 

[Icarus]

They do what pleases them and serves them, and defy anyone they wish to defy. I like MGTOWs. No one has leverage on them. How can you be down on a guy for casting off people's attempts to manipulate him?

Reminds me of that dialogue in The Dark Knight:

• Bruce Wayne: Targeting me won't get their money back. I knew the mob wouldn't go down without a fight, but this is different. They crossed the line.
• Alfred Pennyworth: You crossed the line first, sir. You squeezed them, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand.
• Bruce Wayne: Criminals aren't complicated, Alfred. Just have to figure out what he's after.
• Alfred Pennyworth: With respect Master Wayne, perhaps this is a man that *you* don't fully understand, either. A long time ago, I was in Burma. My friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So, we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never met anybody who traded with him. One day, I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away.
• Bruce Wayne: So why steal them?
• Alfred Pennyworth: Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

 

[cardguy]

I second what King Solomon said.

Which is why I am happy to embrace the term 'loser' if people feel like calling MGTOW that. Since MGTOW literally couldn't give two shits what people think of them. Indeed - I enjoy any hate sent our way, since it suggests we are doing something right.

 

[w00t]

The whole concept of "loser" is a load of rubbish anyway. Its simply a semantic tool to control men and their behaviour. Dont wanna get married? Youre a loser. Dont wanna work 40+ hours a week? Youre a loser. Dont wanna do thousands of approaches to bang mediocre chicks? Loser. Pay for prostitutes? Loser. Notice how its always men that are labelled losers and never women, no matter how much they fuck up their own lifes.

This is where the whole PU community fucks up big time aswell, as they still base their self-worth on the approval of woman and buy into the whole femcentric bullshit. Learning game is fine but if you define your own masculinity by how much approval from worthless cunts you can get, youre still a slave to pussy. You just get laid more than the normal AFC. Again theres nothing wrong with learning game but there is EVERYTHING wrong with looking down on your fellow men if they decide not to partake in this fucked up modern dating scene.

Thats what I like about MGTOW they dont give a shit and dont feel the need to constantly shame other men and manipulate their behaviour. They promote a sense of comraderie and an attitude of self-serving behaviour. If you wanna learn game and pump and dump chicks fine, go do that. If you cant be bothered and rather play video games, thats cool too. Do whats best for YOU and fuck what other ppl are trying to tell you. In PU circles its always "getting pussy is #1 priority in life and if you dont get laid or pay for it youre a loser" and thats just bullshit and ultimately playing into the womens agenda, as they control access to pussy and hence have the power of making you a loser/winner. Do you want to give woman that power over you? I know I dont so fuck this bullshit.

 

[solo]

w00ts post above made me think of A. McGinnis' post on ROK about effortless attraction and focusing on yourself and let the women come after you.

While I think the occasional girl will fall on your lap if you go your own way thanks to your aloofness or whatever, I do wonder if refraining from approaching is going to lead to more or hotter girls. I guess it could if you work on things like lifestyle and social status etc. You can also argue men are slaves to pussy by nature and that approaching is therefore as natural as eating.

I think the best puas teach NOT to base your self-worth on the approval of one one women or to buy into the femcentric bullshit though, but rather to focus on self-improvement and going after multiple women while not giving a fuck about what any individual woman think of you.

 

[bacon]

@w00t well said.


In my opinion a guy should not care about his friends sex life unless he is dating/married to a bitch who is clearly ruining his friends life or your relationship with him. That is the only time I have ever shamed my friends about their choice in women.

 

[Asaxon]

Woot, I could not agree more. As discussed in the Toronto post, widespread PUA can lead to female egos growing exponentially and culture and gender relations becoming even more tilted. Of course, there is some hardwiring in all this ( females as choosers, males as suitors) but the more alternatives men have ( porn, p4p) the lower the amount of power females hold over us due to demand for their services and companionship decreasing. From an individual's point of view PUA leads to a rat race for ever decreasing quality of prizes ( fatter, more entitled etc) while widespread Mgtow will force females to improve or risk being left over as fewer and fewer men chase them.
On a societal level, I think the west is beyond repair and needs a hard correction to be a viable society again. Consistently punishing the most productive elements and selecting for procreation of the weakest via welfare, wic, PC laws etc etc simply is not sustainable. Anyone buying into this sinking ship ( paying taxes, supporting feminism etc that way) just delays the inevitable return to a more sane / natural order.

 

[cardguy]

Just came across this video - which I thought was very good:



It is a discussion touching on the economic consequences for society of MGTOW. Once men disengage from women - alot of the consumer spending by men (which is done to please the women in their lives) which underpins our consumerist economy falls away. With dire consequences for the economy. This could also be one of the factors behind the 20 year economic depression in Japan - since Japan was the first place to have a large MGTOW movement.

The video also touches on the fact that this is why women get such a good deal in divorce cases. Since the money she is awarded will be recycled through the economy through more cash being wasted on dumb shit.

 

[cardguy]

MGTOW wisdom from Clint Eastwood:



NOTE: The last line is a little unclear... Here is a 'cut and paste' of it from one of the comments below the video.

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"Women when I want em and none with the name of Hogan". That was his Charecter in the movie I guess!

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[cardguy]

Here is a good critique of the Mens Rights Movement I just stumbled across:

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MRA's are, IMO, dipshits and clowns. They're trying to out-fem the fems. Not gonna happen. Using my war analogy again, they're fighting in a 4th generation war using 3rd gen warfare tactics. Trying to beg the cunts and .gov for their rights doesn't work. It never has. You have to SHOW a muthafukka you mean business, and make him hurt until he gives you what you want. In this context, that means things like exactly what MGTOW does, and the things Captain Capitalism (Aaron Clarey) says: reduce your production to just what you need to survive, withdraw your emotional support and attention from cunts, disengage from society to whatever extent you deem suitable for you, and let the whole rotten house collapse in on itself.

Even though I think they're clowns, I don't hate MRA's. If nothing else, they distract the enemy by giving them something to focus their attention on. Meanwhile the leaderless resistance that is MGTOW is destroying the frame of the house that marxism and all its offshoots have rotten and eaten.
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[cardguy]

Just heard this one:

MGTOW in 6 words...

"The juice isn't worth the squeeze."

 

[Vitriol]

You have to SHOW a muthafukka you mean business, and make him hurt until he gives you what you want. In this context, that means things like exactly what MGTOW does, and the things Captain Capitalism (Aaron Clarey) says: reduce your production to just what you need to survive, withdraw your emotional support and attention from cunts, disengage from society to whatever extent you deem suitable for you, and let the whole rotten house collapse in on itself.

Does anyone have the links to the Captain Capitalism posts where he talks about this?

It seems like many men who aren't even involved in things like MGTOW, PUA, MRA, etc. Are going to end up disengaging from society because the opportunities aren't there anymore. Some of us are making a calculated effort to be part of the marriage strike or only use girls for pumping and dumping, but think about all the guys who can no longer afford mortgages or will never have steady high paying jobs like they would have a generation ago. This current economic and social model really is going cannibal on itself and mainstream sources are still living in the past, so no one outside of these movements really notices.

 

[aphelion]

Those of you who say that MGTOWs aren't losers for doing what they want are using the same logic that fat chicks use to defend themselves, because they claim to want to be fat. It's bullshit and we all know it. Everyone has the same basic needs (unless they're truly, madly different) and that includes companionship of the opposite sex. 98% of fat chicks would be traditional slinky hotties if they could, and 98% of MGTOWs wouldn't be that way if they were swimming in top shelf pussy that didn't divorce rape them.

It comes from the same dark place of self-admittance to defeat. That's why they're losers - because they LOST.

 

[Vitriol]

Those of you who say that MGTOWs aren't losers for doing what they want are using the same logic that fat chicks use to defend themselves, because they claim to want to be fat. It's bullshit and we all know it. Everyone has the same basic needs (unless they're truly, madly different) and that includes companionship of the opposite sex. 98% of fat chicks would be traditional slinky hotties if they could, and 98% of MGTOWs wouldn't be that way if they were swimming in top shelf pussy that didn't divorce rape them.

It comes from the same dark place of self-admittance to defeat. That's why they're losers - because they LOST.

I think you're misunderstanding the logic behind this. Compare these three statements:

1. I have no interest in X.

2. I cannot obtain X, therefore I will not pursue it.

3. X is a mediocre product, but it also requires a lot of time and effort to obtain. Even if I get X, there are heavy risks associated with it. Therefore, X is not worth pursuing.

Statement number 2 is the sour grapes answer, where statement 3 is a value judgment based on the return on investment. Statement 1 is the denial of a need totally, which I don't think anyone is advocating that a heterosexual guy would refuse to be swimming in pussy if he could be.

 

[cardguy]

I am all for hot pussy - which is easily available from a hooker by the way.

But - for me - I have never desired companionship with a girl. I have much more enjoyable things to do with my time, than being dragged around the shops buying new curtains.

 

[w00t]

Those of you who say that MGTOWs aren't losers for doing what they want are using the same logic that fat chicks use to defend themselves, because they claim to want to be fat. It's bullshit and we all know it. Everyone has the same basic needs (unless they're truly, madly different) and that includes companionship of the opposite sex. 98% of fat chicks would be traditional slinky hotties if they could, and 98% of MGTOWs wouldn't be that way if they were swimming in top shelf pussy that didn't divorce rape them.

It comes from the same dark place of self-admittance to defeat. That's why they're losers - because they LOST.

MGTOW is not about celibacy, the guys who "ghost" (go completely celibate) are only a fraction. Its about kicking pussy off the pedestal and refusing to have your masculinity defined by females. There are guys who are into game and pump and dump, guys who use hookers, even guys in relationships. Some of these guys even banged models and quit the game because they dont want to deal with all the psycho bullshit anymore. PU is good as a technique but if it becomes some dogmatic shit like "you HAVE To chase pussy 24/7" or "you HAVE to get laid or else youre a loser" thats where the problems begin.

Also like cardguy said you are projecting your own values on other men. Not everyone NEEDS female companionship. Personally I like sex and I like pussy but thats about it, apart from that I want as little to do with females as possible. I wish I could go full ghost and never have to deal with them anymore at all, the amount of peace and freedom it brings into your life is incredible. Unfortunately my raging sex drive wont allow me to do so.

 

[cardguy]

I thought only gay guys enjoying hanging out with girls - just for the company alone.

 

[cardguy]

Just managed to put into words a thought I have had for awhile.

It is to do with what is known as 'survivorship bias' or 'self-selection' in statistics.

Think about this.

MGTOW is about rebelling against the life script that you were raised with. Since - by definition everybody alive is born to two parents - who at one point thought that having kids would be nice. And - in the majority of cases - wanted to 'settle down'.

So - to reject that seems (at first) a bit radical.

But imagine this.

Imagine a fucked up law where only Scientologists were allowed to have children. And imagine as well - that only 1% of the population were Scientologists - so only about 1% of the population ever reproduced.

In thirty years time. All the young people (by definiton) would imagine that being a Scientologist was the most normal thing in the world. Since - they wouldn't know any better - and they wouldn't have any other friends in the same age groups who knew any different either.

So - even though - quite alot of people never have children (I am guessing 10-20% of the population). It is easy to imagine that just about everyone is married and has kids. Since just about everyone you know is from a similar background to you. With a life script which reads 'birth-marriage-babies-retirement-death'.

This is all pretty obvious stuff. But I just wanted to get it down here - since anything involving 'self-selected' groups can be quite deceptive...

 

[bacon]

@cardguy

I agree I think social expectations are at the heart of why MGTOW is not more popular. Most people are pretty conventional and never question the system or their environment and what is expected of them. For people from the developed nations(anglosphere, Japan) the cultural shift in the image of marriage and having kids (to an extent as well) has not caught up with the reality quite yet. Give it another generation or two and you will really see the impact of this as marriage and kids become far less common (a trend which already grows exponentially from decade to decade). Speaking as a guy in my 20´s who grew up watching my friend’s parents and relatives deal with the personal and financial damage of divorce it left an impact on me, as I am sure it has for many other men from my generation. I remember a couple of years back when I got my vasectomy I asked my Urologist how many guys who are also in their 20´s who have never had kids are getting the snip. He told me that in the last decade or so it has become much more common especially after the recession and that even as recent as 20 years ago he almost never did it for childless men that age. I am confident that in time as social norms and expectations change the trend will continue to be fewer marriages and children and more MGTOW.

 

[Power_Ranger]

Just found out the girl my brother has been dating for the past two months is a divorcee.

At age 24. What the fuck!


I told my dad to get into his head that this is bad news. Her mother is the same. "oh but they're into each other". I told him to watch for the 6 month mark and let the shit slide down the wall.

God my brother is an idiot.