Migrant invasion of Europe

LeoniusD

Kingfisher
Ah yes - those wonderful Muslim enrichmen - 'coexisted' with Christanity like brain cancer coexist peacefully with the brain:

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Relentless Islamic warfare up until the time when the european technology and sceitnific progress made it easy to beat them back. Muslim countries have been capturing european slaves up until the early 19th century and the US and many countries had to wage wars as they captured and enslaved their own officers at sea.

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It wasn't only by the Ottomans even as late as 1950, it happened all across north africa. Give me a break about a few islamic sects like the tatars joining occasionally europeans or living under local kings. The same tatars still captured and sold ukrainian and european slaves to be sold to wealthy muslims.

Europeans fought against muslims and barely survived in some onslaughts - they are enemes of the west and christianity and they are still enemies of pretty much everyone. Even when they enter buddhist countries, then they raise shit, wherever they go, they strangely manage to be incredible nuisances. There are obviously a few more peaceful offshoots, but those are actually aberrations of true islam.

We could make the same arguments about judaism doing the same at more intelligent and insidious level. Ah well... it's funny how muslims have the same opinions of mass migration police like Soros and barbara spectre. You might wonder why they want you in the west. Must be because they love you so much - nah - muslims are the easier enemey to european christians to them. It's an easy enemy to deal with later.
 
Even the guy who popularised the term 'no-go zones' has admitted that they don't actually exist:

'In 2006, Daniel Pipes said that certain neighborhoods in France were "no-go zones" and "that the French state no longer has full control over its territory." In 2013, Pipes traveled to several of these neighborhoods and admitted he was mistaken. In 2015 he sent an email to Bloomberg saying that there are "no European countries with no-go zones."[33]'

While a few things about Islam you can say are interesting ; you cannot fool anyone with this low-level taqqiya here .
Muslims are the brooms of Judaism as one French rabbi said. You behave the same than Jews : while they focus on subverting the morals and allowing immigration ; you focus on crimes and hate.
Jews and Muslims will always stick together against Christians . They are both enemies and must be deported from all the western countries
 
Would do? Muslims have been in Europe in significant numbers since at least the eighth century. In fact, Islam is the only religion in Europe apart from Christianity to enjoy majority- and plurality-followings within entire countries, unless you count (Buddhist) Kalmykia.
Islam s presence is at best an anomaly which will be addressed soon. There could be Muslims for 150 centuries in Europe that I would still not consider any of them European. Muslims are the exact same than Jews as a group : they are parasites who try to get a piece of the cake of the European genius.

Even more laughable when this European genius is at all-time low ; muslims keep coming in .
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Would do? Muslims have been in Europe in significant numbers since at least the eighth century. In fact, Islam is the only religion in Europe apart from Christianity to enjoy majority- and plurality-followings within entire countries, unless you count (Buddhist) Kalmykia.
Just because someone was present doesn't mean that they belong here. No one considers Gypsies European either, even though they have been here since 12th century.

Do elephants belong in Europe because they're kept in zoos? Of course not.

Now, if those fabled Muslims that had been in Spain since the 8th century had made any effort to adapt to the local culture, coexist peacefully or do just about anything other than wage constant wars aimed at genociding and enslaving the unbelievers, it would be a different story. But, and this is a well-documented fact, they never did.

Ironically, that's the same explanation for why Bosnian Muslims are accepted everywhere in Europe. They feel authentically European, and you wouldn't even know that they're Muslim unless they told you.
 

Sitting Bull

Sparrow
if those fabled Muslims that had been in Spain since the 8th century had made any effort to adapt to the local culture, coexist peacefully or do just about anything other than wage constant wars aimed at genociding and enslaving the unbelievers, it would be a different story. But, and this is a well-documented fact, they never did.
Are you sure about the "genociding" part ? In any case, a sufficient number of Christians remained to conquer back the country later.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Are you sure about the "genociding" part ? In any case, a sufficient number of Christians remained to conquer back the country later.
Yes, there were so many Christians remaining in Spain that it only took 700 years and the entirety of Europe to do it. It surely wasn't accomplished by the hapless individuals caught within the caliphate, who occupied the lowest rungs of the Islamic society and were constantly brutalized even if they converted.

 

Serie A1

Robin
While a few things about Islam you can say are interesting ; you cannot fool anyone with this low-level taqqiya here .
Muslims are the brooms of Judaism as one French rabbi said. You behave the same than Jews : while they focus on subverting the morals and allowing immigration ; you focus on crimes and hate.
Jews and Muslims will always stick together against Christians . They are both enemies and must be deported from all the western countries
  • The Holy Land: Christians and Muslims are on the same (Palestinian) side, the adversary being Israel.
  • Lebanon: Christians and Muslims are on the same side, the adversary being Israel.
  • Syria: Christians and Muslims are on the same side, the adversary being Israel.
  • Jordan: Christians and Muslims are on the same side. Jordan has a peace treaty with Israel.
Spot the pattern?
 
  • The Holy Land: Christians and Muslims are on the same (Palestinian) side, the adversary being Israel.
  • Lebanon: Christians and Muslims are on the same side, the adversary being Israel.
  • Syria: Christians and Muslims are on the same side, the adversary being Israel.
  • Jordan: Christians and Muslims are on the same side. Jordan has a peace treaty with Israel.
Spot the pattern?
I spot it ; but tell your friend Erdogan who mentioned Allah at every sentence that he can attack Israel and not Greece or Armenia.
Muslims/Arabs are surrounding Israel but do not attack them.
 

Serie A1

Robin
Just because someone was present doesn't mean that they belong here. No one considers Gypsies European either, even though they have been here since 12th century.

Do elephants belong in Europe because they're kept in zoos? Of course not.

Now, if those fabled Muslims that had been in Spain since the 8th century had made any effort to adapt to the local culture, coexist peacefully or do just about anything other than wage constant wars aimed at genociding and enslaving the unbelievers, it would be a different story. But, and this is a well-documented fact, they never did.

Ironically, that's the same explanation for why Bosnian Muslims are accepted everywhere in Europe. They feel authentically European, and you wouldn't even know that they're Muslim unless they told you.
1. You are probably not aware that Islamic Iberia was a highly sophisticated civilisation which made absolutely enormous advances not just in fields such as mathematics and philosophy, but finance, fashion and even cuisine: the concept of the three-course meal (starter, main, dessert) has its origins there. To be honest, the debt we all owe that particular civilisation is dizzying.

2. Bosnian Muslims definitely did not feel accepted even by their immediate neighbours, let alone Europe, in the 1992-95 period. In 2020, they are more accepted because race – rather than religion – is the mindless social cleavage du jour.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
the concept of the three-course meal (starter, main, dessert) has its origins there. To be honest, the debt we all owe that particular civilization is dizzying.
Wait, I'm supposed to feel indebted to bloodthirsty invaders because without them no one would have ever eaten any tasty food? You can't be serious. This is so bad that it can't even be called trolling.

"My fellow Europeans, the bloodthirsty hordes have made their way to the gates of Vienna. Are you ready to make the last stand to defend your homes?"
"But sir, think of the three-course meal!"

 
Wait, I'm supposed to feel indebted to bloodthirsty invaders because without them no one would have ever eaten any tasty food? You can't be serious. This is so bad that it can't even be called trolling.

"My fellow Europeans, the bloodthirsty hordes have made their way to the gates of Vienna. Are you ready to make the last stand to defend your homes?"
"But sir, think of the three-course meal!"
This feels like that London cuck meme: hey, take being a vanishingly small minority in your own city so you can have kebabs and curry! Not like cookbooks or the internet exists!
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
This feels like that London cuck meme: hey, take being a vanishingly small minority in your own city so you can have kebabs and curry! Not like cookbooks or the internet exists!
But murmurmur, don't you understand that without Islamic Iberia's advancements in mathematics, there would have been no internet today, and even if there were, without its advancements in finance, there would have been no capital to fund the tech companies!
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
The problem is that while we are here debunking those trivial lies we are not investing our time and energy in something more productive.

I've seen this discussion (with politicians usually) a hundred times, you notice something bad (so many law-breaking muslims suddenly !?) and here is how it goes :
1. It's not true. You must had bad luck/live in a bad neighborhood, we have statistics, don't trust your eyes trust us instead.
2. Ok we lied, of course it was true. But it was always like that ! This is where A1 is, "islam was always in europe", right.
3. Ok we lied, it wasn't like that before. But it's good for them, and for you, and society, and us. What are you, a nazi ?
4. Ok we lied, it wasn't good for anybody except a small elite, but it's there now, what were you gonna do anyway ?
5. Ok we lied, many things could have been done, the most you wait the more extreme they will have to be and unfortunately the wait was long enough that no more solution is possible within the realm of legality and peace. Oh by the way, we discussed this among ourselves and had a law made, if you continue discussing this you go to jail.

Good luck !

PS I'm sure somebody formalized this more seriously, some revolutionary maybe ? If somebody has a link it's always interesting imho.
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
1. You are probably not aware that Islamic Iberia was a highly sophisticated civilisation which made absolutely enormous advances not just in fields such as mathematics and philosophy, but finance, fashion and even cuisine: the concept of the three-course meal (starter, main, dessert) has its origins there. To be honest, the debt we all owe that particular civilisation is dizzying.

2. Bosnian Muslims definitely did not feel accepted even by their immediate neighbours, let alone Europe, in the 1992-95 period. In 2020, they are more accepted because race – rather than religion – is the mindless social cleavage du jour.
Everything you wrote down here rubs off in the wrong way.

It is, again, the same dishonest approach to score some easy points and come across as some sort of (faux) contrarianist muslim intellectual

1. There is an implied dichotomy between backwards Europe and enlightened and scientific islamic empire

1.1 The whole 'backward Middle Ages' is a trope popularised by the Renaissance thinkers of the 15th and 16th century. It was subsequently waved into 19th orientalist historialist thinking (from bad to good). Ultimately the leftcucks and unwanted recent immigrees took a run with it, and now every inbred uni-browned Ali from bumfuck Khyber-Pakhtunwa thinks he earns the right to call himself European by simply stating 'muh Averroes, muh Avicenna'

Here's some remnants of backwards Medieval Latin Europe. Don't even start about learning , you know where universities come from?
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1.2 In this member's triumphant comment also lies the notion that the features of the Islamic empires in Al Andalus were somehow homegrown and organic

Obviously this is yet another falsehood. The conquering invasion force in 711 consisted of recent Berber converts, nearly all hailing from barren, desolate lands in the Rif. These people were not civilisation builders, they were civilisation takers.

Just like Mo and his successors did decades earlier

Yes, nearly every long gone 'Islamic innovation' the modern muslim likes to take credit for is actually plagiarised. The 'Arabic' numerical system? Copied from the Indian subcontinent. 'Islamic' architecture? A nearly one on one copy of Byzantine architecture. The administrational system? Lol, Late antiquity Roman inheritance, Mo was an illiterate. Steam baths and hammams? Guys the Arabs lived in the desert before conquering half the civilised world

The sciences that are now attributed to Islamic thinking? They just translated and copied the books from all the great ancient thinkers into Arabic

Which made starstruck Renaissance bozos believe that this knowledge was actually (partly) the Arabs'

Every low culture impersonates a high culture as time goes by.

The Visigoths, Franks and Vandals did the same and called themselves Roman Emperors. Atilla dressed and behaved like a Roman in the last stages of his life. The nomadic tribes from the Eurasian steppes culturally completely converted to the Sino-Confucian ways of their former enemies. The nomadic Qizilbash took on an Iranian identity within years

I could go on.

1.3 The only cultural regression in Latin Europe happened because of geography. Provincialisation. Leftcucks and their Islamic minions are quick to call out, for instance, the retreat of written culture (for lack of a better word)

Yet the only reason why the Latin European libraries regressed to 100s, at best 1000s of works per center of learning (whilst the ones in Al Andalus regularly contained tens of thousands, and their administrational system was much more efficient and text based) is the lack of papyrii in Latin Europe (they had to use parchment)

Mediterranean trade was dead (the basis of the Roman Empire). Latin Europe was cut off from the Egyptian source of papyrii whilst al Andalus was still basically part of an Islamic Mediterreanen Empire

All completely understandable yet those parts never get told

1.4 The premise that not burning down an entire region (just merely subjugating it, out of political /demographical WEAKNESS!) somehow validates motives like conquest, bloodthirst, second class citizenry, religious persecution etc.

Today's equivalent would be me sneaking into your house, suckerpunching you from behind, stamping a few times on your head, taking over the house whilst keeping you as a shackled house slave..

.. And then telling your grandsons that they should be venerating me for continuing the traditions of the household (that would gradually decline over time)

Note the blatant hypocrisy, dishonesty and the complete lack of values in stating something like this.

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2. I am glad you are finally at the root of the problem. Muslims don't feel accepted therefor it's Europe's fault.

Ever wondered why muslims create problems everywhere they go?

Protip: it's not the intolerance of their neighbours
 

Serie A1

Robin
It was invented between the 1st and 4th centuries by Indian mathematicians. The system was adopted in Arabic mathematics (also called Islamic mathematics) by the 9th century.

Try again, 'bro'
With great pleasure.

'The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use.

'The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.'


FYI, Fibonacci studied at Bugia (Béjaïa in modern Algeria), which is where he came into contact with what we now term Western Arabic numerals (0-9).

If you're interested in the intersection of mathematics and design, do check out the following chart; the East Asian numerals are aesthetically wonderful:

 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Bro, the numerals on your keyboard are called Western Arabic numerals.
Putting aside the obvious hole regarding the origin of those numbers being in India, unless the Arabs were exclusively responsible for inventing the elixir of life AND fusion reactors at the same time, the point remains that one could take it or leave it when it's accompanied by a genocidal ideology.

It's akin to saying "Hey, the Nazis might have gassed a few million people, but at least they made the trains run on time!". Yes, thank you for the trains, but it's still wrong and shouldn't exist here.

I myself like mentioning how the Mongol Yassa was one of the first codes in the world to codify religious freedom and organize express postal service, but that still doesn't mean that I'd be required to tolerate 21st century Mongols raping and pillaging through Europe while living on our welfare.

Do you think that if I went to Malawi and acted like a useless parasite, they should tolerate me because Europeans used to be there during colonial times and brought them electricity? Of course not. The very idea is laughable!
 

SvenTuga

Sparrow
Gold Member
With great pleasure.

'The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use.

'The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.'


FYI, Fibonacci studied at Bugia (Béjaïa in modern Algeria), which is where he came into contact with what we now term Western Arabic numerals (0-9).

If you're interested in the intersection of mathematics and design, do check out the following chart; the East Asian numerals are aesthetically wonderful:

Been following your arguments for the past couple of days, and your attempts at re-writing history are laughable.

Trigonometry came from the Sumerians and Babylonians, and then further developed the Ancient Greeks with Archimedes and Euclid being two of the notable figures still studied today. You might raise the argument that it was Islamic Persians that developed the Law of Sines and Cosines, but not even that argument has a solid foundation. It might have been popularised by the Persians, but it again, originated in India.

Your arguments regarding Islamic Iberia are that of mainstream leftist academia and media. It ignores and misinterprets the factual evidence of that time, i.e. one of destruction of the local culture, including Churches, texts, and treasures, and the obvious oppression of the native Christian population and their reduction to Dhimmis.

The academics and media want the idea of the Andalusian paradise to be true, because it reinforces their idea that this invasion of muslims to the West will work out, and that we will all live in peace in a Golden Age of multi-culturalism.
 
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