Military equipment & technology used in the war

Easy_C

Peacock
Also the M777 was designed for light weight use, capable of being airlifted by a CH53, and is a very very capable system provided the crew is trained and knows how to operate them and do very basic preventative maintenance (PMCS) which is not often the case when you give these second hand to recently conscripted forces. These comparisons aren't an accurate problem framing scenario to make comparisons on US equipment used by US forces compared to 3rd or 4th string conscripts being sent to the slaughter by a corrupt regime.

This is another concern. One issue I'm hearing from people like MacGregor is that the Ukranians don't actually have the correct mindset for fires planning; so anything you give them just gets fired off in the general direction of the Russians indiscriminately and they burn through more specialized munitions at an unsustainable pace.
 

TruckDriver9

Hummingbird
What kind of shells is that thing firing?! If that's comparable to a normal tank's cannon or has armor punching capabilities, that's nuts.
Two 30mm autocannons - western tanks have a 120mm main gun, Russian tanks have a 125mm main gun.
Terminator won't penetrate a tank's armour with the 30mm, but there are 4 ATGMs for that purpose.
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Close up video of Terminator's armaments at work.
 

Tom Slick

Pelican
Orthodox
Just as we have seen that the US has not engaged with its normal assertion of air superiority offensively or defensively in its proxy war with Ukraine—and it has to be assumed that is because they do not believe they have enough advantage against Russia to do so without unacceptable losses—which is unusual because in the past America has enjoyed a lot of live fire testing in these situations, such as the first test of depleted uranium rounds through the Israeli military in the 1973 war, I think it's unlikely they will allow their M1 Abrams main battle tank to engage.

Overall, I think the US military has become unable to achieve any significant military objectives and the M1 Abrams is probably an advanced technological artifact from a time before diversity and wokeness overtook the armed services, and that now they are incapable of servicing it in the field in any combat scenario, especially one where they do not enjoy total air superiority.

You might be thinking, "Hey, doesn't the USA Army of Trannies and Woke Generals have the world's greatest military budget and highest level of technology, like the F-35?" True, but how do they service that equipment? With aircraft it is my understanding that actual soldiers troubleshoot to the component level, remove & replace, and then ship off the bad stuff to civilians for them to do the repairs. For big things like engines, they bring the civilians to the equipment. I don't think you can do that with a tank stuck in the mud in the middle of a free fire zone with no air support.

Now they're just stupid enough to go ahead and try, but I think that would result in massive M1 Abrams losses. So either they won't let them get into combat or they will and it will massively fail. We'll see.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
This is another concern. One issue I'm hearing from people like MacGregor is that the Ukranians don't actually have the correct mindset for fires planning; so anything you give them just gets fired off in the general direction of the Russians indiscriminately and they burn through more specialized munitions at an unsustainable pace.

Adding onto that conversation:

The M198 was better.
 

Pointy Elbows

Pelican
Orthodox
Just as we have seen that the US has not engaged with its normal assertion of air superiority offensively or defensively in its proxy war with Ukraine—and it has to be assumed that is because they do not believe they have enough advantage against Russia to do so without unacceptable losses—which is unusual because in the past America has enjoyed a lot of live fire testing in these situations, such as the first test of depleted uranium rounds through the Israeli military in the 1973 war, I think it's unlikely they will allow their M1 Abrams main battle tank to engage.

Overall, I think the US military has become unable to achieve any significant military objectives and the M1 Abrams is probably an advanced technological artifact from a time before diversity and wokeness overtook the armed services, and that now they are incapable of servicing it in the field in any combat scenario, especially one where they do not enjoy total air superiority.

You might be thinking, "Hey, doesn't the USA Army of Trannies and Woke Generals have the world's greatest military budget and highest level of technology, like the F-35?" True, but how do they service that equipment? With aircraft it is my understanding that actual soldiers troubleshoot to the component level, remove & replace, and then ship off the bad stuff to civilians for them to do the repairs. For big things like engines, they bring the civilians to the equipment. I don't think you can do that with a tank stuck in the mud in the middle of a free fire zone with no air support.

Now they're just stupid enough to go ahead and try, but I think that would result in massive M1 Abrams losses. So either they won't let them get into combat or they will and it will massively fail. We'll see.
Lvov to Donetsk is 1213 km (753 miles). Russia is using what it gets - distance, and now, winter. History rhyming.

It is baffling, watching the West empty its stocks into a "cauldron" at the east end of Europe. For what? There's almost zero ROI.
 

Tom Slick

Pelican
Orthodox
It is baffling, watching the West empty its stocks into a "cauldron" at the east end of Europe. For what? There's almost zero ROI.

Not sure if I said this in an earlier post, but Putin could very well be into a long-term strategy that included the better part of a year of rope-a-doping the West into depleting its stockpiles, whom he also knew or suspected was so hubristic that they could not accurately plan their own manufacturing capacity since they trannified, diversified, and collapsed their societies, and will not be able to keep up in a war of attrition.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
Not sure if I said this in an earlier post, but Putin could very well be into a long-term strategy that included the better part of a year of rope-a-doping the West into depleting its stockpiles, whom he also knew or suspected was so hubristic that they could not accurately plan their own manufacturing capacity since they trannified, diversified, and collapsed their societies, and will not be able to keep up in a war of attrition.
And even better, over time, these trannies and diversicrats will turn on each other, blaming each other for their own incompetence. The more they dig the hole, the madder and more furiously they dig. Their incompetence snowballs upon itself. There is no self correction that will ever happen without a total systematic failure and reset.

Time is absolutely on China and Russia's side here.
 

Tom Slick

Pelican
Orthodox
Time is absolutely on China and Russia's side here.
As completely incompetent as the US military has become in achieving strategic objectives, or even being coherent in its efforts across the branches and special forces, mainly because of top brass and political leadership, I've got a lot of reason to believe that on its worst day American armed forces are still vastly superior to the Chinese on their best day.

It's almost impossible to mentally process how utterly inefficient and mostly incapable of doing stuff the mainland Chinese really are, but in the event of a kinetic conflict the script will most likely have the US "losing" to them as the torch is passed somewhat dramatically from one super power to the next, whereas the last time the baton was passed it was a bit more subtly handed from the UK to the Americans under the guise of their being allies and not the enemies that the Biden admin is cartoonishly making China out to be.
 

get2choppaaa

Crow
Orthodox
As completely incompetent as the US military has become in achieving strategic objectives, or even being coherent in its efforts across the branches and special forces, mainly because of top brass and political leadership, I've got a lot of reason to believe that on its worst day American armed forces are still vastly superior to the Chinese on their best day.

It's almost impossible to mentally process how utterly inefficient and mostly incapable of doing stuff the mainland Chinese really are, but in the event of a kinetic conflict the script will most likely have the US "losing" to them as the torch is passed somewhat dramatically from one super power to the next, whereas the last time the baton was passed it was a bit more subtly handed from the UK to the Americans under the guise of their being allies and not the enemies that the Biden admin is cartoonishly making China out to be.
Yes.

However I see no point where that conflict will ever go kinetic ans overt.

Why chop the tree down and risk it falling on your car when you could just spray some weed killer at its roots (economic and political elite capture)
 

eL-JJ

Robin
Other Christian
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‼️Russia and Iran are going to release a UAV faster than Shahed

The Wall Street Journal, Russia, and Iran have agreed to create a drone faster than the Shahid. The new UAV will be produced by Iran, but on the territory of the Russian Federation and according to Moscow's plan.

The drone factory will presumably be located in the city of Yelabuga (1,100 kilometers from the border with Ukraine). Its creation is part of a $1 billion deal between Russia and Iran. In January of this year, a high-level Iranian delegation arrived in Russia to inspect the site for the construction of the plant.

According to the publication, the deal was finalized in early November in Tehran. From Russia, there were representatives of the defense industry.
 

Ember

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
The first confirmations of the presence of new 125-mm armor-piercing feathered 3BM60 "Lead-2" sub-caliber projectiles in the ammunition load of Russian tanks have appeared.

Previously, in the BC of Russian tanks, basically, only significantly outdated 125-mm BOPS "Mango" were seen, which no longer met the necessary criteria for modern ammunition. However, now, with the introduction of the latest Lead-2 shells, Russian tank crews will be able to hit the supplied Western tanks in frontal projection from a much greater distance.

BOPS 3BM60 "Lead-2" has a tungsten core and is used together with the propellant charge 4Zh96 "Ozon-T" as part of the 3VBM23 shot, providing an estimated penetration of about 700 mm of homogeneous steel from two kilometers at a right angle. The projectile length of 740 mm, which is practically the limit for domestic automatic loaders, allows it to be used only from new tanks, such as the T-90A, T-90M, T-72B3, T-80BVM.

 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
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As completely incompetent as the US military has become in achieving strategic objectives, or even being coherent in its efforts across the branches and special forces, mainly because of top brass and political leadership, I've got a lot of reason to believe that on its worst day American armed forces are still vastly superior to the Chinese on their best day.

It's almost impossible to mentally process how utterly inefficient and mostly incapable of doing stuff the mainland Chinese really are, but in the event of a kinetic conflict the script will most likely have the US "losing" to them as the torch is passed somewhat dramatically from one super power to the next, whereas the last time the baton was passed it was a bit more subtly handed from the UK to the Americans under the guise of their being allies and not the enemies that the Biden admin is cartoonishly making China out to be.
You're not wrong about the ability of the US military, however, I would see the Chinese military members willing to go the distance and fight to the death for their country and government with the unrelenting ant-colony-like qualities the soldier would seem to possess of loyalty to the queen. Not to call them bugs or insects, I think they have made some remarkable achievements technologically speaking in their society, bar the surveillance state. Their moral character is more decent than the current American and most other westerners, and that's not saying much. The wokeness is the achilles heel of the US military. The polar diversification of the units and unqualified rejects and invalids in command positions, coupled with the vax coursing through their veins, and the fumbling logistical errors bound to arise in a new conflict with China, I'm not putting any money on the US, and neither should you. America should have learned that they could have yielded this kind of "diversity" to a better end, but the political agitants delusion of their utopia would always get in the way. You put the English-speaking with one another, the blacks with one another, the Spanish-speaking with one another, all foreign volunteers with one another, and the women in support-roles only, and keep the fag stuff in the closet, and you will have a working model similar to these other multi-ethnic militaries around the world without the wokeness. Believe me, it irks me to have to abandon "my" side in favor of the other rising-hegemonic powers, but the homofaggotry, the freemasonry, the luciferanism, and the pederasty profited and proliferated by these degenerate jews and their US / MIC war machine must end. These western societies must ditch their silly NWO unions and each return to nationhood. Working behind the scenes for several hundred years making demonic pacts doesn't make one a brilliant battle tactician, and it will take more than depleting one hosts resources to simply transfer to another to keep this scam dream of theirs alive. No parasite is immortal, not even the international jew. We can't rely on hopium that the losing of tanks and ammunition packages will open the eyes of the American people and western Europe, but perhaps subtle psychological warfare against the MIC will take care of that. Start at the dinner table, at the tavern. I've made about nine people lose faith in Ukraine since this whole thing started a year ago. Facts from these threads are legit, and should be shown to the doubters and the people on the fence. Lack of moral support for an entity is just the beginning. I don't yet have a complete strategy for when the ante ups, which it will. The economy will worsen, jobs will be scarce, the MIC will offer lucrative bonuses to young men with nothing in their future, jail sentences will be revoked in exchange for service, we've seen these before, but that won't be it. The beast will always look for a way to fill its belly.
 
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Easy_C

Peacock
You're not wrong about the ability of the US military, however, I would see the Chinese military members willing to go the distance and fight to the death for their country and government with the unrelenting ant-colony-like qualities the soldier would seem to possess of loyalty to the queen. Not to call them bugs or insects, I think they have made some remarkable achievements

That isn't so much the issue though. It's that America's force projection strategy relies on carrier groups that are effectively obsolete because they don't have any effective defense against China's land based hypersonic missiles. We'd have a hard time bringing land troops into combat without massive casualties on the way in.
 
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