scorpion said:
Yes, this syria thing also makes me uneasy. I feel like Putin is just sitting in the Kremlin, watching the american news and cracking his knuckles.
Military Intervention in Syria.
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Yes, this syria thing also makes me uneasy. I feel like Putin is just sitting in the Kremlin, watching the american news and cracking his knuckles.
Some of you guys need to unplug yourself from the rightwing media echo chamber.
I'm no fan of Obama, but the idea that what's happening in Syria is Obama's fault or that this administration is anymore lawless than what came before is absurd. The only reason to gig Obama is that he came in on a cloud of promises to be something different and then just continued all of Bush's policies.
The new boss is pretty much the same as the old boss.
I'm no fan of Obama, but the idea that what's happening in Syria is Obama's fault or that this administration is anymore lawless than what came before is absurd. The only reason to gig Obama is that he came in on a cloud of promises to be something different and then just continued all of Bush's policies.
The new boss is pretty much the same as the old boss.
This chemical weapons thing is just the latest pretext in a long line of pretexts. The goal is to destroy any country, any government, that does not kowtow to the US and Israel. This has been the goal from the beginning and will remain so. Other regional flunkies like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. do their bidding also. It will never change and it's just too depressing to watch.
The ideal endgame from the US/Israel perspective is to see Syria, Lebanon, and Iran destroyed to that the US can economically dominate the region in perpetuity, and Israel can carry out its goals of "Eretz Israel", Greater Israel. And the people here in the US could care less.
You pay a high, high price for independence. They seek you out, and then they target you.
The ideal endgame from the US/Israel perspective is to see Syria, Lebanon, and Iran destroyed to that the US can economically dominate the region in perpetuity, and Israel can carry out its goals of "Eretz Israel", Greater Israel. And the people here in the US could care less.
You pay a high, high price for independence. They seek you out, and then they target you.
I don't know about Israel invading other countries. That sounds far out there. It would be interesting to see since I haven't seen large scale imperialism in my life. I also don't think US and Israel are as tight as they used to be. A lot of my Israeli friends don't like Obama and a lot of America's actions. I wouldn't be surprised if a movement is in place to get rid of America's influence on Israel.
This is all smoke and mirrors. It's just an attempt to mask neo-colonialism.
The US has been involved from the start. They have been training mercenaries in Jordan and Turkey.
http://www.jpost.com/Special-Reports5/Report-US-began-training-Syrian-rebels-in-2012-317346
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/21/world/la-fg-wn-cia-syria-20130621
Assad has been successful in holding them off and the west is getting impatient. So they are drumming up another bullshit excuse to provide air superiority. That should be enough to tip the scales. This is all about control of the middle east. It's much easier to control a bunch of fractured factions than strong independent nation states. Just like it's easier to control someone that has already been knocked on their ass.
The US has been involved from the start. They have been training mercenaries in Jordan and Turkey.
http://www.jpost.com/Special-Reports5/Report-US-began-training-Syrian-rebels-in-2012-317346
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/21/world/la-fg-wn-cia-syria-20130621
Assad has been successful in holding them off and the west is getting impatient. So they are drumming up another bullshit excuse to provide air superiority. That should be enough to tip the scales. This is all about control of the middle east. It's much easier to control a bunch of fractured factions than strong independent nation states. Just like it's easier to control someone that has already been knocked on their ass.
CJ_W
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Damedius said:
Dont you think Russia is involved in this too? You'd think they'd be all in league with each other, as they'd make a lot more money that way (and playing the "other side" while getting a huge piece of the pie)
I mean it wouldn't make much sense to go to war with each other over this and lose more resources than it's worth. They've gotta be all in on this, but playing this game so that the common person doens't know.
I think it is becoming increasingly obvious to many that governments are stooges for the interests of covert power. None of these wars America are engaged in make any sense at all to the economic, social or political interests of the country. Anyone can see that surely.
j r said:
That's exactly what I'm faulting Obama for. Everyone thought Obama was the chosen one who was going to "change" things and they all got played like a slut by a celebrity for a quick pump and dump.
Except Obama pump and dumped the voter not once, but twice.
People who voted for Obama should lose their voting privileges, for displaying that they have no judgement of character. It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that Obama was an charlatan empty suit from day 1.
And before you say he was better than Romney - I'm not saying you should have voted for Romney. The answers have been the same for the last 10 years:
- Don't vote
- Or vote third party
Only One Man
Kingfisher
This has the feel of another false flag.
greensteelhead
Robin
Defense spending is going down while Washington whitewashes the economic numbers. Bernake is shoveling $85B into the economy EACH MONTH! Growth is stagnant. Jobs are stagnant (many new jobs are part time as Obamacare ramps up. We are high on credit and short on cash. Big Ben has been inkling for a couple months that the shoveling of cash into the furnace might end in September. That will hurt this precious 5-year long "recovery."
The Eurozone is a disaster. Cyprus, Italy, Spain, Greece, Ireland and France are a disaster: high debt, low employment, no way out. The Germans hold the cards and the cash, and they have elections in September. The European Union might not have a big German brother to bail them out if the regime and attitudes change there. Who wants to keep bailing out these other nations?
Meanwhile, China has been cooking the books. Their economy is slowing and stagnant since they are tied to the US and the rest of the world. They are squabbling with Japan about islands (and oil and gas underneath them). Both nations recently launched their first carriers. Doesn't that sound awesome and peaceful? Oh, right, Japan's economy sucks and their little nuke plant continues to be one of the worst environmental disasters in history. No problem there!
War is a way out as many of these issues converge in September. The games and spending can continue while the world mobilizes and fights yet another war. This one could be big and nasty given the Russians have moved warships into the region (after tooling up during massive war games in the Far East), and the UK and France are moving air units onto Cyprus.
Cyprus...hmm...yes, where did I hear about Cyprus recently? Oh, right! Lots of Russian tycoons lost big money when they had a banking crisis just a few months ago. I am sure the wealthy Russians were happy to contribute. i am sure Putin never received any phone calls.
Yes....nothing to see here! Move along. The markets, banking and potential intervention are freak events. All coincidence....I am sure of it
The shit show is about to start. Grab some corn and a beer.
The Eurozone is a disaster. Cyprus, Italy, Spain, Greece, Ireland and France are a disaster: high debt, low employment, no way out. The Germans hold the cards and the cash, and they have elections in September. The European Union might not have a big German brother to bail them out if the regime and attitudes change there. Who wants to keep bailing out these other nations?
Meanwhile, China has been cooking the books. Their economy is slowing and stagnant since they are tied to the US and the rest of the world. They are squabbling with Japan about islands (and oil and gas underneath them). Both nations recently launched their first carriers. Doesn't that sound awesome and peaceful? Oh, right, Japan's economy sucks and their little nuke plant continues to be one of the worst environmental disasters in history. No problem there!
War is a way out as many of these issues converge in September. The games and spending can continue while the world mobilizes and fights yet another war. This one could be big and nasty given the Russians have moved warships into the region (after tooling up during massive war games in the Far East), and the UK and France are moving air units onto Cyprus.
Cyprus...hmm...yes, where did I hear about Cyprus recently? Oh, right! Lots of Russian tycoons lost big money when they had a banking crisis just a few months ago. I am sure the wealthy Russians were happy to contribute. i am sure Putin never received any phone calls.
Yes....nothing to see here! Move along. The markets, banking and potential intervention are freak events. All coincidence....I am sure of it
The shit show is about to start. Grab some corn and a beer.
CJ_W said:
This has many levels so it's hard to say. The gameplan right now is to destroy national sovereignty. This is done through war, both military and economic.
The US seems to be one of the most useful tools to do it. So I assume that they are lost already.
I had also assumed that Russia and China were there own players in the game. The only way to tell for sure would be to study their finances. Who owns what and are they owned by the same groups of people that the west are owned by.
I also think that this is past money at this point. The elites have more money than they could ever need. This has moved to a Eugenics and depopulation phase in my opinion. That doesn't mean that they won't make money at the same time. Just that it is secondary to controlling resources.
loki
Woodpecker
Due to the political nature of this humanitarian disaster, its very hard to say with any certainty who is doing what to who....there is just too much at stake, too much smoke and mirrors and the strings are being pulled by the best puppet masters in the world.
I feel so very sorry for the people, the average joe's, mums and dads and kids that are caught in the middle of this horrific event and can only hope that it sends soon, with a result that's for the best of the people not the politicians.
I feel so very sorry for the people, the average joe's, mums and dads and kids that are caught in the middle of this horrific event and can only hope that it sends soon, with a result that's for the best of the people not the politicians.
Quintus Curtius said:
It's not so much Israel but guilt-ridden pro-Israel American Jews. They think Israel's a great country, and that they are sinning by not living there. So they do 'penance' by taking hawkish positions that they think will help Israel. Actual political opinion in Israel is rather diverse. There's also the hawkish humanitarians, the type who'd have invaded Darfur had there been enough support for it.
Assad's regime is an enemy in name to Israel, but otherwise at a rude peace with them. As with Libya and Egypt, it's by no means clear that toppling the ancien regimes is a help to Israel. And Eretz Yisrael just means the land of Israel.
Samseau said:
Great post. As bad as Clinton and Bush were, Obama is even worse. FAR worse.
I wouldn't be surprised if the net value between 2012 Non Obama voters v. 2012 Obama voters is 5:1, at least. Those who actually have skin in the game, so to say, wanted Obama gone in 2012.
But the women ran out and voted for Obama after he made up a "war on women" all the while women have more rights and more freedoms than men, and more money and more college degrees.
The 2012 election told me this country is done for. The number of those who want hand outs/the number of those who don't care to inform themselves out number those who do want a better life for themselves in the USA. This country can never get back at this point, IMO.
If you didn't like Romney (and he did/said lots of things I disagreed with) then vote 3rd party. Gary Johnson was DAMN impressive and there was a damn good reason both Republicans and Democrats prevented him from being allowed to debate.
It_is_my_time said:
Every third party candidate looked better. I would have voted for Jill Stein before I voted for the two main party candidates.
I think this is the fundamental flaw with democracy. You have too many stupid people voting. I would advocate going to system where only land owners could vote. Basically you have to be able to contribute to the system in order to vote.
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