Mississippi Gun-Store Owner and Son Die in Shootout with Customers

[AntiTrace]

Thanks Micky,

You have shown us a textbook case of the typical anti-gun crowd. You used straw man arguments, massive assumptions, and bigotry to make an argument that with further research you found to be flawed. After realizing the lack of credible data, you still stand by your previous opinion. And you did it all with a quaint air of superiority.

It's like a case study In left-wing decision making. It's beautiful.

 

[realologist]

Mickeyd

In the end, if you dislike handguns and think they should be regulated to death than why don't you choose not to carry.

Or choose not to have a gun at all since they are responsible for so many deaths. You don't want to be a part of all those statistics for all those gun crimes.

The point is if you dislike handguns you ultimately have the choice to:not buy them, not carry them, not do anything with them.

So are you going to put your money and safety where your mouth is?

 

[mickeyd]

Ok, clearly i spoke dissent, and got the lynch mob after me. At this point, no one is reading my posts anymore. I have to re-iterate the obvious.

1. In my original reply, the first line reads " shit like this is why I'm anti-gun." THAT WAS AN OVERSTATEMENT AND IT IS NOT MY ACTUAL OPINION.

2. My only real opinion is that a handgun should be harder to get and have a permit system. Like a driver's license. Like a hunting permit. Like a conceal carry permit. If I'm wrong on this notion, then I'm wrong and you can call me out on this notion only.

3. My opinion is aimed at gun violence in the US as a whole and not this particular case.

4. My original reply was a sort of mini-rant against the faux-redneck types that populate the great state of Florida. It was not towards people who train with their weapon regularly and are completely responsible concealed carriers.

 

[spokepoker]

Handguns are harder to get, but just a little. In my state, handgun age is 21 (vs 18 for rifles) and there is a 3 (or maybe 10 now) day waiting period after you pass the nic check and pay, that you can get it, if you don't have a CCW.
I have no idea how to get actual gun violence down, in the small city I live in, every single person is armed to the gills, and there is no gun violence at all.
I used to conceal carry when I lived in ghetto areas, but haven't renewed since moving, because most everyone just open carries here.

 

[WestIndianArchie]

Can't this just be a crime?

There's no conceivable law that will keep Bubba from getting his legal guns, much less one that will make him into a conscientious gun owner.

His hood and suburban counterparts and those on the underground won't be stopped either.

This is the new reality.

This weekend, a kid who was supposed to be headed back to school, cut class and broke into his own house. His father shot him dead because he thought it was an intruder/burglar. Cincinnati

These things happen, and it's just a fact of American life.

WIA

 

[kaotic]

My argument at :10 seconds

 

[Skull_Leader]

MickeyD. Why should we further regulate handgun ownership?

The problem with handguns is the potent mixture of concealability, difficulty of use, and their very specific intended use, which is short range use against a human target.

Handguns are not easily found during a police search of a vehicle or home. They are not readily apparent if someone is wearing loose clothing. Handguns are the criminal's choice of weapon. I understand the concept that criminals will not obey laws, obtain weapons illegally, possess them illegally etc. But, any chance we can give law enforcement to crack down on the steps in which a handgun goes from a legal gun dealer to the criminal will ultimately help reduce crime. Right now a person who has no criminal record can buy a gun in about 45 minutes, go straight to the criminal and resell it. Its really that simple. The criminal will then scratch the serial and hide it in his residence.

All handguns that aren't full size are notoriously hard to shoot. Literally anybody can pick up a .22 rifle, put 10 rounds onto a man-sized target at 25 yards with about 10 minutes of training. Doing the same with a .22 pistol requires much more training. How many forum members actually even carry EVERYWHERE they go? Slim to none i bet. So, knowing that truly concealable handguns are fucking near impossible to be accurate with at the shooting range, where everything is comfortable, imagine a situation under duress, with sweaty shaky hands, and fast-moving target. It takes alot of training to prepare for something like that.

And finally, why would anyone choose a handgun to defend against a home invasion?? If the word isn't out already, people should know that handgun rounds are actually very puny. There are cases where someone gets hit by a .22 in the right spot and drops dead immediately, while 50 cent was shot by a 9mm 9 times and recovered just fine. To my knowledge, no one has ever survived a direct hit from a shotgun...

So, in essence, the only real use of a handgun is concealed carry self-defense in trained, dedicated, law-abiding hands. The Gov. should employ privately owned handgun schools that do a 2 or 3 weekend course, with classroom education, and then training drills at a shooting range, in which someone must pass a multiple choice exam, a simple accuracy test, and a draw-and-holster test. After you pass you get a handgun permit and you can buy whatever handgun you want.

If you need to shoot someone 25 yards away, then you aren't defending yourself.

 

[mickeyd]

MickeyD. Why should we further regulate handgun ownership?

The problem with handguns is the potent mixture of concealability, difficulty of use, and their very specific intended use, which is short range use against a human target.

Handguns are not easily found during a police search of a vehicle or home. They are not readily apparent if someone is wearing loose clothing. Handguns are the criminal's choice of weapon. I understand the concept that criminals will not obey laws, obtain weapons illegally, possess them illegally etc. But, any chance we can give law enforcement to crack down on the steps in which a handgun goes from a legal gun dealer to the criminal will ultimately help reduce crime. Right now a person who has no criminal record can buy a gun in about 45 minutes, go straight to the criminal and resell it. Its really that simple. The criminal will then scratch the serial and hide it in his residence.

All handguns that aren't full size are notoriously hard to shoot. Literally anybody can pick up a .22 rifle, put 10 rounds onto a man-sized target at 25 yards with about 10 minutes of training. Doing the same with a .22 pistol requires much more training. How many forum members actually even carry EVERYWHERE they go? Slim to none i bet. So, knowing that truly concealable handguns are fucking near impossible to be accurate with at the shooting range, where everything is comfortable, imagine a situation under duress, with sweaty shaky hands, and fast-moving target. It takes alot of training to prepare for something like that.

And finally, why would anyone choose a handgun to defend against a home invasion?? If the word isn't out already, people should know that handgun rounds are actually very puny. There are cases where someone gets hit by a .22 in the right spot and drops dead immediately, while 50 cent was shot by a 9mm 9 times and recovered just fine. To my knowledge, no one has ever survived a direct hit from a shotgun...

So, in essence, the only real use of a handgun is concealed carry self-defense in trained, dedicated, law-abiding hands. The Gov. should employ privately owned handgun schools that do a 2 or 3 weekend course, with classroom education, and then training drills at a shooting range, in which someone must pass a multiple choice exam, a simple accuracy test, and a draw-and-holster test. After you pass you get a handgun permit and you can buy whatever handgun you want.

If you need to shoot someone 25 yards away, then you aren't defending yourself.

Youre missing the point. 25 yards its not a self-defense distance. But 25 yards is a reasonable distance you must maintain focus and technique to hit your target. In a self defense scenario, it will be more like 5 feet. But your target will be rapidly moving and you will be in a state of duress. You will have to maintain that focus to hit anything other than an aircraft carrier.

 

[samsamsam]

This weekend, a kid who was supposed to be headed back to school, cut class and broke into his own house. His father shot him dead because he thought it was an intruder/burglar. Cincinnati

Damn.

In Ohio father shot and killed his teenage son early Tuesday morning, apparently mistaking him for an intruder, Cincinnati Police said.

According to his father, the teen, identified as Georta Mack, 14, left for school, but returned through the basement, unbeknownst to his father, said police.

"I just shot my son by accident," Mack's father told a 911 operator. "He scared me. I thought he was in school. I heard noise and then I went downstairs looking. He jumped out at me. I shot him," the father is heard saying in a 911 recording obtained by CNN affiliate WCPO Tuesday.

"Oh God. Oh God. Why didn't you go to school?"

The investigative unit is not releasing the father's name yet, according to said Lt. Tim Brown of the Cincinnati Police Department.

Georta was taken to Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center where he later died.

Both Cincinnati Police and the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office are investigating the shooting.

This is at least the second case of a family member shooting and killing a family member -- apparently by mistake -- within the last two weeks. On the night of December 29, a woman in St. Cloud, Florida, shot her 27-year-old daughter, apparently mistaking her for a burglar. The woman fired only one round, police said, and the daughter later died at a hospital.

CNN did not identify family members in that case by request of St. Cloud Police who said the father of the victim had been an undercover police officer.

St. Cloud police said the shooting appears to be accidental, but that an investigation is ongoing.