Model accuses Harvey Weinstein of "molesting" her

Without mentioning Weinstein being Jewish (an obsession that has gone way too far in this thread and others), an alleged purveyor of Hollywood degeneracy, or something comparably tangential, can anyone here tell me what evidence was actually offered in this trial, aside from he said/she said fluff?

The same people saying they do not care if Weinstein “hangs” all too conveniently forget that the Two Minute Hate against Brett Kavanaugh was eerily similar when he was lambasted as a “rapist” by liberals across the country. The Democratic Senators would have gladly helped put Kavanaugh in jail if it were indeed possible/practical and would help them score political points.

So, please, someone be succinct and tell us matter-of-factly how Weinstein was fairly proven as a rapist beyond reasonable doubt and why this is not a case of feelings over properly articulated facts.
 

The Resilient

Ostrich
Orthodox
david.garrett84 said:
Without mentioning Weinstein being Jewish (an obsession that has gone way too far in this thread and others), an alleged purveyor of Hollywood degeneracy, or something comparably tangential, can anyone here tell me what evidence was actually offered in this trial, aside from he said/she said fluff?

The same people saying they do not care if Weinstein “hangs” all too conveniently forget that the Two Minute Hate against Brett Kavanaugh was eerily similar when he was lambasted as a “rapist” by liberals across the country. The Democratic Senators would have gladly helped put Kavanaugh in jail if it were indeed possible/practical and would help them score political points.

So, please, someone be succinct and tell us matter-of-factly how Weinstein was fairly proven as a rapist beyond reasonable doubt and why this is not a case of feelings over properly articulated facts.

That's what i want as well.

what's the evidence besides womens tears ?
What's the corroboration with the evidence besides "muh feels"

I don't want destruction of 1 evil, with another...kinda likened how a octopus tentacle will lose its arm and grow it back when in dangerous positions, or when a predatory jungle cat will gnaw its paw off to save its life
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
jeffreyjerpp said:
Lace em up said:
Found guilty of third degree rape and sexual assault charge. Possible sentence of 25 years. 2 more cases in California.

He is fucked, and so is any other straight man accused of something like this*.

No hard evidence required, no use of force, just women crying and complaining in an industry that operates as a de facto prostitution racket.

*who doesn't understand the reality of why you NEVER talk to police, anyways:

Not talking to the police isn't going to save you from arrest or prosecution, regardless of what some law professor says.

My opinion is that if people like Weinstein are branded with the label "rapist," that undermines and minimizes real (i.e. forcible) rape victims.

But I am starting to come around to Leonard's point of view that the only men who would be worried about this are degenerates. It is easy to avoid false rape charges if you only have sex with your wife.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
"The term rape originates from the Latin rapere (supine stem raptum), "to snatch, to grab, to carry off". Since the 14th century, the term has come to mean "to seize and take away by force". In Roman law, the carrying off of a woman by force, with or without intercourse, constituted "raptus"."

-Wiki

Take away, carry off, force. These are the key words here. Not regret, greed, fame, money, revenge. These women are not any better than Weinstein. Weinstein couldn`t physically force himself upon or carry off a retarded old squirrel. These women gave consent. Quid pro quo.
 

CaptainS

Hummingbird
pitbullowner said:
I want proof so i can rest assured we can take this (((cabal))) down one loser at a time so nothing can be said against the movement against it.

The proof doesn't exist. There was no evidence whatsoever, only tearful "testimony" by actresses...people trained to give teary speeches.

Jurors heard emotional testimony, including from actress Annabella Sciorra, who told the court that Weinstein raped her after shoving his way into her Manhattan apartment.

“I was trying to get him off me,” Sciorra testified. “I was punching him, kicking him."

Punching and kicking would have produced defensive wounds. In many cases, bruises lasting well over a week, perhaps even some wrist damage. Curious that she never took pictures or showed them to any friends or family.


Leonard D Neubache said:
You're still missing the fact that the only people with any dog in this fight are the ones wealthy enough to have a lawyer on retainer.

The idea that because Harv is famous that he's entitled to a "better" version of the justice system because it helps everyone believe in it a little more is going to ring hollow to anyone who isn't picking their next lawyer out of a telephone book.

If anything, Harvey got worse justice than the average guy. If Harvey wasn't famous, this would have never been prosecuted. The police would take a report and the prosecutor would drop it - unless evidence is produced.

Harvey was targeted, same as Bill Cosby. Meanwhile, Bryan Singer is out there raping boys...well protected by the same people in Hollywood vilifying Harvey.
 

The Resilient

Ostrich
Orthodox
Captainstabbin said:
pitbullowner said:
I want proof so i can rest assured we can take this (((cabal))) down one loser at a time so nothing can be said against the movement against it.

The proof doesn't exist. There was no evidence whatsoever, only tearful "testimony" by actresses...people trained to give teary speeches.

Jurors heard emotional testimony, including from actress Annabella Sciorra, who told the court that Weinstein raped her after shoving his way into her Manhattan apartment.

“I was trying to get him off me,” Sciorra testified. “I was punching him, kicking him."

Punching and kicking would have produced defensive wounds. In many cases, bruises lasting well over a week, perhaps even some wrist damage. Curious that she never took pictures or showed them to any friends or family.


Leonard D Neubache said:
You're still missing the fact that the only people with any dog in this fight are the ones wealthy enough to have a lawyer on retainer.

The idea that because Harv is famous that he's entitled to a "better" version of the justice system because it helps everyone believe in it a little more is going to ring hollow to anyone who isn't picking their next lawyer out of a telephone book.

If anything, Harvey got worse justice than the average guy. If Harvey wasn't famous, this would have never been prosecuted. The police would take a report and the prosecutor would drop it - unless evidence is produced.

Harvey was targeted, same as Bill Cosby. Meanwhile, Bryan Singer is out there raping boys...well protected by the same people in Hollywood vilifying Harvey.

some idealistic Q-tard is gonna say this is 4D chess or something to get the other branches and maybe make weinstein squeal. about the others....

that's the naive hopeful side of me expressing idealism at least


the cynic in me says:
It's just a failure in our penal system if you ask me. I just wanna know what (((they're))) setting the next serve to spike is.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
Johnnyvee said:
"The term rape originates from the Latin rapere (supine stem raptum), "to snatch, to grab, to carry off". Since the 14th century, the term has come to mean "to seize and take away by force". In Roman law, the carrying off of a woman by force, with or without intercourse, constituted "raptus"."

-Wiki

Take way, carry off, force. These are the key words here. Not regret, greed, fame, money, revenge. These women are not any better than Weinstein. Weinstein couldn`t physically force himself upon or carry off a retarded old squirrel. These women gave consent. Quid pro quo.

Yeah, OK, that's all true, but just don't be a degenerate and this won't happen to you.

"But Rob, the women Weinstein slept with are just as degenerate as he is, and they're not going to jail. How unfair!"

Yes, it's unfair. Life is unfair. Luckily, there is an easy way to not end up in Weinstein's position. Don't be a degenerate and don't fornicate or have casual sex.

There are bigger evils to worry about than some degenerate being labeled an "evil rapist" when really he is just an evil degenerate.

In my opinion, the most evil thing about this is that true rape victims (i.e. women who have been forced, kicking and screaming, to have sex against their will) will be undermined. If I learn a woman has been raped, I'm going to assume it means she had sex and regretted it and I am going to look down on her.

True rape victims are innocent victims. Men accused of rape, on the other hand, are victims, but they can easily avoid these situations by just not being degenerates, so it is harder to feel bad for them.

If you were to give these falsely accused men the option to live in a traditional society where you couldn't have sex before marriage, I bet 99% of them would refuse and they would fight tooth and nail to preserve modern access to casual sex.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Rob Banks said:
Johnnyvee said:
"The term rape originates from the Latin rapere (supine stem raptum), "to snatch, to grab, to carry off". Since the 14th century, the term has come to mean "to seize and take away by force". In Roman law, the carrying off of a woman by force, with or without intercourse, constituted "raptus"."

-Wiki

Take way, carry off, force. These are the key words here. Not regret, greed, fame, money, revenge. These women are not any better than Weinstein. Weinstein couldn`t physically force himself upon or carry off a retarded old squirrel. These women gave consent. Quid pro quo.

Yeah, OK, that's all true, but just don't be a degenerate and this won't happen to you.

"But Rob, the women Weinstein slept with are just as degenerate as he is, and they're not going to jail. How unfair!"

Yes, it's unfair. Life is unfair. Luckily, there is an easy way to not end up in Weinstein's position. Don't be a degenerate and don't fornicate or have casual sex.

Men get accused and sentenced for alleged rapes of wives and girlfriends all the time now. Being married is no guarantee anymore. No hard evidence needed. (no pun)
 

CaptainS

Hummingbird
pitbullowner said:
some idealistic Q-tard is gonna say this is 4D chess or something to get the other branches and maybe make weinstein squeal. about the others....

that's the naive hopeful side of me expressing idealism at least

A friend just told me, "Hey, whatever we have to do to bring down someone like Harvey."

Works great until someone comes after you. Rape trials will now be conducted like the collage campus courts. "Well, she says you did it. We don't need evidence."
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
The difference between Weinstein and the average schmuck who gets blackballed is that Weinstein's victimsis list of accusers is literally 100 deep, and he hired Mosad thugs to intimidate and threaten many of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Weinstein_sexual_abuse_cases#Accusers

Some of these women did fully consent to the casting couch, but many if not most were coerced, then discouraged from complaining due to the power differential on one hand and their career prospects on the other, he used both the carrot and the stick.

You guys are throwing the baby with the bathwater here, sure false accusations are a thing, but it doesn't mean that real rapists like him should walk. The odds of him being guilty of rape are way above 99.9%.
 

The Resilient

Ostrich
Orthodox
Captainstabbin said:
"Well, she says you did it. We don't need evidence."

There's the rub. The system was destroyed with this emergency...now lawyers have a way to utterly destroy men with this horrible example that they can cite from here on out, and it'll get jammed up in legislation for what constitutes innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Civil liberties have been trampled because of emotional appeal.
god i hate these cretins


Oh and i agree with you @911... But i am kinda afraid of how some twisted lawyer can already ruin the overton window of legal balance we currently may have had in the favor of civil liberties
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
Johnnyvee said:
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Men get accused and sentenced for alleged rapes of wives and girlfriends all the time now. Being married is no guarantee anymore. No hard evidence needed. (no pun)

Don't have sex with a "girlfriend" (i.e. fornicate) and don't marry a woman you can't trust.

Problem solved.

Seriously, if you can't trust the woman you marry to not have you thrown in jail and branded a rapist, then you seriously have issues when it comes to choosing/trusting the right woman.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Rob Banks said:
Johnnyvee said:
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Men get accused and sentenced for alleged rapes of wives and girlfriends all the time now. Being married is no guarantee anymore. No hard evidence needed. (no pun)

Don't have sex with a "girlfriend" (i.e. fornicate) and don't marry a woman you can't trust.

Problem solved.

And where do you find these eternally trustworthy women I might ask?
 

The Resilient

Ostrich
Orthodox
Rob Banks said:
Johnnyvee said:
...
Men get accused and sentenced for alleged rapes of wives and girlfriends all the time now. Being married is no guarantee anymore. No hard evidence needed. (no pun)

Don't have sex with a "girlfriend" (i.e. fornicate) and don't marry a woman you can't trust.

Problem solved.


Amazing how Christianity seemingly thought all this stuff ahead of time beforehand. right ? (seriously)

but people need to legit vet their women, and if they're salvagable , go to work immediately on reprogramming their destructive behaviours, and go about encouraging their productive ones.
 

jeffreyjerpp

Kingfisher
Rob Banks said:
Not talking to the police isn't going to save you from arrest or prosecution, regardless of what some law professor says.

My opinion is that if people like Weinstein are branded with the label "rapist," that undermines and minimizes real (i.e. forcible) rape victims.

But I am starting to come around to Leonard's point of view that the only men who would be worried about this are degenerates. It is easy to avoid false rape charges if you only have sex with your wife.

It absolutely can save men from arrest/prosecution, and it is dangerous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason many of these cases are not prosecuted, and that is the almost total lack of hard evidence. Weinstein's extensive emails ordering private investigators to surveil and harass women probably did him no favors, it makes him look guilty as fuck. Add onto that media demonization and the fact that he is physically repulsive....there you go.
 

AneroidOcean

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Rob Banks said:
But I am starting to come around to Leonard's point of view that the only men who would be worried about this are degenerates. It is easy to avoid false rape charges if you only have sex with your wife.

I've been woken up by a mostly naked woman and had to physically push her off of me and minutes later she told another person that I had tried to have sex with her.

It's easy to avoid false rape charges in a society that treats people as innocent until PROVEN guilty.

It's not easy to avoid false rape charges in the current society, whether you have a wife and only have sex with them or not.

You clearly have never experienced the duplicity of people, especially of women.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Not getting dead drunk and passing out in a strangers' bedroom at dodgy parties is one easy way to avoid false rape charges.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
jeffreyjerpp said:
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It absolutely can save men from arrest/prosecution, and it is dangerous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason many of these cases are not prosecuted, and that is the almost total lack of hard evidence. Weinstein's extensive emails ordering private investigators to surveil and harass women probably did him no favors, it makes him look guilty as fuck. Add onto that media demonization and the fact that he is physically repulsive....there you go.

You're right. I didn't mean to suggest that you should talk to the police and not worry what you say to them. Yes, talking to them can seriously fuck you over and a lot of accused criminals are too stupid to realize that.

I just meant that if you're doing stupid things (for example having casual sex with damaged women) then you can end up in jail even if you never say a word to the cops and even if the woman is clearly lying about you raping her.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
AneroidOcean said:
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It's not easy to avoid false rape charges in the current society, whether you have a wife and only have sex with them or not.
...

If you only marry a woman who you can trust not to accuse you of rape (not a very high bar considering this is the woman you're marrying) and you don't have sex with anyone besides her, then it absolutely is easy to avoid false rape charges.

When you get married, you're supposed to be able to trust the woman to be a good mother to your children. How can you do that if you can't even trust her to not have you thrown in jail for 25 years on false charges?

To the people saying that it is impossible to find a trustworthy woman in this day and age:

I don't know what the solution is. Maybe meeting a woman through church or other wholesome activities is the way to go. Maybe you should go abroad to a more traditional country and find a wife there. I don't know. I don't really have any solid advice when it comes to meeting a good wife. But what I do know is that the solution is not settling for a woman you can't trust, and it is also not giving up on marriage and pursuing casual sex.
 
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