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<blockquote data-quote="Pantheon" data-source="post: 1532526" data-attributes="member: 20083">It seems this confusion comes from viewing the body exclusively in an outer, mechanistic lens - from the &quot;objective&quot; lens of science, which merely tries to depict the body and mind technically and biochemically - and then reducing psychology to a subset of man as a biological apparatus. It is a consequence of atheism and materialism, but how many can see it? Science answers how nature works, behaves and what it is made of, not what it is (which is a living experience). If one wants to address the inner cause of a psychological disorder - one must of course do so from an experiental pov, by examining the emotional life and personal history of the patient. In public healthcare, there is not really any place for such spiritual and personal inquiries. The &quot;quick-fix&quot; mostly seems to be CBT - altering the behavioral patterns of the patient, coupled with drugs. There is nothing wrong with that per se - but it does indeed not get to the bottom of the matter. For this, you would need actual psychotherapy, but how many incapacitated mentally ill young adults can afford that? Such private therapy is only available to people who are already established parts of society with a stable income (thus integrated into the system) - not people who are casualties of the system. Traditionally, such a &quot;Jungian&quot; (in modern terms) type of therapy where the therapist truly engages with the patient's life was the role of the priest or spiritual father - for free - and still is, in the Orthodox Church. So you are absolutely right that only the Orthodox Church can save a person's soul today without medicating him or demanding his money. Modern psychiatry is indeed a soul-denying medical sorcery. You are an object, nothing more - yet this kind of soul damning desolation and futility is exactly what most people want. Happy are the monks and hermits who die in peace - far away from modern hospitals.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pantheon, post: 1532526, member: 20083"] It seems this confusion comes from viewing the body exclusively in an outer, mechanistic lens - from the "objective" lens of science, which merely tries to depict the body and mind technically and biochemically - and then reducing psychology to a subset of man as a biological apparatus. It is a consequence of atheism and materialism, but how many can see it? Science answers how nature works, behaves and what it is made of, not what it is (which is a living experience). If one wants to address the inner cause of a psychological disorder - one must of course do so from an experiental pov, by examining the emotional life and personal history of the patient. In public healthcare, there is not really any place for such spiritual and personal inquiries. The "quick-fix" mostly seems to be CBT - altering the behavioral patterns of the patient, coupled with drugs. There is nothing wrong with that per se - but it does indeed not get to the bottom of the matter. For this, you would need actual psychotherapy, but how many incapacitated mentally ill young adults can afford that? Such private therapy is only available to people who are already established parts of society with a stable income (thus integrated into the system) - not people who are casualties of the system. Traditionally, such a "Jungian" (in modern terms) type of therapy where the therapist truly engages with the patient's life was the role of the [I]priest[/I] or spiritual father - for [I]free[/I] - and still is, in the Orthodox Church. So you are absolutely right that only the Orthodox Church can save a person's soul today without medicating him or demanding his money. Modern psychiatry is indeed a soul-denying medical sorcery. You are an object, nothing more - yet this kind of soul damning desolation and futility is exactly what most people want. Happy are the monks and hermits who die in peace - far away from modern hospitals. [/QUOTE]

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