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<blockquote data-quote="Going strong" data-source="post: 1532561" data-attributes="member: 8200">That's in substance what I said, grief/hardships indeed are a natural part of life. One has to accept them, endure (preferably in silence, or only sharing with one's priest or closest male friends). Going to see a shrink should be unthinkable, at least for people over 35 born in Conservative Christian families, it is.Where you've lost me is on the &quot;feminist&quot; part.According to you, saying to someone &quot;man up&quot; is a feminine thing??I would think quite the contrary. Actually, feminists tell men just the contrary, they tell them that &quot;men cry too, it's OK to cry and be mellow&quot;.And so, according to your logic, the petty officers that told us, in the army, to &quot;man up and shut up&quot; each (unusual) time we soldiers would grumble or complain, were &quot;feminists&quot;?OK, so I guess in your experience the feminists tell men to &quot;be real men, never cry nor complain nor go see a shrink&quot;. In my experience, it's real Conservative men who advise this.In any case, I maintain that the people most guilty in all this psychiatry thing, are probably not the shrinks themselves (mere crooks, in for the money) but the (adult) Western-world people weak-minded (and spiritually weak, too) enough to go see them, pay them, and gulp down the strange pills they are offered.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Going strong, post: 1532561, member: 8200"] That's in substance what I said, grief/hardships indeed are a natural part of life. One has to accept them, endure (preferably in silence, or only sharing with one's priest or closest male friends). Going to see a shrink should be unthinkable, at least for people over 35 born in Conservative Christian families, it is. Where you've lost me is on the "feminist" part. According to you, saying to someone "man up" is a feminine thing?? I would think quite the contrary. Actually, feminists tell men just the contrary, they tell them that "men cry too, it's OK to cry and be mellow". And so, according to your logic, the petty officers that told us, in the army, to "man up and shut up" each (unusual) time we soldiers would grumble or complain, were "feminists"? OK, so I guess in your experience the [I]feminists[/I] tell men to "be real men, never cry nor complain nor go see a shrink". In my experience, it's real Conservative men who advise this. In any case, I maintain that the people most guilty in all this psychiatry thing, are probably not the shrinks themselves (mere crooks, in for the money) but the (adult) Western-world people weak-minded (and spiritually weak, too) enough to go see them, pay them, and gulp down the strange pills they are offered. [/QUOTE]

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