Monarchy vs Democracy

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
The Bolsheviks were demon-possessed psychopaths who caused more harm and suffering to other human beings than any other group in the 20th century. Anyone justifying their actions is someone to stay far, far away from.

Indeed. And this goes to show the real Bloodlust that motivates such wickedness. Evil doesn't hesitate or care about mountains of skulls unless they are stopped.

Exterminating the Royalty and Aristocracy and hunting down every last one of them at least those who would qualify for succession to the Throne is not unprecedented.

What Royal or Aristocratic Restoration could there be if everyone of said blood who would qualify for succession is dead?

If they were still alive. They will not rest until every last Romanov is killed.
 

Caramasão

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
Very good essay by the Russian thinker Ivan Ilyin on democracy.

 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
The Bolsheviks were demon-possessed psychopaths who caused more harm and suffering to other human beings than any other group in the 20th century. Anyone justifying their actions is someone to stay far, far away from.
It's really interesting how education and hence the information supply guides people's thinking, hence their actions, hence the results on an individual and societal level. In Europe for sure it's all the Nazi's, the commies are barely if not at all touched on in basic education. 99% of people has no idea about what happened in the East.
 

Cosmic Meatball

Pigeon
Gnostic or New Age
I'm going to be honest.

I don't have a high enough time preference to watch a video that long.

I will say that democracy is essentially a snake eating its own tail. The speed of its demise is only limited by it's appetite.

I never used to be a monarchist but now I see real value in being able to place blame where it will stick and not with an endlessly churning clutch of political rodents, all working together to create a tyranny while none in particular being culpable enough to hang.



I live in the UK where we have a democracy and a monarchy. I think both have their problems.

Democracy is indeed like the snake eating its own tail. I've never had much faith in the system. I don't see what difference your vote makes when all the government representatives go off to Davos every year to get their marching orders from "philanthropists" like Bill Gates and other shareholders in various massive corporations. Furthermore, most people are simply too stooped to be allowed a vote on bigger issues that affect everyone. People voting without knowing anything about their party's proposed policies etc. In reality democracy in western societies is nothing more than an illusion. In reality we have nothing but socialism for the rich.

I'm not in favour of a monarchy either. Especially since it seems that they, like these phony government representatives, seem to be self serving cretins who are only interested in their own power and relentless acquisition of more wealth.

The Queen for example when there was a fire at Buckingham Palace in 1992 they tried to make the British tax payer pay for the costs of restoration of the building. But people didn't like that. So they made the Queen a British tax payer as well and everyone was happy to pay for the costs. Now the Queen Banks all her money offshore and doesn't pay tax. Surprise surprise. More evil and greed!

During her most recent platinum jubilee they had a hologram of the Queen sitting in a golden carriage parading the streets while literally two streets away there would be someone starving to death.
 

Jive Turkey

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen



This is an awesome video with regards to monarchy, the whole channel is actually about monarchy. Very well researched videos.

When I came to Orthodoxy I was kind of a believer in limited democracy, such as we had at the founding of the nation. But he makes a strong case for monarchy. Worth checking out for sure. Would love to see @MichaelWitcoff collab with him one day
 

Dante Wren

Pigeon
Orthodox
The Queen for example when there was a fire at Buckingham Palace in 1992 they tried to make the British tax payer pay for the costs of restoration of the building. But people didn't like that. So they made the Queen a British tax payer as well and everyone was happy to pay for the costs. Now the Queen Banks all her money offshore and doesn't pay tax. Surprise surprise. More evil and greed!
Yes, but now substitute Jesus Christ as King.
What is your opinion of monarchy in that context?
 

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
@Cosmic Meatball In the UK there is not a monarchy of the patriotic, masculine, traditional, patriarchic, theocratic, conservative kind, as in Russia, Iran, China, Japan, and other Asian countries. In the UK there is merely a democratic-globalist kind of government LARPing as a monarchy. The British monarch is just a figure head, a dignified celebrity.
 

TCOCBR18

Sparrow
Orthodox
I feel like this comment is a bit less intellectual than most of the content of this thread, but it's just an opinion I have on monarchies. Monarchy gives the common man, the little man, the average Joe, a personal relationship with the power ruling him. Power is embodied by an actual, breathing person, not a series of organizations with different acronyms as their names. A modern paradox is that though democracy's central claim is to empower each person to contribute in directing the affairs of society, I really think it has the opposite effect. Or rather, it eventually becomes opposite in its effect, because I think in earlier versions of American democracy people really did feel engaged with society, but now if you ask the average person nobody feels like they have any relationship to the ruling class at all, unless you are a progressive. Actually, even progressives are convinced they have no systemic influence and that everything is corporate-directed.
In a monarchy (as long as its not just a ceremonial monarchy), political power has a human name. You pray for your monarch, and can even speak to him. We now have the president as the closest thing to a human embodiment of the nation, but I think we can all agree that is not anything close to the same thing.
 

Cynllo

Kingfisher
Other Christian
K8kBmm7pVKed.jpeg
 

Akaky Akakievitch

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
@Cosmic Meatball In the UK there is not a monarchy of the patriotic, masculine, traditional, patriarchic, theocratic, conservative kind, as in Russia, Iran, China, Japan, and other Asian countries. In the UK there is merely a democratic-globalist kind of government LARPing as a monarchy. The British monarch is just a figure head, a dignified celebrity.

It's a sad case in the UK, because they never used to be so worldly and weak. If they kept out of the gossip mags and maintained their separateness from society, like they used to in centuries past, then we might have a monarchy worth some clout.

I mean let's not forget that King George V was first cousins with Saint Tsar Nicholas II. And they looked identical too...

1658484036110.png

By refusing to help Saint Nicholas during the Revolutionary period, Britain continued their slow steady decline towards what we see today. If King George V actually plucked up the courage to provide him shelter from bloodthirsty communists, we may have had a different fate here in Britain. But of course, Tsar Nicholas's martyrdom had to happen. It was emblematic of how true monarchy has gone for good, in preparation for the end times we are living through.

I was discussing the question of monarchy with some elderly English neighbours recently, and it never occurred to me until very recently that not only does monarchy create a more personal relationship with their rulers, as someone mentioned above, but having a family as the figurehead is hugely impactful on the society.

In a republic, you get a man in a suit, and his 'First Lady' and then maybe there are some children, or not, or maybe they've been divorced but who cares - it's kind of secondary to how they run the Government, more like how a businessman conducts his affairs at work but we don't pry too much into his personal life, though of course it does have some importance, but as long as he does the job well we don't care all that much.

When we have a Royal Family at the head of society, with a King and Queen and princes/princesses etc., then we have the true ideal of all citizens in the nation - to raise a perfect family just like them. Much like how we strive to be like Christ, the ideal example of man, and though we might not literally attain it, we always strive towards it. That is the real power of monarchy, that it is a super-normal family that rules things, similar to us but given the divine right to rule that makes them 'seperate', somewhat 'holy' if you like, almost like an intercessor between heaven and earth by carrying out God's will, and not given power because they have an impressive CV or nice-looking suit.

Monarchy is really the only rational way to run anything long-term. The longer that Republics ignore God or glaze over His presence in political matters, the sooner they will eventually be led to ruin.

I'm not sure there's any return to an ideal monarchy like we used to have in Holy Russia for example, an autocratic Orthodox Christian King. I think it's gone for good. The next monarch that most people will pay attention to in the future will be the one sitting at the head of the one world government, one world religion and one world bank, and i'm sure i dont have to mention his name, but you know who i mean.
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
God save the Queen. I'm Canadian and it's a fact of life for those in the commonwealth.

For Americans, Her Royal Highness Elizabeth II is your queen. If you espouse Monarchy, but respect the rebellion of 1776 then well...
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
God save the Queen. I'm Canadian and it's a fact of life for those in the commonwealth.

For Americans, Her Royal Highness Elizabeth II is your queen. If you espouse Monarchy, but respect the rebellion of 1776 then well...
Isn’t the current British Royal Family just usurpers?
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
They are not even British. Aren't they of German descent? The Royal Family are just sponges who serve no purpose. There is no place for them in a supposed democracy.

Well you definitely aren't a monarchist then. My comment was directed to those who were.

Yes they are Germans, of Royal Blood lines. I don't really have a full grasp of the details of the history. But they are clearly the reigning royalty.
 

Akaky Akakievitch

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
What would that fate be?

My first thoughts were that God may been more merciful to Britain and her fate overall, if George V showed compassion to Tsar Nicholas and gave him refuge, overlooking all other matters and simply doing it out of love.

I just rewatched a video on what George V’s motives were (shown towards the end), and I forgot that the official reason was to do with preserving the British royal household at all costs. They did not want to be associated with a deposed monarch (Tsar Nicholas) as it would only stoke the flame of the republicans and revolutionaries who wanted to remove the monarchy in Britain altogether, as they’d just done in Russia. It would be very bad PR, to be seen harbouring him and his family, even though he was a beloved relative. George V felt there was no other choice but to turn him away - which lead to Saint Nicholas’ martyrdom not long after.

It was this self-preservation that they exalted above their Christian duty of brotherly love, in hindsight. I understand their motives and how this was a sensitive time for monarchy, but what exactly have they self-preserved in this current era? George VI seemed to retain dignity and tradition, and Elizabeth II to some extent, but it’s only deteriorated since her reign. I understand they’re power is mostly symbolic but they still wield massive influence. They’ve been either too aloof or too worldly when it comes to important issues, and they play to populists and the mainstream narrative, rather than stand in truth.

The nail in the coffin of our current Royal Family for me was the release of the 50p ‘pride’ coin, celebrating fifty years of gay pride. On one side: the Queen’s head - and on the other: gay rainbows. By proxy, the Anglican Church too is now without foundations but they have also been in steady decline as well, running parallel to the monarchy.

In summary, God may have been more kind to our fate, if the British monarchs had not been so self-interested at that critical time, that’s what I meant by that comment. It’s pure speculation really, but I can’t help thinking things would have been better for us overall.

The British monarchy could have perhaps abdicated with honour and integrity during this unstable period, rather than remain in position, go inwards and turn sour like they have.
 
Top