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<blockquote data-quote="Richard Turpin" data-source="post: 1185155" data-attributes="member: 13794"><p>“Hierarchies are celestial. In hell all are equal.” </p><p>― Nicolás Gómez Dávila *</p><p></p><p>Some great insights here. Growing up I completely bought into democracy and my younger self would view anyone who thought otherwise as being some kind of 'nut'. Well, I've eventually become a 'nut' as like others I can only see democracy going the same way wherever it's tried. Because I was young once, I can see how easily (and inexorably) the young will always gravitate towards it.</p><p></p><p>At least with Monarchy and feudalism, if you're unlucky enough to live under a bad King, you only have to get rid of one guy. This is what happened all the time. You can't do the same with a government or the swamp dwellers that prop it up.</p><p></p><p>I just don't think we should even try and pursue something as nebulous as 'Equality' in the first place. Such a thing doesn't exist in nature. The Declaration of Independence (for example) was forced to hold 'these truths to be self-evident' only because they couldn't find a single real-life, natural or historical example to cite. Those truths were so 'self-evident' that they couldn't even prove it.</p><p></p><p>'Fairness' on the other hand, by that I mean 'fairness within the law'. Well, that's achievable and a great incentive for any citizen to want to contribute to his particular society. Sympathy, Compassion and Charity? We need these qualities to flow down from the top, but without religion nowadays to do the heavy lifting, that's tricky to propagate. If we choose not to re-vitalise religion, we need to replace it with something useful.</p><p></p><p>I like Heinlein's ideas about earning voting rights very much. I also like the idea I've seen on other threads of only having one vote per family unit (the father casting it). Apologies to whoever mentioned it recently, I've forgotten the thread now.</p><p></p><p>Good to see Talebs ideas mentioned earlier. With democracies eventually leading to a one-world government, all 7.6 billion of us will find ourselves in an extremely 'anti-fragile' place indeed. </p><p></p><p></p><p>* Check out Davila's other awesome aphorisms on this site I've found when looking for the author;</p><p></p><p><a href="https://don-colacho.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">https://don-colacho.blogspot.com/</a></p><p></p><p>e.g.</p><p></p><p>#2,981</p><p>The voter does not even vote for what he wants; he only votes for what he thinks he wants.</p><p></p><p>#2,973</p><p>In the modern state there now exist only two parties: citizens and bureaucracy.</p><p></p><p>#2,728</p><p>Among those elected by popular suffrage only the imbeciles are respectable, because the intelligent man had to lie in order to be elected.</p><p></p><p>and this one particularly tickled me;</p><p></p><p>#2,900</p><p>Monarchs, in almost every dynasty, have been so mediocre that they look like presidents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Richard Turpin, post: 1185155, member: 13794"] “Hierarchies are celestial. In hell all are equal.” ― Nicolás Gómez Dávila * Some great insights here. Growing up I completely bought into democracy and my younger self would view anyone who thought otherwise as being some kind of 'nut'. Well, I've eventually become a 'nut' as like others I can only see democracy going the same way wherever it's tried. Because I was young once, I can see how easily (and inexorably) the young will always gravitate towards it. At least with Monarchy and feudalism, if you're unlucky enough to live under a bad King, you only have to get rid of one guy. This is what happened all the time. You can't do the same with a government or the swamp dwellers that prop it up. I just don't think we should even try and pursue something as nebulous as 'Equality' in the first place. Such a thing doesn't exist in nature. The Declaration of Independence (for example) was forced to hold 'these truths to be self-evident' only because they couldn't find a single real-life, natural or historical example to cite. Those truths were so 'self-evident' that they couldn't even prove it. 'Fairness' on the other hand, by that I mean 'fairness within the law'. Well, that's achievable and a great incentive for any citizen to want to contribute to his particular society. Sympathy, Compassion and Charity? We need these qualities to flow down from the top, but without religion nowadays to do the heavy lifting, that's tricky to propagate. If we choose not to re-vitalise religion, we need to replace it with something useful. I like Heinlein's ideas about earning voting rights very much. I also like the idea I've seen on other threads of only having one vote per family unit (the father casting it). Apologies to whoever mentioned it recently, I've forgotten the thread now. Good to see Talebs ideas mentioned earlier. With democracies eventually leading to a one-world government, all 7.6 billion of us will find ourselves in an extremely 'anti-fragile' place indeed. * Check out Davila's other awesome aphorisms on this site I've found when looking for the author; [URL]https://don-colacho.blogspot.com/[/URL] e.g. #2,981 The voter does not even vote for what he wants; he only votes for what he thinks he wants. #2,973 In the modern state there now exist only two parties: citizens and bureaucracy. #2,728 Among those elected by popular suffrage only the imbeciles are respectable, because the intelligent man had to lie in order to be elected. and this one particularly tickled me; #2,900 Monarchs, in almost every dynasty, have been so mediocre that they look like presidents. [/QUOTE]
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