Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.

[Guitarman]

What has worked for me over the last six months is a combination of the LCHF ( low carb high fat) diet, cutting down on beer a lot and intermittent fasting and full fasting. Right now I'm 22 hours into a 24 hour fast. Only lemon water and coffee.

I don't feel hungry, I feel full of energy. I'm planning on doing a 48 hour fast to step things up.

Doing this regime I've lost three stone over the last six or seven months. One stone is 14lb so that would be around 40-45lb.

This is with no exercise other than walking and my job which at times is physical. I only ever get really hungry when on an extended fast and I've been mostly in ketosis for the last six or seven months.

LCHF is the easiest diet with the best food. It also helps depression and I'm sure bacon and eggs, steak with veggies ( no starches) eggs, salads and all the other tasty food will lift your spirits and lose your pounds as well.

Give it a go!!!

 

[Guitarman]

Oh and I haven't calorie counted. Just eaten till full when genuinely hungry.

 

[debeguiled]

The feminists would hang their heads in shame if they knew what sort of things men really talk about when they are not around.

 

[youngblazer]

I would recommend going to Overeaters Anonymous meetings, not sure if they have English-speaking ones in Japan though.

And maybe get on some anti-depressants.

 

[Rocha]

Something that might work out is for you to go out to clubs and bars constantly, and approach, approach and approach.
When you will see the cutie that rejected you being swooped by a fit guy, it should be enough to trigger your inner rage and will to become a better version of yourself.

 

[ElFlaco]

I am simply floored by all the positive and encouraging comments and advice.

This is why I love this forum. A parallel forum for women would just be 'great at any size' or petty backstabbing.

I was feeling so down and hopeless and the idea of even starting down the path of getting healthy seemed insurmountable. But my attitude feels like night and day compared to yesterday. I felt utterly on my own but now I feel like I have the support of a community of men that genuinely wants me to succeed.

Don't give too much credence to your feelings and mood swings. They are more driven by what you're eating than you may realize. Just commit to executing your plan regardless of how you feel at the moment.

I second the other posters who have suggested avoiding added sugar, not just because of the calories but because a low-carb diet seems to leave you less hungry. That will help you control binge eating.
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[Simeon_Strangelight]

I am simply floored by all the positive and encouraging comments and advice.

This is why I love this forum. A parallel forum for women would just be 'great at any size' or petty backstabbing.

Of course we want other men to succeed. Generally the male psyche is primed for competition, but the thing is this - our Red Pill Neomasculine pussy and Game loving group is tiny anyway (in this world filled with Blue Pillers, SJWs, Game deniers etc.). In a way many men here have formed a tribe and a tribe helps each other out to become stronger. That is also part of the male psyche aside from the urge to compete.

 

[Transsimian]

Something that might work out is for you to go out to clubs and bars constantly, and approach, approach and approach.
When you will see the cutie that rejected you being swooped by a fit guy, it should be enough to trigger your inner rage and will to become a better version of yourself.

Or it'll damage his self esteem and perception of improvement.

Due to the 80:20 rule, I was still unattractive to most girls when I was only moderately fat, even though I had lost a significant amount of weight.

 

[Kona]

You are in Japan, and mention you need to find an English speaking therapist. Is that a good idea? Do you need to be in Japan? If you don't speak Japanese this just seems pretty difficult.

Also, I bet everyone there looks at you funny. That probably leads to some discomfort. Why don't you move to Omaha or st. Louis where there's many other people with your issues, and many more treatment options.

There's a difference between being able to live and love in a foreign language, and being able to fully understand therapy in it.

I think psychologically he might be healthier in America, but the normalisation of obesity won't help him lose weight.

That didn't come out the way I wanted it to.

I've been in Japan with big dudes. People stare. One of my cousins came to visit and people wanted their picture taken with him. People asked if he was Akebono.

I understand wanting to be a certain place you love, but if your body needs a change, and this guys does, go where its easier.

This guy should come to Hawaii. Lots of Japanese people/stuff here. Lots of weight loss doctors and endless swimming. Its never too cold to go outside.

Aloha!

 

[Tengen]

Just happened to watch this recently. Fascinating, but watch the whole thing and keep in mind the caveats (e.g. pre-existing medical conditions).

 

[etwsake]

Kona, I would absolutely love to live in Hawaii...wouldn't everyone? Too expensive though. But there would be a never ending supply of Japanese girls at least.

Speaking of girls, I haven't even thought about Game or approaching in months. It's not even on my radar right now. My last lay was back in August and it was just a one-nighter with a a post-wall 38 year old pudgy Japanese chick. Nothing to write home about.

Honestly, I'm so self-conscious about how I look right now I doubt I'd even be able to get over performance anxiety. I've been concerned the last few years anyway cause I'm pushing 40, but I know that plenty of guys here still crush it well into their 40s. But not if they're fat! (I'm generalizing but you guys know what I mean.)

I'm putting my health/appearance first above everything else, and when I get that closer to how I want it, then I can think about approaching again. I'll feel comfortable enough at 250 to start. Still fat, but not disgusting. If/when I get down to 200 or under? That's when I'll close this thread and take up residence in the "Older Guys" Game thread.

Gonna be a while though.

As for the "water diet"....I have no doubt it would work, if I somehow woke up with the superhuman will power necessary to not eat a bite of food for an entire month and still lead a regular life. Who does that, other than inmates doing hunger strikes? That just seems retarded. Of course starving yourself is going to lead to dramatic weight loss, but it's impossible to maintain, and that's assuming it doesn't kill you or permanently fuck up your insides.

Interesting video though. That guy is crazy. Can't believe he really didn't eat a scrap of food for a month. My old yoga instructor used to do a week or two at a time, but the longest I've ever gone was over 48 hours and the hunger pangs were killing me.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Just happened to watch this recently. Fascinating, but watch the whole thing and keep in mind the caveats (e.g. pre-existing medical conditions).

There is a study in the other thread I linked to a man who ate nothing for 365 days. That guy was obese and his progress was monitored by a crew of physicians.

But keep in mind that the guy took in a good dosage of supplements, Omega 3 acids and protein powder to get the minimum amount of protein in. The body very soon adapted to the fact that it had to use the fat tissue for sustenance. The only thing that he had to do though is a modest daily regimen of some lifting, so that the body would not start cannibalizing muscle tissue too much.

http://www.menshealth.com/health/craziest-diet-ever

PD Mangan from RogueHealthfitness writes about it a lot. We know now that intermittent fasting is surprisingly healthy, which explains why one meal per day actually works so well. This idea of 5 meals per day likely came out of the regimen of competitive bodybuilders and even then I am not sure about the effectiveness, because the body needs 16 hours of no carb-intake to start burning internal fat fast.

I personally tested this out myself by the way and went 10 days without food - I just had flaxseeds and protein powder as a form of supplements once a day that I consumed with my supplements. I lost roughly 1.5 pounds per day.

Christian Bale used a similar diet to become anorexic for his role in The Mechanic. He only added an apple and a can of tuna to the supplements.

 

[Mercenary]

2 simple steps

1. Do intermittent fasting. Eat normally on one day and nothing on the next. Do that for a few months and you will lose loads of weight without exercise. Worked for me.

2. Quit porn and masturbation to fix physical and mental health.
Thread for that here: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-12879.html

 

[GreenHills]

Giving up bad food is very difficult. I crave sugary stuff too. It seems like you know how to lose weight and have done it before. So congratulations on that!

I'd say one doable step is to stop buying bad food to store at home. Shop while you're feeling well and shop with a list. Once you're stuck at home and feel bad, if unhealthy food is not available immediately, it's easier to pass on it.

And you should go see a therapist, it can have a great effect if you find a decent one.

 

[samsamsam]

I personally tested this out myself by the way and went 10 days without food - I just had flaxseeds and protein powder as a form of supplements once a day that I consumed with my supplements. I lost roughly 1.5 pounds per day.

Zel how much protein did you take? I ask because protein powder has calories, which I know is obvious. Were you taking enough to do 1gram per 1 lb lean muscle?

How was your lifting? Retain strength?

Thanks.

 

[TravelerKai]

Hey big guy,

Before you do any type of diet at all, you should probably go to the doctor and get the full workup. You could start on something and find out you got some disease and make it worse.

You are in Japan, and mention you need to find an English speaking therapist. Is that a good idea? Do you need to be in Japan? If you don't speak Japanese this just seems pretty difficult.

Also, I bet everyone there looks at you funny. That probably leads to some discomfort. Why don't you move to Omaha or st. Louis where there's many other people with your issues, and many more treatment options.

Aloha!

Kona is right and I am surprised no one else said this before he did.

Make sure you are not having some major issues before you start your journey. Get your testosterone levels checked and your overall thyroid/Adrenal gland health. If those things are not in decent shape, you will plateau hard at some point. When you are really big and start losing weight, the loss in numbers are big at first, then you will bottom out, and not lose much more. Even 5 pounds a week will be harder, even if you dropped 50 in the previous 3 weeks, all because of hormones. Don't be that guy that works out 5 times a week and cannot even lose 3 pounds and has zero clue as to why. That shit is so 2005, don't be that guy.

Instead of a long ass post, the TLDR of supplements that can help you in these areas are Optizinc (2% copper), vitamin D, DIM (Diindolylmethane) (bascially powdered broccoli that gets rid of excess estrogen off your stomach area). Get a good multivitamin and if you do weight training, get some amino acids as well.

Anyway, get some bloodwork and a physical first to make sure you don't have something serious so that you don't pass out in the middle of a gym because you had no idea you were diabetic and your blood sugar was too low or something else no one here thought about to tell you.

Whatever you do, do not attempt to use hardcore gym workouts like you are on the Biggest Loser TV Show or attempt Crossfit stuff. That is not only physically dangerous, but if you burnout too fast, you will put all that weight back on quickly. This needs to be more of a lifestyle change, not a quick fix.

Keep your head up, you will be just fine. We all have your back.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I personally tested this out myself by the way and went 10 days without food - I just had flaxseeds and protein powder as a form of supplements once a day that I consumed with my supplements. I lost roughly 1.5 pounds per day.

Zel how much protein did you take? I ask because protein powder has calories, which I know is obvious. Were you taking enough to do 1gram per 1 lb lean muscle?

How was your lifting? Retain strength?

Thanks.

I did not take enough to keep full strength or make gains. My caloric intake with the flaxseeds Omega 3s and protein powder was probably just 200 calories. The hunger wasn't that much of an issue. If I wanted to keep up my strength I would have needed to take much more protein powder. Generally I reached roughly 25-40g which is the intake necessary in order not to lose muscle mass. (I did not experiment with the 1g per lean muscle mass 2lbs (I thinks that 1g per lb is too much) amount since that was not my goal, but you are right that I would have needed that much - for me that is 72-75g and would have come to 270 calories - still would have lost a lot of weight). On the plus side this kind of close to zero caloric intake/water fast is the perfect slacker diet if you are not overly active. You can literally sit in front of the computer or TV and lose weight without effort.

And that is also the goal with this kind of diet and regimen. If you would want to make gains then a one meal per day diet of this Dr. Amen-Ra is advisable. He is very short so his 1200-1300 caloric intake is possible, since close to 100% of his foods are nutrient-dense. If you are much taller like OP, then you can take in more and still lose weight. Dr. Amen-Ra's diet can be kept up for decades, though to be fair it is extreme in our society and most people would not like to eat that way.



By the way - this is also a good vid since he touches known concepts of eating that touch upon the highest possible longevity and health.

 

[wi30]

Tons of great advice but I'll throw in my 2 cents. I've never been obese but I've been chubby and about 30 lbs overweight. The best I've done is cut 18 lbs in one month.

Buy a Fitbit or any other smart watch. Become religious about getting 10,000 steps a day. Eat a strict 2,000 calories a day. I did around 1,500 but at your size you could probably do 2,500 and still drop weight quickly. I mostly ate chicken, brown rice, and potatoes. I ate two big meals a day so I never felt hungry, you can eat as much chicken and potatoes as you want and still hit your calorie goals.

Tracking calories and steps with my Fitbit became a game for me. If it was bedtime and I was only at 9,500 steps, I would pace around the house just to hit 10,000.

Suits, thank you for your unbelievably generous offer and I might just take you up on it.

Don't trust master-troll Suits. He's going to stock his place with ice cream and craft beer.

 

[Transsimian]

Just happened to watch this recently. Fascinating, but watch the whole thing and keep in mind the caveats (e.g. pre-existing medical conditions).

It works, but judging from his muscle mass, he was an experienced bodybuilder. You'll just gain back most of the weight soon after plus more..

A slow but hunger suppressing diet would be best for you.

Speaking of girls, I haven't even thought about Game or approaching in months. It's not even on my radar right now. My last lay was back in August and it was just a one-nighter with a a post-wall 38 year old pudgy Japanese chick. Nothing to write home about.

There is nothing wrong with dating a 4 if it helps you pull through a depression. Just stay away from any wedding chapel.

 

[Suits]

Suits, thank you for your unbelievably generous offer and I might just take you up on it.

Don't trust master-troll Suits. He's going to stock his place with ice cream and craft beer.

I'm not a monster. I would never do that to a recovering alcoholic.

It's going to be strictly ice cream, root beer, Doritos and Snicker bars. OP had better be grateful. Root beer isn't easy to track down in China.