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<blockquote data-quote="Phoenix" data-source="post: 1095958" data-attributes="member: 7685"><p>OP of course posts this here for no-holds-barred advice from men he considers peers. So I'll give my slightly different take on this. </p><p>[legal disclaimer wankery: not doctor, this is just for entertainment, not advice, don't do any of it, whatever etc]</p><p></p><p>Firstly, he has stated that he is 39. He has also been on this forum for 3 years, perhaps lurked longer in the manosphere. This forum and the manosphere generally advocate will-power based body improvement in harsh terms. "Fat fucks should just put the fork down" kind of language.</p><p></p><p>No one can claim he hasn't been exposed to that advice in the most politeness-free and moderation-free terms. And in spite of being exposed to that, and taking actions motivated by that, he is still exploding in size. He has referred to himself as <strong>morbidly obese</strong> and says he's <strong>powerless</strong> to stop it (he probably means though "I have <em>insufficient </em>power to stop it").</p><p></p><p>Now I feel I have some qualification to comment on this in that I'm the exact opposite of OP, other end of the bell curve. For similar height I'm less than half his weight. Again, similar situation -- my efforts to fix my opposite problem (underweight) have been ongoing for about 10 years now, with little change. Force-feeding, medical meal replacement liquids, and so on.</p><p></p><p>There is a tendency in this space to overestimate the power of willpower and <em>selectively forget the concept of the bell curve for things willpower can affect</em>. </p><p></p><p>For this reason we've just heard all the same stuff: exercise more, eat less, change to different food types etc. Has he not heard that probably for more than a decade or two? Will it now work because it's in an RVF thread? This time it will be different?</p><p></p><p>The fact of the matter is simple: <em>OP's willpower alone is insufficient to bring his body into line with his desires</em>. And definitely not perpetually. </p><p></p><p>So I will not give an exercise or diet based recommendation, which is best aimed at people who aren't on the tails of the bell curve.</p><p></p><p>Look at this, OP:</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorectic" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorectic</a></p><p></p><p>That's one big ass list of drugs that suppress appetite. All I get on my list ( <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orexigenic" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orexigenic</a> ) is a list of "Agents with orexigenic effects" i.e. that's not even their purpose, and the few ones that <em>are </em>targeted at it (such as grehlin mimetics) I've tried. Have you tried any of those from that list?</p><p></p><p>Taking any of that isn't even the "nuclear option", which for obesity is lap-band surgery.</p><p></p><p>Also, have you got a blood panel done? Thyroid hormones, testosterone etc.</p><p></p><p>You said it yourself OP. You need to do something drastic. So do it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phoenix, post: 1095958, member: 7685"] OP of course posts this here for no-holds-barred advice from men he considers peers. So I'll give my slightly different take on this. [legal disclaimer wankery: not doctor, this is just for entertainment, not advice, don't do any of it, whatever etc] Firstly, he has stated that he is 39. He has also been on this forum for 3 years, perhaps lurked longer in the manosphere. This forum and the manosphere generally advocate will-power based body improvement in harsh terms. "Fat fucks should just put the fork down" kind of language. No one can claim he hasn't been exposed to that advice in the most politeness-free and moderation-free terms. And in spite of being exposed to that, and taking actions motivated by that, he is still exploding in size. He has referred to himself as [b]morbidly obese[/b] and says he's [b]powerless[/b] to stop it (he probably means though "I have [i]insufficient [/i]power to stop it"). Now I feel I have some qualification to comment on this in that I'm the exact opposite of OP, other end of the bell curve. For similar height I'm less than half his weight. Again, similar situation -- my efforts to fix my opposite problem (underweight) have been ongoing for about 10 years now, with little change. Force-feeding, medical meal replacement liquids, and so on. There is a tendency in this space to overestimate the power of willpower and [i]selectively forget the concept of the bell curve for things willpower can affect[/i]. For this reason we've just heard all the same stuff: exercise more, eat less, change to different food types etc. Has he not heard that probably for more than a decade or two? Will it now work because it's in an RVF thread? This time it will be different? The fact of the matter is simple: [i]OP's willpower alone is insufficient to bring his body into line with his desires[/i]. And definitely not perpetually. So I will not give an exercise or diet based recommendation, which is best aimed at people who aren't on the tails of the bell curve. Look at this, OP: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorectic[/URL] That's one big ass list of drugs that suppress appetite. All I get on my list ( [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orexigenic[/URL] ) is a list of "Agents with orexigenic effects" i.e. that's not even their purpose, and the few ones that [i]are [/i]targeted at it (such as grehlin mimetics) I've tried. Have you tried any of those from that list? Taking any of that isn't even the "nuclear option", which for obesity is lap-band surgery. Also, have you got a blood panel done? Thyroid hormones, testosterone etc. You said it yourself OP. You need to do something drastic. So do it. [/QUOTE]
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