Morgoth's Review Appreciation Thread

Elmore

Kingfisher
Same fella moves to Cambodia.

Nothing sus about that obviously.

Grim.

Physiognomy seldom lies.

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Idd to that that "doing 3 or 4 chinese prostitutes a day', and saying 'im challenging audiences moral outlook', is particulary vile, as Chinese prostitutes in Soho will all be controlled by Triads, illegals, raped and transported.

They are not call girls or escorts doing it of their own volition. Not unless they've been so broken by their handlers / punters / abusers.

They will be in some God-foresaken flat being used for sex around the clock.
 
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Well,


Seems the process is accelerating. Posted his "final video" complete with a stack of lies about his finances and earnings.

Says he's now gonna publish 4 or 5 books in the next year and profit off them.

Delusional junkie isn't the word.
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Well,


Seems the process is accelerating. Posted his "final video" complete with a stack of lies about his finances and earnings.

Says he's now gonna publish 4 or 5 books in the next year and profit off them.

Delusional junkie isn't the word.
I dipped back in after I'd read he'd disavowed nationalism and instantly saw that he was drugged up in a number of videos. Out of all the dissident voices, only Morgoth called it correctly and wanted nothing to do with him. I've met cocky, unrepentant addicts like Dangerfield before. They've tried rehab and Narcotics Anonymous, they know all the spiel, but consider themselves above it all. He'll continue to duck & dive, maybe until his death, unless the pain humbles him sufficiently for him to throw in the towel. May God help him.
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Best place to find him is Odysee now.

He's doing more informal stuff (the Morg-cast), more conversational & long form.

Good stuff.

That was an enjoyable discussion. I knew about Woodlander through Jody K, he's an interesting character too. It seems he's a doer, more than a talker, which I admire. That's the sort of influence that young dissidents need.

As for Morgoth ever becoming a Christian, I wouldn't rule it out. As the screw tightens and the Book of Revelation looks more and more like a roadmap, no doubt he'll reflect on it. He's more open than, say, Keith Woods, who fancies himself as a cafe society intellectual.
 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
That was an enjoyable discussion. I knew about Woodlander through Jody K, he's an interesting character too. It seems he's a doer, more than a talker, which I admire. That's the sort of influence that young dissidents need.

As for Morgoth ever becoming a Christian, I wouldn't rule it out. As the screw tightens and the Book of Revelation looks more and more like a roadmap, no doubt he'll reflect on it. He's more open than, say, Keith Woods, who fancies himself as a cafe society intellectual.

Morgoth always seemed the intellectual powerhouse behind the UK Alt Right, certainly the one anyone with a brain could see was the 'thought leader', unofficially at least. Now the whole thing seems to have run out of steam, its starting to seemlike increasingly impotent pontificating.

Which is not on him per se, he makes, broadly speaking at least, interesting content. Just that where does any of it lead? His audience will agree with everything he says, there's not really people being 'woken up' by these people, as there were a few years back. No IRL meet ups, just an image & audio product of the UK Alt Right hive mind.

They're almost like brands at this point. Morgoth with his cutting edge political analysis, wrapped up in some folksy Northumbrian patter, some 'cosy' material out fishing and talking about Newcastle of the 70s & 80s and giving a nostalgic allusion to a realer time.

That's not a criticism, I like the guy, he seems a decent bloke, certainly canny enough to have kept a low profile & not get drawn into the weird e-celeb cat fighting and ego trips of his peers.

As i recall he was going to do an appearance at a PA Conference last year, only to have Covid come along and ultimately save him from doxxing himself for the sake of those toxic weirdos.

Seems now he's content to bang out thought essays on the internet to a loyal, probably slowly declining audience, and earn a nice little sideline from the donations.

That's not in any way a criticism, i've never understood why people cry so much about 'grifting' as long as its not in any way selling any kind of hope or potential change. Morgoth's never done that, or openly asked for money, just has a few links, and if people want to bung him a fiver for some interesting listening, whats the problem.

At this point it just seems all's pretty much been said, there is next to nil chance of a populist movement ever being allowed to gather any kind of steam in the UK. If anything does, it'll just be subverted & destroyed from within. The place will just limp on to its increasingly marginalised, balkanised, dystopia.

Likes of Morgoth will document it, and good for them. But ultimately it will affect pretty much nil. The UK alt right is overwhelmingly agnostic and/or cringe Pagan and always has been. There's very few genuine Christians among any of them. Until this changes, all it will ever be is an at times thought provoking blend of nostalgia and black pills.
 
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Grow Bag

Pelican
Morgoth always seemed the intellectual powerhouse behind the UK Alt Right, certainly the one anyone with a brain could see was the 'thought leader', unofficially at least. Now the whole thing seems to have run out of steam, its starting to seemlike increasingly impotent pontificating.
It's quite ironic really, a working-class bloke being the standout intellectual of the UK dissident right. I bet Millennial Woes believed that was his gig.
Which is not on him per se, he makes, broadly speaking at least, interesting content. Just that where does any of it lead? His audience will agree with everything he says, there's not really people being 'woken up' by these people, as there were a few years back. No IRL meet ups, just an image & audio product of the UK Alt Right hive mind.
It seems that Patriotic Alternative have quite a few IRL meetups, so that's something at least. As for populism, I've never really believed it would happen in the UK. I had a glimmer of hope that Brexit would light the touch paper in Europe, as that seemed to be the case around 2016, but by then the higher ups had given the order to put an end to it all and it's effectively been snuffed out politically. And as for the online movement, most of the vitality has gone in my opinion. It was fun while it lasted though and the culture lives on to a degree.
They're almost like brands at this point. Morgoth with his cutting edge political analysis, wrapped up in some folksy Northumbrian patter, some 'cosy' material out fishing and talking about Newcastle of the 70s & 80s and giving a nostalgic allusion to a realer time.

That's not a criticism, I like the guy, he seems a decent bloke, certainly canny enough to have kept a low profile & not get drawn into the weird e-celeb cat fighting and ego trips of his peers.
The thing about Morgoth is that he's both bright and canny, as you say. That was something solely lacking in the UK Alt-Right while Millennial Woes was in the driving seat. I do detect a bit of e-celeb in Morgoth, but I also see he's fighting it. The pomposity of, say, Woes in his prime years and his subsequent fall from grace didn't go unnoticed to Morgoth and he adjusted. Just like he adjusted to the reality of The Great Reset before any of the others.
As i recall he was going to do an appearance at a PA Conference last year, only to have Covid come along and ultimately save him from doxxing himself for the sake of those toxic weirdos.

Seems now he's content to bang out thought essays on the internet to a loyal, probably slowly declining audience, and earn a nice little sideline from the donations.

That's not in any way a criticism, i've never understood why people cry so much about 'grifting' as long as its not in any way selling any kind of hope or potential change. Morgoth's never done that, or openly asked for money, just has a few links, and if people want to bung him a fiver for some interesting listening, whats the problem.
I don't think what Morgoth does is grifting really. He's not faking anything to earn a crust like Dangerfield was. And to his credit, like me, he smelt a rat in Dangerfield.

I view PA somewhat differently. On the one hand I'm weary of it, as all IRL right wing groups are always heavily infiltrated, on the other, Collett is at least a better role model for men than others, even if he is tainted with the, dumb as hell, Hitler worship. It's unfortunate that PA is the rallying point, as it would've been better for people to meet up more informally for countryside walks. Years ago I used to go camping with army veterans. We'd go fishing, do basic bushcraft stuff and chew the fat around the camp fire. That's the sort of thing that would be ideal for meetups, to network and form friendships. PA is a mass doxxing waiting to happen.
At this point it just seems all's pretty much been said, there is next to nil chance of a populist movement ever being allowed to gather any kind of steam in the UK. If anything does, it'll just be subverted & destroyed from within. The place will just limp on to its increasingly marginalised, balkanised, dystopia.
Yep, pretty much true. But then I've thought it was infiltrated from it's earliest days, just as this forum is. For me the Alt-Right was always an online samizdat. A group of like-minded people swapping ideas and culture creating. Nothing is going to change at the top without an act of God. All we can do is to foster morality and integrity by being good Christians.
Likes of Morgoth will document it, and good for them. But ultimately it will affect pretty much nil. The UK alt right is overwhelmingly agnostic and/or cringe Pagan and always has been. There's very few genuine Christians among any of them. Until this changes, all it will ever be is an at times thought provoking blend of nostalgia and black pills.
For a few years I used to lurk on 8chan and there was some English lads on there who were serious occultists. Many of them family men as well. They weren't just dabbling either. That said, I think a lot of lads are converting to Christianity or considering it's merits, especially now their online communities are being hammered. And what's quite ironic is that Roosh, the man so reviled by so many of them, myself included, is leading the way.
 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
It's quite ironic really, a working-class bloke being the standout intellectual of the UK dissident right. I bet Millennial Woes believed that was his gig.

It seems that Patriotic Alternative have quite a few IRL meetups, so that's something at least. As for populism, I've never really believed it would happen in the UK. I had a glimmer of hope that Brexit would light the touch paper in Europe, as that seemed to be the case around 2016, but by then the higher ups had given the order to put an end to it all and it's effectively been snuffed out politically. And as for the online movement, most of the vitality has gone in my opinion. It was fun while it lasted though and the culture lives on to a degree.

The thing about Morgoth is that he's both bright and canny, as you say. That was something solely lacking in the UK Alt-Right while Millennial Woes was in the driving seat. I do detect a bit of e-celeb in Morgoth, but I also see he's fighting it. The pomposity of, say, Woes in his prime years and his subsequent fall from grace didn't go unnoticed to Morgoth and he adjusted. Just like he adjusted to the reality of The Great Reset before any of the others.

I don't think what Morgoth does is grifting really. He's not faking anything to earn a crust like Dangerfield was. And to his credit, like me, he smelt a rat in Dangerfield.

I view PA somewhat differently. On the one hand I'm weary of it, as all IRL right wing groups are always heavily infiltrated, on the other, Collett is at least a better role model for men than others, even if he is tainted with the, dumb as hell, Hitler worship. It's unfortunate that PA is the rallying point, as it would've been better for people to meet up more informally for countryside walks. Years ago I used to go camping with army veterans. We'd go fishing, do basic bushcraft stuff and chew the fat around the camp fire. That's the sort of thing that would be ideal for meetups, to network and form friendships. PA is a mass doxxing waiting to happen.

Yep, pretty much true. But then I've thought it was infiltrated from it's earliest days, just as this forum is. For me the Alt-Right was always an online samizdat. A group of like-minded people swapping ideas and culture creating. Nothing is going to change at the top without an act of God. All we can do is to foster morality and integrity by being good Christians.

For a few years I used to lurk on 8chan and there was some English lads on there who were serious occultists. Many of them family men as well. They weren't just dabbling either. That said, I think a lot of lads are converting to Christianity or considering it's merits, especially now their online communities are being hammered. And what's quite ironic is that Roosh, the man so reviled by so many of them, myself included, is leading the way.


Woes was always deeply flawed. An interesting, eloquent guy, & a gifted communicator, but his narcissism made him assume some sort of 'leadership' role that he was always deeply unsuited to. He stopped producing the kind of quality analysis of his early days, around the same time Morgoth emerged. I think this was as much him being burnt out, and his failings letting the e-fame turn his head, more than anything, but perhaps there was a subconscious feeling that someone else could do the heavy lifting.

He (Woes) is the absolute epitome of what was wrong with that scene. Deep down, despite his gifts in communication, and his appreciation of wider subjects in the arts & culture, he is not really intellectually curious. Certainly not enough to actually put work in and read serious works. He says himself that he doesn't really read. He dismisses Christianity with 'i can see the merits on paper, but i just dont believe'. As if faith was as simple as flicking a switch and then just 'believing', without exploration. His subsequent 'issues' (being a degenerate, getting me-too'd, leading what must be a pretty depressing, unhealthy & desperate lifestyle), dont seem to have brought him any closer to finding faith.

I listened to his return a few weeks back - a vaunted weekly AMA, that in 4 weeks has rendered one episode thus far, the bitterness is evident. The delusion likewise - At one point he says 'I dont want to hear from anyone that's well meaning but anonymous on the internet, unless they can at least provide some sort of organisation and funding to do something, its just not worth it.'

I mean, what planet is on if he thinks any sort of philanthropist is going to provide funding to some 'movement' and have him anywhere near it? Absolute delusion. TBF he was making a wider point about just Millenial & Zoomer anons maybe having good intentions, but being useless & flawed personalities, to which i can see what he's getting at, but seriously, who on earth would fund him, or have his now toxic brand anywhere near them.

Quite, quite mad.

I read he's living with batsh*t 50 something Alison Chabloz in a (presumably platonic) house share, the link i saw stated that they 'dont get on', boggles the mind how grim that must be.

I dont think Woes is a bad guy, but he must be a mess when he turns the light out at night. He seems to have painted himself into this corner with his videos, and for a while was respected & well regarded for probably the sole time in his life. That's come crashing down, what has he got left?

I hope he comes good, but not sure i can envisage it at this point. Honestly i think the best thing he could do is to disassociate entirely with the Dis-Right, and write a brutally honest account of it all. If he was honest and self reflective, it could be a fascinating account of a significant cultural place in time, from the eyes of a flawed protagonist at the heart of it. I very much doubt he would though. He'd ever be too precious, or too narcissistic. Either way, the best thing he could do is to cut ties all together, maybe make videos about old TV shows and such forth.

Agree that Morgoth doesn't grift. Grifting, IMHO, means asking directly for funds as a means of either supporting a lifestyle, or somehow offering some sort of prospect of hope or possibility of change). Having a tipjar link to buy a pint, in thanks for the content is not that. Good luck to him.
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
One of my bugbears with the thought leaders of the Alt-Right, when it was a thing, was their normie take on geopolitical events and where things were headed. In that respect the "truther" community, which I had frequented for years, were way ahead in terms of research and knowledge. For nationalists, it was expedient to believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by a bunch of Muslims from cave central somewhere in Afghanistan, rather than it being a multinational collaboration of intelligence services, dual-citizen politicians, dupes and lackeys laying the foundation for the globalist endgame. The dream was America was going to be great again and Trump, with the help of Pepe, would ignite populist fervour sending the globalist supertanker onto the rocks, Muslims back home and the poz back into the swamp. But instead we got anarcho-tyranny, St George Floyd, leering Biden as POTUS. Then when Covid health totalitarianism was unleashed on the world along with Heir Schwarb's plans for the Great Reset, the dissident Right was like a deer caught in the headlights.

The one person of any prominence to finally get it, was Morgoth. All it took was a simple admission of error on his part and the ability to re-calibrate, study, reflect on it all and finally have the best take of anyone in the movement on what is going down.
 
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Grow Bag

Pelican
Get that glass of water ready, Morgoth is moving ever closer to taking the God pill. Here he discusses Satan as the archetypal liberal (though I prefer to call them progressives as their justification for all manner of immorality is their rebellious, iconoclastic appeal to progress).
 

Papist

Woodpecker
Get that glass of water ready, Morgoth is moving ever closer to taking the God pill. Here he discusses Satan as the archetypal liberal (though I prefer to call them progressives as their justification for all manner of immorality is their rebellious, iconoclastic appeal to progress).

Interesting. If it wasn't for the fact that Freemasonry came about ~30 years later, I would suggest Milton was initiated into the craft. Indeed, it didn't just emerge over night...it came from somewhere.
 

OrthoSerb

Pigeon
Orthodox
I discovered Morgoth earlier this year and I do find him refreshingly insightful and honest. He might not have all the answers but he has some principle and goes where the truth takes him, rather than trying to construct some fantasy world based on his own ego, as many on the dissident right have done in the past. I do think he is trending towards God but if I was a regular Englishman surveying the landscape I would feel pretty rudderless and limited in my options. It's like he's having to inch forward with no spiritual or moral guidance or example whatsoever. England is very secular and Orthodoxy in particular has even less of a visible presence. The options are even more sparse up around Newcastle.

I actually came across Morgoth a few days after I discovered Keith Woods. He's another interesting thinker who did a book review of Nihilism by Father Seraphim Rose.

 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Rare bit of disappointment in him here. One minute (correctly imho) purring about the Rotterdam disorder against lockdowns, then when he learns a lot of them were brown, back to the "muh get used to it! You cant live with these people!" rhetoric.

I dont give a toss anymore, my enemys enemy is my friend in terms of covid, vaccinations etc.

I was in berlin for 5 days this time last year, in the main muslim and turk area. Never got told to wear mask in any cafes, shops or food places. German places hassled yo "cover your nose" even when they forced mask use. Spent most eves in a small albanian cafe bar, no one was buying any of the covid stuff. Again, stark contrast to majority germans i came into contact with.


 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Rare bit of disappointment in him here. One minute (correctly imho) purring about the Rotterdam disorder against lockdowns, then when he learns a lot of them were brown, back to the "muh get used to it! You cant live with these people!" rhetoric.

I dont give a toss anymore, my enemys enemy is my friend in terms of covid, vaccinations etc.

I was in berlin for 5 days this time last year, in the main muslim and turk area. Never got told to wear mask in any cafes, shops or food places. German places hassled yo "cover your nose" even when they forced mask use. Spent most eves in a small albanian cafe bar, no one was buying any of the covid stuff. Again, stark contrast to majority germans i came into contact with.


I understand his point of view, even if mine has shifted somewhat. Like me, he lived and worked in the flat lands and had his fill of North Africans. I've had so many bad experiences that I developed a particular dislike for them. But now I'm of the mind that the horse has bolted and to keep harping on about Muslims, blacks or any other race just seems pointless. We're all in a much bigger fight right now. And with the hounds of hell let loose in the world, even that is taking a back seat to my own salvation.
 
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