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scotian

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HBK said:
I knew a guy who did that for 2 months and said the money wasn't worth it especially with all the downlow queer behavior going on in the "man camps".

I can see for a married guy how it could appealing to work there if he didn't have to live in the man camp. Just better not bring his wife around.

I've stayed in plenty of man camps and never saw any behavior to suggest that there's any queer behavior going on, infidelity is rampant though and a lot of the female camp staff get dicked while they're on rotation.
 

Beyond Borders

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Aliblahba said:
Beyond Borders said:
Aliblahba said:
HBK said:
I knew a guy who did that for 2 months and said the money wasn't worth it especially with all the downlow queer behavior going on in the "man camps".

I can see for a married guy how it could appealing to work there if he didn't have to live in the man camp. Just better not bring his wife around.


:troll: This is all I have to say. Either you are a woman that wishes you could be :strip: or a white knight that wishes he could get :strip: . Either way, you both are in the same category of :powerclean: Go :treehugger: your earth goddess and hope that :american: don't catch you on the street.

P.S. That cunt will never get her child back. Respect the court system.

i'm guessing this animosity crept in from another thread??? :huh:

So you're defending a troll that calls us buttfuckers? Lol.

nah I missed the buttfuckers thing

I apologize, as I might have posted without reading what happened at the end of the thread.

And I don't remember defending anyone here. did I? If so, that was not my intention. In fact, I'm 100% positive I wasn't defending anyone...I expressed confusion. Nothing more; nothing less.
 

Aliblahba

 
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Just called a friend of mine up that way. He said the boom is coming to an end. It's moving to maintaining the rigs. Housing is much less of a problem, and it is easier to find trained employees. So in a nutshell, it's paying less.
 

Young T.R.

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My plan is to head out somewhere in about six weeks to look for oil work. By then I'll have my CDL, $10,000 and a bachelor's degree (liberal arts). My first thought was North Dakota, but if things really are cooling down there I might consider some other places.

Any more recent updates on how things are in ND? (Not doubting you Ali, just trying to get some confirmation. I've been planning this for a while and I'm hoping I haven't just narrowly missed my shot.) I've googled the hell out of it, scoured the city-data forums (interesting place), and read everything I could find in the news. Couldn't really find much. Are there still 100k jobs out there for guys like me?

Regardless, I'm about to quit both of my jobs, cop a van, and plunge into the unknown.
 

renotime

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PA, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, and PA.

I just applied for a mill job down south. If that doesn't work out I might find myself working on a rig down there.
 

Traveler86

 
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I'd rather live in the midwest rather than anywhere near DC. Ton of hot natural blondes in the upper midwest (I go for the blondies yay) and also less mainstream culture compared to the East and West Coast which often leads to more entlited bitches (sex and the city syndrome).
 

Aliblahba

 
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Jourgensen said:
Yeah, if not North Dakota, any other hot spots currently in the US?

Hobbs NM, GOM, Western PA, ect. The work is out there. I'm still getting emails and calls. Once you break in, life is good.
 

Young T.R.

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Williston, ND: What's going on here now, and how to take advantage of it

I'm in Williston, North Dakota right now. Been here about two weeks. There are so many opportunities here, especially for guys with CDLs, skilled trade experience, or who are willing to put in the work to learn. I have two official job offers right now, and a lot of other very promising leads (I've made great contacts at these companies through networking). The jobs I'm looking at all pay $22-26 an hour, offer tons of overtime and have some pretty cool benefits. At the end of the year these are $80-110k jobs. I could have a job today if I wanted, but I'm trying to stall a little bit so I can pick the best offer.

Drilling is slowing down, but there are still plenty of jobs in Well Servicing, Fracking, and Coiled Tubing. There are tons of driving jobs. Skilled trades and construction are in demand. This little skinny hippie kid I met who sleeps under a tarp said he got an offer to work pouring concrete for $20 an hour. He decided to work at Applebee's for $14 an hour. My buddy just went outside to smoke and got an offer to pour concrete for $25 an hour. You can still make bank at Walmart and the restaurants. Secretaries for the oil companies get something like $18-20 an hour starting out. This guy I met said his daughter is an accounting intern who makes $18 an hour and gets $800 a month living allowance.

I'll break down what I did to get to this point, and if anyone's interested I can elaborate and try to answer any questions you might have. I'm still sleeping in my truck at this point and on the move hitting up employers all day, so there might be stretches where I can't get online.

My background: landscaping, forestry, retail management, working on cars and fixing shit on my own. Useless liberal arts degree.

I decided I wanted to come here after reading this thread last November. I went out and got a second job (returning to retail which I swore I'd never do). I started putting things in motion to get my CDL. Making money and getting my CDL kept me busy until late May. It's possible to get a CDL in three weeks if you want, but I took private lessons which were more spaced out but much cheaper.


CDL

Having a CDL out here will help you immensely. It will triple your options out here. If you can get one, DO IT. Every crew needs drivers to move their shit heavy shit around.

The company that's given me the best offer so far only hires CDL drivers because they are a frac company (if you google image 'frac site' you'll know why lol). The other solid offer I got was also CDL only. So get it if you can. It might cost you around three grand. I was able to get mine for $1500 because I found a good private instructor and took only as many lessons as I needed to feel comfortable passing the test.

If you can't get a CDL for whatever reason, you can definitely still get a job. My buddy from class got a job at the first place he went to on his first day of job searching and he doesn't have a CDL. What he does have is a great attitude. He came in and said, “I'm ready to work today.” He had his steel-toed boots, gloves and hard-hat in his car. They had him piss in a cup and fill out the paper work for the fitness test. His supervisor came in, asked him if he was ready to work, tore up the fitness test paper work and said 'let's go to work'.


Floorhand Training Course

I signed up for a Floorhand Training Course at a technical school in Williston, ND. The first week of class was all classroom safety training (OSHA 10, H2S, IADC Rig Pass, First Aid, CPR, AED). The second week was hands-on training on a real workover rig as a Floorhand (entry level job). The program was created by the oil companies out here to train their own guys, so they set the curriculum and donated the rig and all the equipment used. They drilled the training well and set up the rig. The class ran me about a grand.

Well worth it, for the following reasons:

1. My first day of class, I got to meet five other guys in the same situation as me. New to town, money-hungry dudes, some sleeping in their cars like me. They became my crew and helped me out a lot.
2. The next day safety classes started. There were about 15 additional guys in my class for the rest of the week. These guys were sent by their current employers to update their safety certs. A lot of these guys were old-timers in the game and were a gold mine of info and networking opportunities. Despite being some hard-ass motherfuckers, they were funny as shit and really went out of their way to help the new guys. One guy took me under his wing, brought me to his company and introduced me to higher up guys and got me references there. Another guy drove us outside of town and showed us some different rigs and told us about them.
3. Some employers recognize the class as work experience, and will pay you more because you took it. For example, Sun Well Services pays Floorhands w/out experience $22 an hour. They pay experienced Floorhands or guys who took the class $24 an hour.
4. You learn the lingo and what the job is and you get to do it. Later when you're out drinking, shooting pool, and networking (important) you can talk about things like rod elevators and paraffin build-up intelligently and this will earn you points.
5. The safety certs pump up your resume.


If you want the name of the school PM me. Or use the google machine. It won't be that hard to find from the info I've provided. There are probably other places that do the same thing.


Network

Talk to people. Go to the bars. Play pool. Go to the strip clubs. One of the best ways to expand your options and find jobs.

Just watch your ass because there are plenty of guys who are looking for fights here. Also, 38% of reported rapes are male on male, and apparently where guys get jumped is when they walk out of a bar alone. They wake up in the Walmart parking lot with a sore butt hole if they're lucky. There are one or two young guys who are missing. I see pictures of them up all around town. Find a crew to roll with at night if possible.

If you absolutely want to avoid the bars, just go out during the day and talk to people. I got some leads by talking to guys in the park. If you don't smoke, temporarily taking up smoking might help, because smoking is a great way to open people during the day or at night.


Applying For Jobs

Most places want you to apply online. Some have paper apps though. Some have apps you can print off and then bring in. Apply whatever way they want and then make an appearance at their office.

I've applied a game-mentality to this. Every night I grind out apps online, and then I spend all day beating down doors. I have a few offers now, but until I have the job, I'm still going to keep my options open and keep expanding my options.

An abundance mentality will help keep you positive. There will be jobs that seem like a sure thing and then you'll hear that the hiring guy won't be back around for another two weeks or something wack. Don't get your heart set on any one place. I have a list of 28 companies that I'm looking at, and it's always growing.


Living

Rent is expensive here. It's almost roughly comparable to prices in Manhattan. Look online if you want to get a better idea. The housing situation is getting better but it's still bad.

I've chosen to sleep in my SUV, which I bought to come out here. I have the windows tinted as dark as I can legally for ND – front windows 50%, rear can be anything (I put 5% tint over the factory tint so it's probably 2-3%). People can't see in the back at all, but I can see out. And then I put a curtain up behind the front seats. As long as you don't try to sleep in the Walmart parking lot, you'll be fine. There are security trucks circling the Walmart parking lot 24-7.

I wouldn't bring an RV, as they aren't allowed to park in Williston except for at legal RV parks and campground. Some people get away with it, but you'd be much better off in a van or SUV. That way you can stealthily park almost wherever you want.

Send me a PM you are coming out here for sure and want some pointers on where to park at night, where to shower, and where to get wifi. Or you could figure it out yourself easily enough.

Williston City Council is actively trying to reduce the number of man camps here, but they are still available at some places. Some are just moving their camps outside the city limits, which are ever-expanding.

I'll probably be in a man camp by winter, or I'll buy a big ass van and put an Espar heater in it.


Girls

The saying goes like this: “there are plenty of girls in Williston – one behind every tree.” So, hardly any. Some people say the ratio is like 70-1. Not sure about that. Another phrase you might hear is “Williston 10” which means a 5 anywhere else. I think people who say things like this are exaggerating a bit, but I haven't been doing any approaches here to know for sure. I talked to one chick at the bar and she seemed interested, but I wasn't yet desperate enough. She had some wide shoulders and narrow hips (manly V-taper) and called herself 'the ego killer' so I was pretty turned off.

There are a lot of hookers here. I've been approached by hookers for the first time in my life here.

The best thing to do in my opinion is to find a job with a rotation (x weeks on, x weeks off) and spend your free time elsewhere. It's getting harder to get rotational work, but it's definitely possible. If you want to hold out for a rotational job I think you can find one. The better your qualifications, the more power you'll have over your circumstances.

I'm going to set up a base somewhere else to spend my time off. I'm going to spend my free time recreating and setting up a harem there. I already have a few potential cities in mind.


Attitude

The most important thing.
Come out here and assume it will be hard as fuck. Assume you'll be living in your car for at least a month. Assume you'll get your ass kicked at the bar. Assume that you'll have to work harder than you ever have. Be ready to beat down doors and sell yourself.

When you start on the rig you'll be a worm. You will take a varying degree of shit until you prove yourself. If you get butthurt easily I would figure out a way to get over that problem.

You might get lucky and get a job immediately. You might be in for some hard times while you're looking. One of the kid's in my class hasn't gotten any offers or leads yet and he's acting all sad and shit. This is our first week looking for work.

If you have no mechanical skills and you've never turned a wrench in your life, you're going to have to compensate for that with a positive attitude, a willingness to learn, and ability to take shit with a smile.

When you start working, if everyone else has a wrench in their hand but you, you're fucking up. Don't get caught standing around.

Watch what people are doing; ask them about it at an appropriate time. When I had down time in class, I was watching my instructor operate the rig. I asked questions about it later. Operating the rig won't be a part of my job for at least a year probably, but I'm still trying to learn everything I can about it now. If you know a certain tool will be required for the next task, go and grab it if you're not told to be doing something already.

My buddy who got a job the first day impressed the hell out of everyone because he spend the last six months watching every youtube video he could about drilling, well servicing, fracking, etc. He taught himself how all that shit works. And then when he came to turn in an app, he had a great attitude. He was ready to work – mentally and by having his own safety gear with him. Be like him.


Fitness

I would recommend working out as much as you can while you're stacking your money and working on your CDL. Deadlifts, curls, and rows should be a staple of what you're doing in the gym. Two of the guys in my class temporarily fucked up their backs lifting the tubing (200+ pound, 25 foot long pipes we had to drag around). I had no problem because I came in great shape.

I'm sure those guys will adapt, but their lack of fitness just created another unnecessary obstacle for them. They'll be wasting mental energy trying to cope with the physical stress while they could be using to learn and take initiative.

I'm a young guy in good shape, but there are also older guys getting entry level jobs around here. Just try to be in the best shape you can.


Summary (tl;dr)

1. Get a CDL.
2. Watch every youtube video on the subject you can.
3. Figure out your living situation and save enough money to do that for at least 2 months without income.
4. Take a training course or knock out as many safety certs as you can on your own.
5. Grind out apps and beat down doors with an abundance mentality.
6. Network by going out.
7. Take initiative and ask questions.

If you have other skills or qualifications, you might take a slightly different path. But I think this will be helpful for anyone who wants to come here.

Alternatively, you could go to Texas. I've heard it's even easier to find work there. The pay is better here though.

Thanks to Scotian, Ali and all the other oil guys on this forum who have given great info. Thanks to MikeCF for starting this thread. This is going to be my career. I love this shit. You guys have changed my life. :grouphug:
 

scotian

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Glad to hear that you made the move Young TR, best of luck and keep us posted on your progress. Williston sure does sound like a rough spot, dudes getting raped, that's brutal! I'm actually working about 2 hours north of you in another shitty industrial town called Estevan Saskatchewan, its about 10 miles from the US border and is part of the same oil field as Williston, the Bakken.

I must say, I'm not a huge fan of the prairies, flat and boring and I've never seen such strange weather, it'll be sunny in the morning, then a huge rain and lighting storm will pass through, maybe even a tornado or some hail then back to sunny again in the late afternoon. Apparently it gets really, really cold in this part of the world in the winter, hopefully I won't be around by then!
 

Young T.R.

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Yeah, we have the same weird weather here. I've heard some bad things about this town but it's mostly been good to me so far. Everyone I've met has been pretty cool and eager to help out a new guy.
 

Aliblahba

 
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@Young T.R.- Glad things are working out for you. Keep your eye on the prize and remember you are there to make money and GTFO! Don't get caught up with the oilfield trash, as you'll never get out of there. It can be a vicious cycle.

I threw out my resume a couple months ago but didn't get anything back. The good offers came early on when I was still in Afghan. Halliburton offered $15 hr in an entry level job. GAY! They are one of the worst to work for. Another offered $26 repair xerox machines. Double GAY! No relocation or housing included. WTF are these people thinking? Baker Hughes and Calfrac are two of the better ones to get with.

One of my friends left for a job in Texas, and is happier. The rest of that crew is still up there miserable in lower paying jobs. One friend left a dream job in the OZ to go back to ND. Don't even get me started on that one.

I'll never go up there, but am now rethinking returning offshore. A friend is out now banking 7 bills a day. I'd go back for 4 stacks, with potential to go up to 6 bills. The only real draw is I could be down in the DR every other month. I'm aching to go back to the poosy paradise. :s
 

Young T.R.

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I've heard the same things about Halliburton and Baker Hughes out here. I heard Halliburton pays low. The dude at Baker Hughes I talked to said he just started out working in the shop for $60k a year, but that in two or three years he'd be making 200-300k if he stuck with it. Pretty legit.

Once I get some experience, my plan is to go offshore for the exact same reasons. I want to find my poosy paradise and spend 6 months of the year chasing girls and doing whatever the hell else I want. All the guys I've met working out here are pretty cool so far. People say whatever the hell they want. It's refreshing after working in a politically correct retail atmosphere for the past 7 months. I wanted to eat a bullet every god damn day I was in retail. I can see what you mean about a vicious cycle though.

I accepted a job offer and I start my first two week on, one week off rotation on Sunday. I'm going to be a Floorhand on a workover rig and I'll also be driving all kinds of monstrous contraptions out the the work site, including the rig which costs over a million dollars. Should be interesting. I check in at the man camp tomorrow evening.

Went out tonight with some friends and had a great time out at a bar called Cattails (not a strip joint, despite the name). Met some cool people and actually talked to some decent single girls, something I didn't expect in this town.

Closing time is 1 AM though. WTF??? The first couple times I thought they were just doing it because it was a weekday or something, but every time I've gone out they turn on the lights around 1:15 and start telling people to GTFO.

One thing that struck me is that most people at the bar were very considerate and friendly. This bar was the most packed one I've been to yet. Almost any time there was a collision or spilled drink there were handshakes and smiles. There was one fight where someone got knocked out, but I think most people know the reputation of the bars around here and want to avoid trouble and just have a good time.
 

MikeinMKE

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From here on out, any guy who complaining about the economy or being broke is going to be asked one question, "Are you in North Dakota?" If the answer is no, then you are a beta bitch.

One of the better paragraphs ive ever read.
 

MikeinMKE

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YTR you mentioned that the cost of living is comparable to that of Manhattan? that sounds ridiculous - I realize it's probably too late in the game but what a wonderful opportunity for real estate contractors developers to put out up apartments for a huge profit
 

Young T.R.

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One guy I met is renting a 2 bedroom apartment for $3,000 a month. Another is renting a single room in someone's basement for $800 a month. I haven't done too much looking on my own. I just want to work here and live elsewhere.

There are definitely locals who have made lots of money off of this, mainly people who owned real estate and mineral rights before it started. From what I've heard even they left town once they got their money.
 

Dr. Howard

 
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Young T.R. said:
One guy I met is renting a 2 bedroom apartment for $3,000 a month. Another is renting a single room in someone's basement for $800 a month. I haven't done too much looking on my own. I just want to work here and live elsewhere.

There are definitely locals who have made lots of money off of this, mainly people who owned real estate and mineral rights before it started. From what I've heard even they left town once they got their money.

Yes, on the canadian side I know a girl who was doing health care work in northern alberta pre oil boom and owned a house. She rented out all of the rooms except hers for a while to all dudes...and she was hot...eventually she sold the house for 5x what she bought it for, moved and paid for a downtown condo in some city.
 
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