My father is schedule to take the vaccine, please help me with some talking points...

FrancisK

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I got offered it and said no thanks. My mother will take it, she can't wait. There is nothing I can say to her. At least your Dad sounds like he is not as far gone. My mother is a boomer of course so thinks the government is her friend and and would never lie to her.


My dad is actually extremely skeptical of the government and doctors he has always said it's all just about money. I was pretty shocked when he told me he was going to take it because he was saying this was all a hoax even before it hit. His older brother getting it is what swayed him and made him believe it was okay, he looks up to his older brother he is the King of the family since my grandfather passed a long time ago.

Now that he has tested "positive" for covid and has ZERO symptoms....he's pretty apologetic for ever even considering taking it.
 
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Captain Gh

Ostrich
Gold Member
Are you willing to take care of your father if he is denied access to old folks homes and/or hospitals?
Exactly my point of view! Him getting it so early is not to my liking... but Hey... there's no questions most of us will have to get it... in order to function in Society! They're already talking about the Passport vaccines for the G7... aka meaning they've already contracted who will produce them! The best we can do is clean up our system as best as we can in order to reduce the risk of harmful reactions!
 
My mother does not want to take it. She also thinks that there is something very shady behind it.

But my father and mother in law both want to take it. There are a few people they knew and who died in Covid (allegedly) and now they believe the official narrative. They start to be angry at us for our anti Covid vaccine stance. I have already decided to not interfere with them: I have tried my best but at the end they are adults they can choose themselves what they want to do.

We will have to be cautious when talking about these issues with them. I would recommend everyone to be cautious with normie relatives because they could cause problems in the future if they know you are anti Covid vaccine.

For now I think we have very strong lines between people who believe the official narrative and the people who don't believe that. It is very hard to convince people on the other side. Something Earth shaking have to happen for people to change their mind.

Even if the alleged vaccine induced deaths (that are not reported by MSM but reported in alternative media) are true still then the direct effect is not very dangerous of the vaccine. The number of vaccine induced deaths is very low. That number is much less than alleged Covid deaths. If I was a normie I would think that the danger of the vaccine is less than the danger of Covid itself. So if it will turn out to be dangerous then that will happen much later after being vaccinated. Or maybe this one is not dangerous but if it becomes normal to be mass-vaccinated with newly developed vaccines regularly then that is a dangerous state by itself.

It is interesting that I have only heard of people that I know on the 2nd level (known by someone who I know) who died of Covid. There are a few cases where I believe may be legit: in the 40s without any known health issue and dead in a few weeks after getting serious flu symptoms and having positive Covid test.
 

Clemenza

Pigeon
We will have to be cautious when talking about these issues with them. I would recommend everyone to be cautious with normie relatives because they could cause problems in the future if they know you are anti Covid vaccine.

For now I think we have very strong lines between people who believe the official narrative and the people who don't believe that. It is very hard to convince people on the other side. Something Earth shaking have to happen for people to change their mind.

I know that I am going to get into a heated battle with certain relatives as soon as this thing is opened up to the general population. Will they go as far as banning me from their presence? I also know that longtime friends of mine may take a similar stance... we have a lot of annual summer things/parties/trips that we do together every year (pre-covid) , and I am just waiting to see if anyone dares "uninvite" me if they find out about my vaccine "status"

Of course when the time comes, I can just lie.... I doubt most of them will go as far as asking to see my card..
But feel like that, in and of itself, is just a partial surrender to all the madness.

These impending interpersonal battles concern me more than any government/travel restrictions that may come along. At least in the short term.
 

fortyfive

Sparrow
WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE? The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose

4-hydroxybutyl
A substance that is used in cancer research to cause bladder tumors in laboratory animals


...even rats are dying from this shit
 
These impending interpersonal battles concern me more than any government/travel restrictions that may come along. At least in the short term.
I agree with most of what you said. My main concern about being openly anti Covid vaccine is not that you can have heated arguments and such but maybe later they will try to "fix your decisions" by vaccinating you while you sleep or vaccinate your child behind your back or something similar. You know in 1984 it was stated that your family will become your worst enemy. It could look like a little hyperbole now but who knows what will come in the future.
 
Death rate skyrockets in Israel following Covid vaccine:


For me the text is too long for that data it provides. What I find interesting is this statement: "Compared to other years, mortality is 40 times higher." But I can not find where he gets this information from? 40 times mortality is something that we have never witnessed since the pandemic and that would really cause morgue and funeral problems. How is it possible to hide this issue if it is true?

If that number is so high then the only thing we need is a time/mortality graph next to Covid death graph and number of sum vaccination graph. Why does it not show such a graph?

Why does he bother to analyse the vaccine adverse effect databases? If mortality is so high then that should be enough evidence. The adverse effect database is not simple to analyse because you can never know if there is a causal effect between the vaccine and the reported effect. And you can never know what percentage of adverse effects was reported. The number of deaths on the other side is easy to count and hard to cheat with the numbers - though it is not impossible.

I tried to follow the links to the original source but it lead to some french article what I don't understand. Could anyone track the source of the numbers?
 

Nmnk62

Chicken
My little sister just called and gave me the heads up that my father is schedule to take the vaccine Wednesday, today is Monday.

My family is conservative and my father is an intelligent man, he was actually calling it all a government hoax before it hit. Back when we were just starting to hear about it happening in China while I was trying to convince him that it was something to have some concern about, my how things have changed! Anyway, my dad is normally very skeptical of medicine and the government but that got tossed out the window when his oldest brother took the vaccine....my father looks up to his oldest brother and if he took it then my father should take it too.

My father listens to me and will hear what I have to say I know that much, it will have weight to him I’m his only son. The thing is my father is off the boat and while again very intelligent, man used to do to calculus’s homework while speaking crappy English haha, quoting studies to him and things of that nature won’t have much of an impact....he doesn’t trust that garbage anyway. It needs to be more general and not fantastical, here is what I have so far:

-The government wants to control the population (something he has always said himself)

- The vaccine was rushed with the stipulation that the pharma companies can’t be sued for complications and they are making billions from it (he’s a business man that’s a good one)

- You can still get covid after taking the vaccine they are saying so what’s the point

- You still have to have all the covid restrictions so

- Nobody knows what the vaccine will do in the future (obvious one)

- He’s 66 years old and healthy, not at any risk of dying even if he doesn’t get covid

- I had covid and it wasn’t even as bad as a mild flu

- I don’t want him to die (this will hit him hard as well, we don’t normally do emotions in my family)



What else guys? Please help me out here, again needs to be more general and common sense rather than studies, stats, special media crap and things of that nature....

Thank you!
I hear your concerns as my father is about the same age as yours. He told me months back he wasn't getting the vaccine and even said more recently that he was somewhat skeptical of vaccines in general but after reading too much fear porn in the MSM he seems like he is leaning towards taking it. Moreover, he has come close to shaming me for not wanting to take it, saying I'll have to live with the consequences of killing him. Anything I try presenting to him from outside of the MSM he'll label a "conspiracy theory". He has an almost childlike trust in any form of "authority", whether from the government, "health experts", or the media so this is definitely a tough nut to crack. I am hesitant to have this conversation with him and my mother again for fear of blowing up in an argument. Like your father, mine is intelligent, at least in some ways. I wish I could offer you some help here. All I can do is to offer you and your father up to God in prayer.
 

FrancisK

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I hear your concerns as my father is about the same age as yours. He told me months back he wasn't getting the vaccine and even said more recently that he was somewhat skeptical of vaccines in general but after reading too much fear porn in the MSM he seems like he is leaning towards taking it. Moreover, he has come close to shaming me for not wanting to take it, saying I'll have to live with the consequences of killing him. Anything I try presenting to him from outside of the MSM he'll label a "conspiracy theory". He has an almost childlike trust in any form of "authority", whether from the government, "health experts", or the media so this is definitely a tough nut to crack. I am hesitant to have this conversation with him and my mother again for fear of blowing up in an argument. Like your father, mine is intelligent, at least in some ways. I wish I could offer you some help here. All I can do is to offer you and your father up to God in prayer.

Thank you brother, it turned out okay he didn’t end up taking it and actually ended up testing “positive” for hoax with ZERO symptoms. He’s apologetic about even ever considering taking it now.

Have that talk with you father and make it more about common sense and how you care about him rather than studies and numbers. You have to at least try, at least try to have him wait and see what happens.
 

Nmnk62

Chicken
Thank you brother, it turned out okay he didn’t end up taking it and actually ended up testing “positive” for hoax with ZERO symptoms. He’s apologetic about even ever considering taking it now.

Have that talk with you father and make it more about common sense and how you care about him rather than studies and numbers. You have to at least try, at least try to have him wait and see what happens.
Thank you so much. I'll see what I can do. His and my mother's primary reason for taking seems to be that they think they're "saving lives" of others by taking it, even though that makes no sense to me as until the "pandemic" hit no one was saying how taking any kind of vaccine protects others. It was always about protecting the individual who took it. I don't know where this false idea emanated from but it is obviously meant to appeal to people's wish to feel virtuous about themselves. But I'm glad to hear your own father backed away from taking it. That is an answer to prayers, I'm sure.
 
I agree with most of what you said. My main concern about being openly anti Covid vaccine is not that you can have heated arguments and such but maybe later they will try to "fix your decisions" by vaccinating you while you sleep or vaccinate your child behind your back or something similar. You know in 1984 it was stated that your family will become your worst enemy. It could look like a little hyperbole now but who knows what will come in the future.
1984 isn't the only book that stated that concept. An older book with a much better track record did as well. It's called the Bible.

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against theirparents, and cause them to be put to death.
Matthew 10:21

That being said, God can protect you if its His will. Start praying now about this, don't wait until we reach critical mass.
 

droughtmeat

Woodpecker
Thank you so much. I'll see what I can do. His and my mother's primary reason for taking seems to be that they think they're "saving lives" of others by taking it, even though that makes no sense to me as until the "pandemic" hit no one was saying how taking any kind of vaccine protects others. It was always about protecting the individual who took it. I don't know where this false idea emanated from but it is obviously meant to appeal to people's wish to feel virtuous about themselves. But I'm glad to hear your own father backed away from taking it. That is an answer to prayers, I'm sure.
Well, tbh, I think the saving lives narrative has been driving the obedient response and conformism around the world. I can only think of very few people who are actually afraid of getting the virus. If governments opened discos and allowed quarantine and test free travel from tomorrow on, those planes, cities and venues would be packed. The government mask mandates are only followed because not using a mask can lead to a fine.

Just take the superbowl a couple of weeks ago. People wanted to be at that game. Potentially getting the virus will not have deterred anyone. Having to quarantine due to contract tracing or knowing that you were going to see your grandparents soon afterwards, however, probably did.

It seems as though following all the corona rules and restrictions has essentially led to a compound effect, where people have already sacrificed so much that "we might as well get the vaccine too, right?".
 
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