My sister vaccinated my 7 year old niece

Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
Where do we draw the line with people like the covvax fanatics. I don't believe for a sencond they wouldn't throw me under a bus due to my 'unvaxxed' status. I think it's time we start protecting our own physical, mental and spiritual integrity.
We warned them, prayed for them, tried to make them see sense, what more? The can repent and accept Christ in their hearts but until then they're not the meek who will inheret the earth, as I understand it. It's not up to us but the Lord, but what it is up to us is who we associate with.
 

OrthoSerb

Robin
Orthodox
Absolutely we should pray for their conversion, but at the same time the bible tells in many many passages us to not associate with people who willingly disobey the Lord, and the woman described sounds to me like one of those.
It's not the Bible that gave you that conclusion, its your own selective/subjective interpretation. Your comment lacks any discernment. A lot of the Biblical verses which refer to distancing oneself from those who are not believers is due to concern that the believer will fall into temptation. By all accounts there is hardly any danger of that in this case, they don't live close to each other so there is even substantial physical distance already. The other part you overlook is that we have a special obligation to bear with family members which do not necessarily extend further afield. We did not choose them, they were given to us by God. This attitude of distancing oneself or creating conflict seems to stem from some kind of misplaced sense of righteousness which has to find a way of manifesting itself. The people making these suggestions seem like they don't want to miss an opportunity to demonstrate that they're on the side of God by openly dressing down someone else who they've declared is not. The spirit of patience, humility or long-suffering is completely absent from these suggestions. These situations are opportunities to go deeper within oneself and to use the pain to pray more ardently for those that have gone wayward.
 
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Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
It's not the Bible that gave you that conclusion, its your own selective/subjective interpretation. Your comment lacks any discernment. This attitude of distancing oneself or creating conflict seems to stem from some kind of misplaced sense of righteousness which has to find some way of manifesting itself. The people making these suggestions seem like they don't want to miss an opportunity to demonstrate that they're on the side of God by openly dressing down someone else who they've declared is not. The spirit of patience, humility or long-suffering is completely absent from these suggestions.
Thanks for the dressing down. But all that you've said there comes from a well placed 'sense of righteousness which has to find some way of manifesting itself' in yourself? And the quick accusation of my misusing of the scriptures comes from a spirit of patience and humility in you?
These are rhetorical questions by the way, I do not need your answer really. Go in peace.
 

Feyoder

Pelican
And where is the discernment in creating family conflict, especially after the child has received the vaccine? You're suggesting Denam8487 should create this demonstrative conflict in order to be able to say he did something (that didn't make a positive difference) if he get's asked what he did in a decade. Personally I prefer Roosh's suggestion of forbearance and prayer. This also leaves open the possibility that his sister will actually turn to him when she needs some help or guidance. You seem to think that you can forcefeed people truth at a time and place of your choosing and then write them off if they can't digest it. If you've created conflict and introduced emotional distance, it will be that much harder and that much more unlikely that she will be able to have a meaningful relationship with Denam8487. She will have to overcome the passions of bitterness, pride, judgement and anger etc. I don't see any wisdom in going down this path, it seems demonic.

What you're suggesting reminded me of this commentary by Saint Paisios:



Weak.
 

Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
It's not the Bible that gave you that conclusion, its your own selective/subjective interpretation. Your comment lacks any discernment. A lot of the Biblical verses which refer to distancing oneself from those who are not believers is due to concern that the believer will fall into temptation. By all accounts there is hardly any danger of that in this case, they don't live close to each other so there is even substantial physical distance already. The other part you overlook is that we have a special obligation to bear with family members which do not necessarily extend further afield. We did not choose them, they were given to us by God.
I have an uncle who made his wealth as an abortion doctor. I don't associate with him at all, for that and his aggressive materialism and antichurch stance. Perhaps you would mind getting together with someone like that because 'his is family', fine but don't tell me and folks here that is the Christian thing to do.
Need I remind you, Who is My mother and who are My brothers? And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother. Who said that?
Rereading your comment, I can't believe how it reeks of overzealousness. Negative stuff my man. Meditate about it.
 

rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
TLDR.

What I would tell your sister is:

Under 18 in America there was 500 deaths so far. I bet side effects from the new vaccine (like heart inflammation) surpasses that number.

source:
This would hit harder in a rational individual if presented with it.


Search covidshield for the COVID vax.

The WHO itself has reported over 2.5M adverse events. Over 41K in the 12-17 age range.

And you can see the types of adverse events. Over 130,000 cardiac disorders. Over 720,000 musculoskeletal disorders. Over 1M nervous system disorders.

If someone were to trust the WHO in getting the jab, they should also trust the WHO's own adverse events reporting system.

Of course many won't as they live in a nonsensical false reality.
 

joost

Kingfisher
^^

And I forgot to mention most COVID deaths at that age are probably due to conditions like obesity, diabetes, etc.

I think you should take the shot if you're in the risk group (fat, +70yo...) since the risks of dying from COVID is higher than possible side effects from the shot. What pisses me off is trying to force people to take it.

That's like diversity. If diversity is so good, why does it have to be pushed our throats?
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
The WHO itself has reported over 2.5M adverse events. Over 41K in the 12-17 age range.
I have a few short healthcare testimony video of under-reporting that I'd use to show that, as large as that figure is, it's likely to be at least 50% short of the mark. That would give a number of at least 3.75 million adverse event, which makes it the highest number on record. My opinion is AE's are much, much higher. It's always worth telling people that sobering thought.
 
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