My view on dating in the USA.....is this accurate?

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

That's a great point that is never mentioned. Below average or average people speak of "average" people like they aren't worthy. There's a massive sense of entitlement across both genders. Even here a few weeks ago before the user AustraliaSucks was banned, he posted something along the lines of "no man should settle for a woman below an 8 and above the age of 21", a popular sentiment among PUA and migtow weirdos for many years. It's just delusional. And then he was complaining that no woman noticed or would give him the time of day in Latin America. Completely unaware of what's staring him in the mirror, marching on with his unrealistic expectations. These men are unwilling to look beyond exterior beauty and find a pleasant humble simple women who's on their level. So many have such unrealistic expectations these days (and I realize there's a lot of good average western men dumpster diving these days, which is another illness of all of this). Even a baseline handsome man or pretty girl, (not truly beautiful outliers) is really just average. If we weren't programmed to find average attractive, the human race would have gone extinct or not grown to this size. But we as a society lie to ourselves that average isnt good enough for us, or shame those who settle for "average" because our sick society told us you can only accept the best. And as this development has accelerated over the last couple decades... native western populations shrink. What's happening is a lot of people spin their wheels in an unsuccessful attempt to reach their unrealistic expectations, then at 40 something they have or will realize it's too late.

Absolutely. To add, the sense of entitlement is through the roof for women especially due to hypergamy on steroids and a society telling her she's so special and deserves so much stimulating her already flawed and delusional solipsism. For a modern day woman, average doesn't exist: she certainly will rate herself always (way) above average, while she doesn't even notice the average men she encounters in life. But for men there's too a sense of entitlement, although they will rate themselves consistently lower than women and will on average underestimate themselves, where women will overestimate themselves tremendously. The entitlement for men then is the entitlement that one would get a wife/girlfriend by not living up to being a man, but instead living a juvenile childish lifestyle of gaming, bad food, no ambition, all has already been said about it. But then what remains? A major chasm between a delusional crowd of women pursuing a fata morgana of something that doesn't or barely exist, all competing for that top 10% or less men, and all the men stumbling around at the bottom in the dark not knowing where they are, what direction to take, how to get out of the situation they're in, how to improve their life etc, therefore everyone losing at the end: the women running towards the cliff in ecstacy and falling into it, the men wallowing around in the quicksand and dying of exhaustion.

 

[The Catalyst]

That's a great point that is never mentioned. Below average or average people speak of "average" people like they aren't worthy. There's a massive sense of entitlement across both genders. Even here a few weeks ago before the user AustraliaSucks was banned, he posted something along the lines of "no man should settle for a woman below an 8 and above the age of 21", a popular sentiment among PUA and migtow weirdos for many years. It's just delusional. And then he was complaining that no woman noticed or would give him the time of day in Latin America. Completely unaware of what's staring him in the mirror, marching on with his unrealistic expectations. These men are unwilling to look beyond exterior beauty and find a pleasant humble simple women who's on their level. So many have such unrealistic expectations these days (and I realize there's a lot of good average western men dumpster diving these days, which is another illness of all of this). Even a baseline handsome man or pretty girl, (not truly beautiful outliers) is really just average. If we weren't programmed to find average attractive, the human race would have gone extinct or not grown to this size. But we as a society lie to ourselves that average isnt good enough for us, or shame those who settle for "average" because our sick society told us you can only accept the best. And as this development has accelerated over the last couple decades... native western populations shrink. What's happening is a lot of people spin their wheels in an unsuccessful attempt to reach their unrealistic expectations, then at 40 something they have or will realize it's too late.

Maybe I am just using this as a hammer who sees everything as a nail, but I think it's largely because of the attractiveness collapse. We normally would want attractive people but they just aren't there anymore.

 

[Blade Runner]

Maybe I am just using this as a hammer who sees everything as a nail, but I think it's largely because of the attractiveness collapse. We normally would want attractive people but they just aren't there anymore.

Yes, as a general rule, also realize what stands out in people's minds: the average person. I fully admit and confirm that the average has gone down for both sexes, and bias makes this stand out in people's minds, especially on this board. But the number of attractive men on an objective historic scale, while average (or worse) is very high, these are all higher. It's a bizarre skew. I don't know why this is a controversial point when one thinks about it: more men than ever know what works regarding diet and exercise in the gym. Who knew or did that 40-60 years ago? No one. But it's not like there are a ton of women who still work out (maybe they run) because that's not in their makeup. But the food and booze caught up with them, and the age thing makes it so that it's a runaway process. Again, women are, men become.

One thing I also saw as an interesting point were the older and I believe wiser women (these were black women I'm pretty sure on his reddit) said that marrying "for love" in general was a mistake. They can learn to love a man, while the original emotional (erotic) love that people think takes them or carries them away seems to be something that always blew up in their face (probably because they were shooting too high, tbh). What they were getting at was that it was more important to marry for compatibility and resources, as those were what was really important from a practical point of view.

 

[Cynllo]

 

[Nordwand]

Has anyone seen this before? Stay frosty guys, you don't know what's out there:

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[Nordwand]

Maybe I am just using this as a hammer who sees everything as a nail, but I think it's largely because of the attractiveness collapse. We normally would want attractive people but they just aren't there anymore.

I've been thinking the same for a while. It's rare that I go out anywhere now, and a woman catches my eye.

 

[The Catalyst]

I've been thinking the same for a while. It's rare that I go out anywhere now, and a woman catches my eye.

Attractiveness collapse is *big* in the UK.

 

[Blade Runner]

Attractiveness collapse is *big* in the UK.

Notice how when this happens, it's a race to the bottom - males become more image oriented and females take on the more masculine characteristic of desiring looks in their partner. That just makes the 1.5% of female 7s shrink to 1%, then 0.5%, etc because everything is so askew (and the personalities of the women get worse since so few are good looking anymore, they get all the attention). It's sorta like looking at IG and realizing how awful a "hot" woman would be to be with for longer than a couple of dates, lol

Something tells me (since I always talked about M:F ratios as the only real fix) that the period we are entering clearly has depopulation as its main trait, in a fixed characteristic way more than the evildoers who do want people to perish. They are just verbalizing the madness out loud, and trying to combine it with slavery of a different sort, to boot ... a weird combination of vices all coming at the same time.

 

[andy dufresne]

Mouse Utopia Incoming. Get ready.....

Notice how when this happens, it's a race to the bottom - males become more image oriented and females take on the more masculine characteristic of desiring looks in their partner. That just makes the 1.5% of female 7s shrink to 1%, then 0.5%, etc because everything is so askew (and the personalities of the women get worse since so few are good looking anymore, they get all the attention). It's sorta like looking at IG and realizing how awful a "hot" woman would be to be with for longer than a couple of dates, lol

Something tells me (since I always talked about M:F ratios as the only real fix) that the period we are entering clearly has depopulation as its main trait, in a fixed characteristic way more than the evildoers who do want people to perish. They are just verbalizing the madness out loud, and trying to combine it with slavery of a different sort, to boot ... a weird combination of vices all coming at the same time.

 

[Cynllo]

We need this.

 

[Cynllo]

 

[yuzhnytech]

Notice how when this happens, it's a race to the bottom - males become more image oriented and females take on the more masculine characteristic of desiring looks in their partner. That just makes the 1.5% of female 7s shrink to 1%, then 0.5%, etc because everything is so askew (and the personalities of the women get worse since so few are good looking anymore, they get all the attention). It's sorta like looking at IG and realizing how awful a "hot" woman would be to be with for longer than a couple of dates, lol

Something tells me (since I always talked about M:F ratios as the only real fix) that the period we are entering clearly has depopulation as its main trait, in a fixed characteristic way more than the evildoers who do want people to perish. They are just verbalizing the madness out loud, and trying to combine it with slavery of a different sort, to boot ... a weird combination of vices all coming at the same time.

Basic biology 101. Women can have extremely limited kids in their lifetime, so they need to be selective. Getting pregnant can be a mortal risk.

Looks is THE key indicator of genetic value. Sexual attraction, the ability for women to be aroused by simply looking at a man, is an animalistic instinct that is hard programmed for a pure biological reason.

 

[Blade Runner]

Basic biology 101. Women can have extremely limited kids in their lifetime, so they need to be selective. Getting pregnant can be a mortal risk.

You're missing a lot, including most of the posts on this thread demonstrating why this blanket statement isn't accurate, really, at all. Women 5s need to be selective? LOL. Pregnancy is a mortal risk? Again, do you know what year this is?

Women aren't required to "get aroused" to have a family. Men are. Do some thread searches.

 

[yuzhnytech]

You're missing a lot, including most of the posts on this thread demonstrating why this blanket statement isn't accurate, really, at all. Women 5s need to be selective? LOL. Pregnancy is a mortal risk? Again, do you know what year this is?

Women aren't required to "get aroused" to have a family. Men are. Do some thread searches.

In many parts of the world, pregnancy can be a mortal risk for women. Our brains are not hard wired for advanced technology yet -- mate selection is based on primal instinct for the most part.

Doesn't change the point that appearance = genetic value. Countless studies across all societies have show things like height, facial symmetry are universally attractive. There are two types of value: socioeconomic and genetic. One is certain to be passed on, the other may or may not be.

Women 5s can be as selective as they please. Low tier men are not entitled to reproduce, and have never been throughout history.

 

[Blade Runner]

Doesn't change the point that appearance = genetic value. Countless studies across all societies have show things like height, facial symmetry are universally attractive. There are two types of value: socioeconomic and genetic. One is certain to be passed on, the other may or may not be.

Correct.

Women 5s can be as selective as they please. Low tier men are not entitled to reproduce, and have never been throughout history

Not really. But they can try. I agree low tier men are not entitled, indeed. Neither are low tier women. The discussion at hand is about how above average men get little in the west on either front, physical or personality/helpmate.

I'm not sure what you are stating that adds to the discussion.

 

[stugatz]

In many parts of the world, pregnancy can be a mortal risk for women. Our brains are not hard wired for advanced technology yet -- mate selection is based on primal instinct for the most part.

Doesn't change the point that appearance = genetic value. Countless studies across all societies have show things like height, facial symmetry are universally attractive. There are two types of value: socioeconomic and genetic. One is certain to be passed on, the other may or may not be.

Women 5s can be as selective as they please. Low tier men are not entitled to reproduce, and have never been throughout history.

"Low tier men are not entitled to reproduce" - that may be true, but you seem to be hinting at how it's a good thing if they can't reproduce. We had a very good - arguably fair! - system set up, and reverting back to a de facto polygamous society (where 10% of men get almost all of the women) is going to be extremely destructive for the West.

If you want an average nobody of a man to be tamed and to be a hard worker, give him a job and give him a wife and chldren to take care of. He'll show up to that job religiously and bust his hump trying to provide for his family.

What happens when a bunch of men that meet this description aren't going to find wives and aren't going to reproduce? Crime is likely going to skyrocket as these reject men now have nothing to lose. (I'd also assume sexual crimes and crimes related to it will become endemic. Even 10% of these men being dangerous would be enough to be a major problem.) You'll likely have a huge dip in technology, services, and productivity, as a lot of the men who make up these types of grunt work jobs aren't going to want to work too hard, if they even hold them...they don't have families they have to provide for.

"Low tier men" having a chance at a family is the best thing that ever happened to the West, & it's been thrown away.

 

[Easy_C]

In many parts of the world, pregnancy can be a mortal risk for women. Our brains are not hard wired for advanced technology yet -- mate selection is based on primal instinct for the most part.

Doesn't change the point that appearance = genetic value. Countless studies across all societies have show things like height, facial symmetry are universally attractive. There are two types of value: socioeconomic and genetic. One is certain to be passed on, the other may or may not be.

Women 5s can be as selective as they please. Low tier men are not entitled to reproduce, and have never been throughout history.

Keep in mind the "pretty boy" look that's popular these days isn't that great for survival from a caveman perspective.
For that, the ideal physical appearance is something like:

 

[It_is_my_time]

It depends on what you mean by "low tier men". I consider low tier men to be low IQ, and physically weak and often turn to crime as a means to provide for themselves. But in our western society these men are having the most kids thanks to ghetto hoodrat life and welfare to low IQ women.

I don't consider a fit man, with a 95 IQ, willing to follow the rules and to work hard, and help others to be "low tier". These are damn good men who will often produce very productive and sometimes higher IQ children.

 

[Blade Runner]

It depends on what you mean by "low tier men". I consider low tier men to be low IQ, and physically weak and often turn to crime as a means to provide for themselves. But in our western society these men are having the most kids thanks to ghetto hoodrat life and welfare to low IQ women.

I don't consider a fit man, with a 95 IQ, willing to follow the rules and to work hard, and help others to be "low tier". These are damn good men who will often produce very productive and sometimes higher IQ children.

This is accurate. I can see what @yuzhnytech was saying, but his analysis left out the west's dysgenic approval through welfare. As such (unlike in Russia) what you've had is a drop in middle class, and a procreation of much greater multitudes with the elite and certainly the real low tier types. The West's boom bust cycle that started this all will cause greater culling of both low tier and middle tier due to the violence and chaos that occurs when the real bust and crisis era comes. Just how the elites like it, sadly.

 

[stugatz]

It depends on what you mean by "low tier men". I consider low tier men to be low IQ, and physically weak and often turn to crime as a means to provide for themselves. But in our western society these men are having the most kids thanks to ghetto hoodrat life and welfare to low IQ women.

I don't consider a fit man, with a 95 IQ, willing to follow the rules and to work hard, and help others to be "low tier". These are damn good men who will often produce very productive and sometimes higher IQ children.

I think by "low tier men," he means men that flat out are sexually unappealing to women and likely would have gotten passed over before we had monogamy. Men who not only are physically unappealing but have no charisma or social skills either.

Problem is, if things revert back to the way they were pre-monogamy, even average and slightly above average men are going to get shafted. I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that 90-95% of men in a society are "low tier". This is like saying that every car that isn't a Rolls Royce is junk.

Darwinism is a horrible thing to base civilization on.