My view on dating in the USA.....is this accurate?

Waverer

Robin
Great post, Speculation. We all laugh at all the average women who have checklists like "Must be a doctor or lawyer, above 6ft, funny, great with kids, fantastic dancer, generous not divorced..." and it's plain as day that they that they will either have to give up their checklist or die alone.

But I am not sure some of the checklist items above are any more realistic. Maybe there is the odd beautiful virgin 16 year old just waiting for a proposal from an average man in his thirties or forties but I wouldn't advise anyone here to date no one else based on that hope.
 

Zeknichov

Pigeon
I see this concept or some variant so often on this board and throughout what was the manosphere - "Marry some girl in her early 20's. Any older than that and they've hit the wall".

It completely goes against anything I've seen as functionally practical in the real world. If you're in your 20's, fine. But if you're in your 30's or older in the West, you're really stretching to get a girl more than 10 years younger than you for a stable relationship. Even if you can get them, you can't rely on them as a partner who can think for themselves. They're often in a different place where they haven't explored the world and constructed a solid basis for their core personality based on life experience. This makes it difficult to relate to them and they can end up breaking away from you after they've self-actualized.

I understand that girls who reach their 30's without settling down often have some mental obstacle or issue which they haven't overcome. But so do guys (and there are numerous examples of this on this ex-pua board). The best thing to do if you're older is to find a girl that has overcome those issues and is truly repentant.

Don't even get me started on the concept of only marrying a virgin. Its great if you can get them, but if you have this as a deal breaker you risk waiting for a very long time. More so if you've left the green fields of the university dating environment. Virginity is fantastic for pair bonding, but its no guarantee of long term compatibility. You're relying on the chemical bond to do the heavy lifting for you with a much younger woman.

I don't mean by any of this that men should settle down with the toxic trash that infests the West. What I'm saying is that realistic compromise is needed, particularly while we age.
I have only met 4 guys in real life who are what we can call "traditional" men and understand the manosphere and then myself. Based on this small select group, only two have found success with women. One who impregnated a virgin 18yo girl and married her. She comes from a religious farming family. The other one married a 22yo Mormon girl, also a virgin. Both are very happy, their wives are quite attractive and happen to be exactly what they are looking for. For now anyway though I highly doubt that'll change. Both women come from upbringings and families were divorce is highly looked down on.

The other two and myself have tried older average modern women but it doesn't work. I get it that these women can work for some guys but generally speaking if you're speaking to a guy on this forum who likely shares "traditional" male values when it comes to how they want a woman to treat them and how they want their relationship dynamics to function, you can't go older. At least, I haven't seen it work. If you're desperate you can find a woman to settle for and always had that option but she won't be what you want. She's just what you're settling for. It depends what kind of guy you are. Personally, I would only ever marry a woman who wanted to stay home, look after the kids, home-school and who was extremely feminine in personality (soft, sensitive, kind, compassionate and elegant). I absolutely detest masculine women. Perhaps I'm wrong and maybe it's far more common but I've yet to see it personally. Compromise isn't needed because I'd rather be single than with a woman I could never love and I feel most men end up believing this, hence movements like MGTOW.

There are exceptions obviously but I would say younger is better if you're looking for the traditional kind of woman because if she truly embraces those values she's going to get snapped up by a man when she's young. If she manages to make it into her 30s, it's because chances are she doesn't have traditional values. You could maybe luck out and find one of those hybrid girls who have been struggling with their traditional roots and modern pressure such that they're suitable wives if you can be the masculine influence she needs to to allow them to focus on their traditional roots rather than modernity but again I haven't seen it.
 
Women from 3rd world are more romantic and make a more affective movement towards men, as normally poor countries are sexist and poverty creates a strong link of dependence for survival.

I know of Americans who broke their heads with Eastern European and Asian women, either because they became Americanized or because they took too long to stand up for themselves and contribute financially (a green card can cost up to USD 800).
American men are unlikely to be happy playing the docile and submissive wife, because American men are children of women and this cultural DNA weighs in.

I am not prejudiced against women over 30 years old. Since I never married. I have precociousness with young women who have already devoured themselves. One of 30 without being married still has this positive expectation, a woman who got divorced or who was sucked a long time already lost the sparkle in her eyes.
Love involves a bit of luck too, finding the right person at the right time. I know many good women that I would marry if I were well, but who at the moment don't even think about it.
 

Mr Freedom

Sparrow
I feel sorry for people under the age of 30 right now. You came of age in a time when online dating was THE way to meet people, where I've always been under the impression its a garbage heap. So your lives are dependent on the internet/social media and you think it reflects real life. And there's a lot of social skills lost when you've built your whole social life online. Young girls also don't have these skills either, which means normal men (like me) who have social skills have little to work with. I prefer older chicks for this reason.

Younger guys don't really understand what it was like 10-20 years ago, so they don't have the tools to navigate the dating market. I've actually talked to some 25 year olds who have never approached a girl before, all they know is dating apps. Most girls aren't into hooking up on the first date. This is a small number of girls, and usually the ones in big cities. If you look at survey research, sex among teens and 20 year olds is actually down. Most people don't actually ever meetup online -- this is part of the social autism that has inflicted 20 somethings in the US. I think there's a perception vs. reality issue here. Perception: girls are hooking up with guys left and right, because they're so hard to get on dating apps. Reality: most girls aren't leaving the house. They're stuck in their online worlds where they get a lot of fake praise and attention. It's even worse after COVID. The girls I know that are hooking up online are land whales or over 40.
Yes this is something I have observed in the last two years or so and I made a similar although more condensed point on another thread..

I firmly believe that the lack of empathy and sexual relations between men & women in the 18-26 age bracket of late millennial's and zoomers has more to do with Social Anxiety and general Social Retardation amongst the younger populace then due to the proliferation of 3rd wave feminism, legendary rare Pokemon like chads pumping & dumping women worldwide, MGTOW behaviors and such

Pre lockdown if you went to any workplace or restaurant and just took an observant look at male & female interaction between boomers and gen x'ers and then compared them to the interactions between younger millennials and/or zoomers its like they are a species apart. It's clear to me that males and females who were born from mid 90s up have no idea how to interact properly let alone flirt with someone from the opposite sex. Just look at your average 40 year old couple at a restaurant table and compare that with your early 20s couple.

There is a clear lack of serotonin in younger people and higher levels of dopamine. Which probably explains the mental health and depression pandemic that is taking over the Western World right now. You see Serotonin is the happy chemical which people get from doing activities they like, interacting with people they get along with (in real life) and for a man/woman to be around their partner of the opposite sex. It is one of the reasons why I love going out with my red-pilled friends to the park/city (even though some of them are rather immature for their age and I mean this in a funny way) I don't mean to brag but I genuinely enjoy their company and even ladies passing by sense our energy and as a group we have been complimented for our social competence when in discussions with groups of women who we met spontaneously on any given day.

Anyway back to my point, it's clear that with constant Instagram toxic social media use by women and porn watching by men has led to the point where both men & women nowadays can't even look each other in the eye properly. This leads to a lack of genuine interaction, lack of serotonin and more depression amongst younger men and women. Hence why the relations between men and women are so toxic in the western world right now. You try to approach a good looking 21 year old today and she will just give a deer in the headlights look . Not because she does not want to respond but because she does not know how to. Might be a pretty face but you are essential dealing with a socially autistic individual.

Again I don't blame feminism or MGTOW for this as similar ideologies have existed for at least 50 years right now and did not gain much mainstream traction. These groups are just taking advantage of this current situation where a vast amount of normies are collapsing into depression and isolation because of the lack of inter-gender relations or face to face relations. Just take a look at some of the dumb shit advice you can read on reddit seduction or reddit FDS (who are basically just female incels) and you can see how socially retarded the late millennial/zoomer generation really is.

I feel like we have hit an inverse of the situation from the 70s and 80s when sex was more rampant. I guess people had a more care free attitude of life without caring much about the consequences - the current millennial and zoomer generation who were produced from that previous group are a testament to that. However instead of trying to improve themselves the millennial/zoomer generation would rather spend their time complaining about the opposite sex because of the lack of their ability to create let alone sustain a genuine relationship with an individual be it for a brief period let alone long term.

Maybe Roosh is right after all. We need religion back in society because Secularism will lead to moral failure and social collapse.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
I'm not sure if this thread is just for complaining or also for solutions. If its for solutions try the following:
  1. Teach a class on anything that has both genders as students. First aid, community college, how to ultimate frisbee, firearms instruction etc.
By teaching the class you are automatically put into a position of authority and taken 'offline'. You will be able to look at how women in the class are looking at you while you are giving instruction to see their demeanor and their interest in you. The ones who are really interested in you will likely try to at least snoop on you on social media. In terms of church, this is why churches won't hire single youth/college pastors anymore. Their status among the young women they teach over becomes almost cult like and the temptation is off the charts now that private interactions can be held on the side via social media and messaging platforms.

Don't do this if teaching these classes is your actual "job" etc. as the potential for drama and discipline isn't worth it, but if its just a throw away fun thing you don't have much to lose.

I say this as someone who was a college instructor at one time and taught a number of other professional courses. The pay and prestige of these jobs was about 1/4 of what I make now but the level of interest from women was through the roof.
 

mubs100

Sparrow
Essentially, to put into simplest terms, modern/American dating CULTURE is shit and does not work. This is everything that developed from the 1950s onward in Globalised American Culture in terms of dating and relationships. It does not work.

Every new mainstream cultural norm related to dating post 19-50 does not work..

1. High-School Romance
2. Boyfriend-Girlfriend Bullshit Drama
3. Online Dating
4. Restaurant/Bar Date
5. 'Going on a date'

The culture sucks and women know it deep-down. If they get a whiff of any of this cultural norm coming out of you as you interact with them you are gonna pay the price and be relegated to bottom-feeder hungry bitch beta male who just wants some.

If you are interested in a girl I think the best way is not to explicitly draw attention to it (acknowledgemen), build rapport under some pretense and 'make excuses' to spend time with them. The relationship should start without any overt acknowledgement that this is a relationship. This could be more important amongst City girls vs the younger, simpler rural women who just want to settle-down quick and get that house, car, husband etc. I don't advocate men in the whole going for low-hanging fruit, that would be more of an individual choice.

Men who follow the standard 'dating' norms are going in a tough time because this is not what women want.

No one wants to sit across the table from someone with their guards up, because they dont wanna be evaluated, disappointed, while at the same time acting and pretending to be cool and nonchalant, while forcing yourself to have a good time.

If you interact with woman its good if it is under some pretense, so if their is no romance there is always an excuse and you were never really there explicitly for romance anyway so it wont need to be acknowledged. Women like deniability and they dont want to appear too forward just cos they agreed on a date or something, so it is better to have the pretense there because it allows the woman to open up while still having deniability, which is very powerful.
 
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@Mr.Freedom

"I feel like we have hit an inverse of the situation from the 70s and 80s when sex was more rampant. I guess people had a more care free attitude of life without caring much about the consequences - the current millennial and zoomer generation who were produced from that previous group are a testament to that. However instead of trying to improve themselves the millennial/zoomer generation would rather spend their time complaining about the opposite sex because of the lack of their ability to create let alone sustain a genuine relationship with an individual be it for a brief period let alone long term."


I respectfully disagree that it comes down to individual zoomers/millennials not wanting to improve themselves. There are many millennials and zoomers (especially males) who go through the process of improving themselves....the reality is there a very few quality women out there.

In regards to some people saying online dating distorts a man's perception of reality. I agree with this. COVID, social distancing, and leftist ideology are all working against in person interactions though.

It's so easy for older men to say "just improve yourself." The reality is the top tier of men go beyond looks, decent income, and basic game.

Social media and online dating have changed the market.

Imagine you are picking from 100 restaurants....you will choose only the very best. This is the scenario women are presented with.......they will choose the best they can get. Why wouldn't they?

"So be the very best", you say.

By chasing the tippy top of men these women will inevitably go through pump and dumps and failed relationships. I don't understand how older guys can't see the dilemma.

Don't commit to broken women. A simple heuristic for not getting wrecked.

I do feel bad for the zoomers. Tik tok has likely ruined a good portion of their generation. If i was going to place a bet, I'd say marriage rates will continue to drop. Same with birth rates.

Very sad to see.
 

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
Wow, that chart showing average age at first marriage in the USA of 27 blew my mind.
I had an article on ROK complaining that the age of first marriage in the US was rising from it's LOOOONG position at age 20-22. The prediction at that time was that we would soon be at age 27 in year 2020. That's deeply concerning that it has happened just as planned.


As for the views of dating in the US, I came across this youtube video the other day. The guy created a Dating Difficulty Matrix which compares average salary to dating difficulty. Needless to say, the US was at the top of both, while southeast Asia lies at the bottom.

Now, I don't necessarily endorse this guy's worldview, as he seems to have years of videos of his post-divorce life from a decent looking 40-ish guy to someone now visibly old and gray, and he has not settled down with a woman yet, but instead appears to just be having fun hopping from country to country. He also has chosen the somewhat questionable youtube name of "Asian romance." But I do think the correlation is worth noting. A woman who is not spoiled and understands the value of money will value a man and what he can provide.

The reality is most women today do not need men. They have their financial needs taken care of by the corporations and governments. They have emotional needs taken care of by pets and other single friends (along with drugs and alcohol). They have physical needs taken care of by pornography and sex toys. (That was another article titled The Age of Disillusionment).

Women from less affluent areas still crave these needs to be met, and they greatly reward the men who grant them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezuztQ5zWE0
 
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BlastbeatCasanova

Kingfisher
Yeah man, the dating scene seems brutal these days, especially in the age of COVID. One of my old player friends seems like he has switched gears completely after ~100 notches and wants to find a decent chick before he hits 35. We have a mutual friend in his 40's that still dates a ton of young girls but I don't know what his endgame is...I initially thought it seemed like a great lifestyle but now I'm not so sure.

Seems like a lot of my friends (the high quality ones) are getting boo'd up into long term relationships with some solid girls. I myself am in an LTR with a stellar chick but next to the very long list of great qualities she has are a couple of big things that I'm not sure how will pan out. I thought about making a post about it but I'm not so sure. They say don't let perfect be the enemy of good and all that. Sometimes being single looks great but in these crazy times it's nice having a good girl having my back
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
Wow, that chart showing average age at first marriage in the USA of 27 blew my mind.
I had an article on ROK complaining that the age of first marriage in the US was rising from it's LOOOONG position at age 20-22. The prediction at that time was that we would soon be at age 27 in year 2020. That's deeply concerning that it has happened just as planned.


As for the views of dating in the US, I came across this youtube video the other day. The guy created a Dating Difficulty Matrix which compares average salary to dating difficulty. Needless to say, the US was at the top of both, while southeast Asia lies at the bottom.

Now, I don't necessarily endorse this guy's worldview, as he seems to have years of videos of his post-divorce life from a decent looking 40-ish guy to someone now visibly old and gray, and he has not settled down with a woman yet, but instead appears to just be having fun hopping from country to country. He also has chosen the somewhat questionable youtube name of "Asian romance." But I do think the correlation is worth noting. A woman who is not spoiled and understands the value of money will value a man and what he can provide.

The reality is most women today do not need men. They have their financial needs taken care of by the corporations and governments. They have emotional needs taken care of by pets and other single friends (along with drugs and alcohol). They have physical needs taken care of by pornography and sex toys. (That was another article titled The Age of Disillusionment).

Women from less affluent areas still crave these needs to be met, and they greatly reward the men who grant them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezuztQ5zWE0
I'll add on to the sex toys with a weird anecdote. I have known more than 1 Christian woman that has a collection of sex toys for her own use. It seems really weird to me that they are fine with it. It seems like blurring the lines to think "God wants me to wait until marriage to copulate with real male genitals, but until then I can fornicate with an oversized rubber one...this is fine"
 
1) I personally don't think Russian and Ukrainian women make very good wives in most cases.
Hi men. Could you tell me why ukrainian or eastern european women are not the wife ???
do you think an average latin woman is better than a ukrainian?
if you can argue your opinion i will appreciate.
 

pitbullowner

Pelican
. Find a church with a younger crowd.

In the South... that's mostly just hillsong-esque churches with rock bands and light shows. Young people don't go to orthodox/catholic or "hellfire & brimstone" southern/primitive Baptist churches down here. I've visited several catholic churches (even some with female leadership which blew me away by that alone)and a couple of Orthodox parishes. Very few if any single women that exemplify chastity and modesty go there.

To them, church is like another app to be opened and closed and compartmentalized after 12PM Sunday , prior to getting strange from Secular Chad Tcock on Friday night- Saturday morning after a bar hookup. That's very much what I've found because of such infection of women's "sexual d̶e̶s̶t̶r̶u̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ liberation"... it's so incredibly pervasive.
 
prior to getting strange from Secular Chad Tcock on Friday night- Saturday morning after a bar hookup.
That's the impression I got from the Orthodox (and Novus Ordo Catholic) churches in my area. The problem with Orthodox (in foreign countries) I see is that they view it as a cultural accessory, while Catholics have some twisted guilt about their religion hence don't take it seriously. I visited an FSSPX chapel a couple of times, and the frequenters there are genuine practitioners of the faith.

That's very much what I've found because of such infection of women's "sexual d̶e̶s̶t̶r̶u̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ liberation"... it's so incredibly pervasive.
You have to know that we men are as, if not more responsible than women in this. We inherited the (consequences of the) sins of our fathers. I believe we all know what it really takes to be a man, and we have to act on that inherent natural law that dwells in us. I noticed that you can get even feminist and degenerated women in line if you rule with tough love and an iron fist.
 

ball dont lie

Kingfisher
Gold Member
A couple of years ago my advice would be P.R. China.

But its an investment to learn the language and culture. Taiwan is also a good choice.

Also, lots of churches full of young women. They will not be 7s or 8s. So if 6s are your thing and a catholic Chinese girl sounds like something you might be able to handle, you wouldnt go wrong with that.

Also: 10-15 year age gap is not an issue if you keep fit, speak the language and work hard to make money (even teaching english, but treating it as a full time operation).

Where is Traveler Kai? :hmm::hmm:
 
I happen to be pretty good looking and all of these women, except for the rare ones with tricky photos appeared to be quality to me. I might be a little too forgiving in the sense that I give people the benefit of the doubt. Women lie so much it's tough to figure them out without an in-person meet.
That' why online-dating and social media is a lie. Of course every girl will portray the best version of herself - it's like an ad in the newspaper. You don't know what you're getting into unless you met her already in person. I'm more cynical so I'm inclined to see the bad in women in the smallest of gestures, tone of voice, and choice of words. It filters out a lot of bad or damaged women, at the same time I won't trust the good girls until I know them for a while. My approach is day or social circle game with mediocre to no success.

Day game is a huge hit and miss. You can attract the girl you exactly want when you trust your gut instinct, but it could go on for weeks or months until you find one that suits you. Problem is day game girls are less forgiving because they don't know you well. Social circle is as safe as a bunker and can bail you out when you fucked it up somehow, and when you establish alpha status among the group you can have your pick. But you have to choose wisely because if things break apart, it could divide the circle and rumors spread etc. It is basically what Roosh already mentioned in Day Bang and Game.

Never will I use internet dating or social media. Better die a hermit than trusting the electronicsjew to find me a girl.

You have to be careful here though because even if she's 16 and a virgin it doesn't mean she has a good sense of morality. Without a solid moral foundation, she will likely still leave you still but the chances will be lower.

Virgins are always preferable, always, but arguably you are better off with a 23yo with strong morals than a 16yo without them. There are valid reasons for a 23yo to not be married with kids already. Some religions bar women from that path until they are 20yos for example but still enforce chastity. Circumstance (moving locations; lack of available men) might have denied her the opportunity and she might actually be quite ready to finally settle-down. But I'm probably doing my usual giving people the benefit of the doubt problem. It's just such slim pickings out there that I'm willing to check anything that has potential out just to see.

I mean realistically how does a 32yo marry a 16yo virgin with a solid moral foundation that simply wants to have children and raise a family these days? Doesn't seem practical. A 23yo virgin religious girl who just hasn't found the right guy yet seems a little more reasonable.
I disagree. There was a conservative Baptist church I attended for months and the girls were so well bred and had character as solid as a rock that you could marry them already with 15-17 years of age no problem. It depends how a girl is raised and how strong her will is.

Sometimes the logistics are a reason why a girl is not married even though she's long overdue. From my experience, it is usually because the girl has a couple screws loose, which doesn't mean that she lacks morals, just saying that she has one or several severe mental issues that block her from pairbonding with a man. I've met enough virgins over 20, religious and non-religious, and while they were one of the best girls I've met, at the same time I had zero sexual interest despite their good looks. There was always something vehemently asexual about them despite them wanting to be married.

If a girl is part of a Christian sect that is full of cucks I can understand, but that is ever so much the exception. Every girl who is 25+ and still a virgin and not in an sheltered environment is a girl who is not sexual and (fully) feminine.

A girl with bad experiences from which she learned is worse than a girl with none such experiences because she thought beforehand.
 

Zeknichov

Pigeon
That' why online-dating and social media is a lie. Of course every girl will portray the best version of herself - it's like an ad in the newspaper. You don't know what you're getting into unless you met her already in person. I'm more cynical so I'm inclined to see the bad in women in the smallest of gestures, tone of voice, and choice of words. It filters out a lot of bad or damaged women, at the same time I won't trust the good girls until I know them for a while. My approach is day or social circle game with mediocre to no success.

Day game is a huge hit and miss. You can attract the girl you exactly want when you trust your gut instinct, but it could go on for weeks or months until you find one that suits you. Problem is day game girls are less forgiving because they don't know you well. Social circle is as safe as a bunker and can bail you out when you fucked it up somehow, and when you establish alpha status among the group you can have your pick. But you have to choose wisely because if things break apart, it could divide the circle and rumors spread etc. It is basically what Roosh already mentioned in Day Bang and Game.

Never will I use internet dating or social media. Better die a hermit than trusting the electronicsjew to find me a girl.


I disagree. There was a conservative Baptist church I attended for months and the girls were so well bred and had character as solid as a rock that you could marry them already with 15-17 years of age no problem. It depends how a girl is raised and how strong her will is.

Sometimes the logistics are a reason why a girl is not married even though she's long overdue. From my experience, it is usually because the girl has a couple screws loose, which doesn't mean that she lacks morals, just saying that she has one or several severe mental issues that block her from pairbonding with a man. I've met enough virgins over 20, religious and non-religious, and while they were one of the best girls I've met, at the same time I had zero sexual interest despite their good looks. There was always something vehemently asexual about them despite them wanting to be married.

If a girl is part of a Christian sect that is full of cucks I can understand, but that is ever so much the exception. Every girl who is 25+ and still a virgin and not in an sheltered environment is a girl who is not sexual and (fully) feminine.

A girl with bad experiences from which she learned is worse than a girl with none such experiences because she thought beforehand.
These baptist churches sound pretty interesting to me. I'm in Canada unfortunately so I don't have access to them. What states are they in? I may consider trying to move there. I'm been looking to get out of Canada for a while. At this stage in my life the only thing I feel like doing is starting a family but there's no suitable women where I live for families. I'm already divorced... My ex-wife just used me to help her finish school, cheated on me twice (didn't catch her the first time but found out both at once) and treated me like garbage. I ended up having to pay her $40k to leave the marriage. I'm a little more cautious these days. She was from a small town, very conservative family and seemed to be great but then when she went to law school in a very liberal university she made friends with feminists and started shifting her views such that she saw the relationship with me to be nothing more than a transaction to benefit her. She stopped caring about my happiness entirely. I just want to find someone who'll actually be committed to me and I to them for the rest of my life. I don't want to be bothered with these butchered half marriages and be treated like nothing more than an accessory to someone's instagram account.
 
I am an American expat and don't even think about women when I am back in the US. For better or worse, the women there don't rise to a standard that would stimulate a heterosexual response. My main concern when I am there is to avoid interactions with mentally ill service workers so I don't have a confrontation. The level of social retardation has reached a level where it is hard to conduct the business of daily life without fighting with belligerent women. Dating is out of the question.

If you are in your 20s, there are still women in your age range who aren't physically grotesque, although mental problems seem to already be rampant in that group as well.
These kind of attitudes are even common in 3rd world countries now. Smartphones broke their brains and most 30+ year old single wall hitting women are completely gone mentally...

Reminds me of:


Covid will only make this worse.

The elites are creating an ultra atomized world for the great takeover and the coming of the antichrist...

Lots of people will not only die physically but spiritually in early age...

I predict spiritual death at age 30 for the average youngin' if not earlier...
 
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These baptist churches sound pretty interesting to me. I'm in Canada unfortunately so I don't have access to them. What states are they in? I may consider trying to move there. I'm been looking to get out of Canada for a while. At this stage in my life the only thing I feel like doing is starting a family but there's no suitable women where I live for families. I'm already divorced... My ex-wife just used me to help her finish school, cheated on me twice (didn't catch her the first time but found out both at once) and treated me like garbage. I ended up having to pay her $40k to leave the marriage. I'm a little more cautious these days. She was from a small town, very conservative family and seemed to be great but then when she went to law school in a very liberal university she made friends with feminists and started shifting her views such that she saw the relationship with me to be nothing more than a transaction to benefit her. She stopped caring about my happiness entirely. I just want to find someone who'll actually be committed to me and I to them for the rest of my life. I don't want to be bothered with these butchered half marriages and be treated like nothing more than an accessory to someone's instagram account.
Man, I'm very sorry to read what you've been through. This is why I would never take a girl who is or was in university, except when she studied languages, literature, or teaching. You meant well, but I believe too much knowledge and the wrong friends can turn any woman into the devil.

These Baptist churches are in Germany. Some are descendants of the Mennonites hence their strict code of conduct. I don't know how it is in Canada but I'm sure you will find churches of the Mennonite Order and have your luck there. You have to know that they keep knowledge outside the Bible - especially for girls - very limited, so don't expect to have conversations about current cultural topics.
 

Zeknichov

Pigeon
Man, I'm very sorry to read what you've been through. This is why I would never take a girl who is or was in university, except when she studied languages, literature, or teaching. You meant well, but I believe too much knowledge and the wrong friends can turn any woman into the devil.

These Baptist churches are in Germany. Some are descendants of the Mennonites hence their strict code of conduct. I don't know how it is in Canada but I'm sure you will find churches of the Mennonite Order and have your luck there. You have to know that they keep knowledge outside the Bible - especially for girls - very limited, so don't expect to have conversations about current cultural topics.
Do you happen to know anything more about these Mennonites and what they might be like in Canada? What's the lifestyle like if you convert? The only time I've heard of Mennonites before is when I was in university my ex had a friend who was friends with some ex-Mennonites and they talked about the Mennonite "colony" that sounded like it was a slightly more tech savvy Amish community. I was hoping to find something that was more integrated with modern society but still held onto their traditional moral beliefs and gender roles. I'm not sure if I'm willing to embrace a farming, low-tech lifestyle.

Edit - Oh and I appreciate your acknowledgement of what I've been though. I'm not bitter about it at all though. It really opened my eyes to relationships, life, love and modern society. It taught me a lot and I grew into a much better person for it. I feel like I was living in a haze for the time I was with her completely blind to the external influences society was promoting that were impacting us so I was powerless to do anything to strengthen the bond between us. I believe I'll make a far better husband, lover and father because of this mistake.

I agree with you regarding education. It is so very difficult to find quality educated women. Even among the quality educated women I've met, most feel obligated to work because of all the time/money they invested into education (along with social pressures from their peers) but then you can feel the pull they feel regarding how deep down, their femininity is calling them to stay home and nurture their children instead of sending their children to state-run day cares all day. These women seem overly anxious and never fully calm because society is agitating what they ultimately desire to conflict with the social pressures of modernity, which makes them not fully available emotionally because of the conflict inside of them. Society would be much better off if less women pursued education.
 
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GibsMeDat

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That's really sad man -- I know a few girls who also had seemingly solid upbringings and were eventually devoured by their friends immorality in University.

With a strong enough father and family this can be avoided but I've seen some pretty bad cases. For guys and girls both.
 
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