N.Korea: US student cries & admits to being "severe criminal" during press conf.
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I'm not really big on sympathy. He should have known the risks when he booked the tour. Not saying the punishment fits the crime, but it's North Korea - what did he expect?!
Reverse snake analogy.
Of course NK is just using this for leverage and attention, it's the type of tactics they've been employing for years. Again, no surprise here.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/07/is-north-korea-collecting-american-hostages.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_imprisonment_of_American_journalists_by_North_Korea
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22379241
Be smart out there fellas.
Fisto said:
I'm not really big on sympathy. He should have known the risks when he booked the tour. Not saying the punishment fits the crime, but it's North Korea - what did he expect?!
Reverse snake analogy.
Of course NK is just using this for leverage and attention, it's the type of tactics they've been employing for years. Again, no surprise here.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/07/is-north-korea-collecting-american-hostages.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_imprisonment_of_American_journalists_by_North_Korea
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22379241
Be smart out there fellas.
RE: N.Korea: US student cries & admits to being "severe criminal" during...
Is it really a 21 year old's fault for not knowing world politics?
I want to know where his parents were at. A bunch of liberal multi-kulti "WE ARE ALL EQUAL" types. And I'm sure his Ivy League brainwashing did not help him either.
There is no reason to not have sympathy for this kid.
Gmac said:
Is it really a 21 year old's fault for not knowing world politics?
I want to know where his parents were at. A bunch of liberal multi-kulti "WE ARE ALL EQUAL" types. And I'm sure his Ivy League brainwashing did not help him either.
There is no reason to not have sympathy for this kid.
21 year old men go off to war in search of adventure because they think they are invincible. That's probably all this kid was thinking when he went to NK.
If he did in fact try to steal a banner, then shame on him. However I think its more likely he was chosen by the NK government to be a bargaining chip with the US. I hope he gets home soon.
If he did in fact try to steal a banner, then shame on him. However I think its more likely he was chosen by the NK government to be a bargaining chip with the US. I hope he gets home soon.
RE: N.Korea: US student cries & admits to being "severe criminal" during...
Actually, I do expect a 21 year old, college educated student to know better. And if it helps...
From this article: "Otto was one of the smartest guys I've ever met," Thomas said. "I've never met a person that had a bad thing to say about him."
There is no doubt this is a incredibly terrible and unfortunate thing to happen to anyone and I'm sure his family and friends are devastated. This will serve a very hard life lesson for this young man, but I don't think it's safe to say his life is "over" as some other posters suggested. These hostage situations tend to work out well for NK as they use Americans as bargaining chips, who in most cases end up coming home.
However, even for the least street smart of Americans, a simple google search makes my case.
Whoops. Probably not the best idea.
If I could find this in a quick 5 second search on travel to NK, so could someone seriously considering traveling there.
Well gee whiz Gmac, that's not really fair. I'm young and I should be able to travel the world! Plus I'm an AMERICAN!
Give me a break.
When I was growing up my dad taught me about personal responsibility and real world consequences. On my 18th birthday my father told me that every decision from here on out was mine and I would have to live with the consequences of my EVERY action. He was firm but fair, and even before adulthood I learned some very harsh lessons (albeit not as harsh as this story).
Now I have no doubt that the US will negotiate for this kid's release but I do believe that his decision (and his family if involved) was selfish and reckless. Not only has this young man put himself in danger, he's put his entire country in a rough position. We should (collectively) be teaching young people about this sort of personal and national responsibility, but we don't. You would think these kinds of stunts should serve as a warning to others and yet here we are again.
We all make mistakes, but this particular choice and action to travel to a well-known, extremely high-risk country will come at a hefty price and penalty.
I do hope he returns swiftly to his friends and family, and that future generations of Americans will think twice before putting themselves in harm's way. In my opinion, some of you guys have gotten a little too soft.
Samseau said:
Actually, I do expect a 21 year old, college educated student to know better. And if it helps...
From this article: "Otto was one of the smartest guys I've ever met," Thomas said. "I've never met a person that had a bad thing to say about him."
There is no doubt this is a incredibly terrible and unfortunate thing to happen to anyone and I'm sure his family and friends are devastated. This will serve a very hard life lesson for this young man, but I don't think it's safe to say his life is "over" as some other posters suggested. These hostage situations tend to work out well for NK as they use Americans as bargaining chips, who in most cases end up coming home.
However, even for the least street smart of Americans, a simple google search makes my case.
Whoops. Probably not the best idea.
If I could find this in a quick 5 second search on travel to NK, so could someone seriously considering traveling there.
Well gee whiz Gmac, that's not really fair. I'm young and I should be able to travel the world! Plus I'm an AMERICAN!
Give me a break.
When I was growing up my dad taught me about personal responsibility and real world consequences. On my 18th birthday my father told me that every decision from here on out was mine and I would have to live with the consequences of my EVERY action. He was firm but fair, and even before adulthood I learned some very harsh lessons (albeit not as harsh as this story).
Now I have no doubt that the US will negotiate for this kid's release but I do believe that his decision (and his family if involved) was selfish and reckless. Not only has this young man put himself in danger, he's put his entire country in a rough position. We should (collectively) be teaching young people about this sort of personal and national responsibility, but we don't. You would think these kinds of stunts should serve as a warning to others and yet here we are again.
We all make mistakes, but this particular choice and action to travel to a well-known, extremely high-risk country will come at a hefty price and penalty.
I do hope he returns swiftly to his friends and family, and that future generations of Americans will think twice before putting themselves in harm's way. In my opinion, some of you guys have gotten a little too soft.
If I knew I could possibly get reamed; with the death penalty being possible, I would go out defiantly. Besides the fact that this guy really fucked up - pranks aren't looked upon kindly in Mordor, I can't believe he's not aware that apologies in NK are meant to degrade you further, not actually give you a chance for a lesser sentence/freedom.
I suppose you have no idea with their current dictator. He's had people shot for less.
This guy is in a really bad movie and there won't be any interview. I do wonder though if Kimmy or whatever his name is can blame SK and the US for this and threaten nuclear attack... again.
I suppose you have no idea with their current dictator. He's had people shot for less.
This guy is in a really bad movie and there won't be any interview. I do wonder though if Kimmy or whatever his name is can blame SK and the US for this and threaten nuclear attack... again.
RE: N.Korea: US student cries & admits to being "severe criminal" during...
Good luck.
Torture me for a couple hours and I'll cry in front of a camera and say whatever you want me to say.
The guy shouldn't have been there but I hope the U.S can get him out alright. The U.S. should say clearly that from now on, travel to North Korea at your own risk. We won't help/negotiate to get you out if things go south.
armenia4ever said:
Good luck.
armenia4ever said:
Torture me for a couple hours and I'll cry in front of a camera and say whatever you want me to say.
The guy shouldn't have been there but I hope the U.S can get him out alright. The U.S. should say clearly that from now on, travel to North Korea at your own risk. We won't help/negotiate to get you out if things go south.
I would never go to North Korea now, but at 21 I was game for damn near anything. I would have been ignorant of the law and probley got caught up in some dumb shit. I am not a a vandal but I could fathom taking a flag. I would like to impress you guys with my toughness but I would Crack under 48 hours of intense interrogation in a country run by a dictator where anything can happen to you and you have no recourse. I am 40 years old and I would be crying at that mic just like him if I was in the same position, only difference is at 40 I will not put myself in that position.Real talk.
RE: N.Korea: US student cries & admits to being "severe criminal" during...
They will likely get him out and i'm sure North Korea will get some kind of economic concessions for it. These negotiation details aren't really public knowledge and there's plenty of media misinformation so we can only speculate.
However, what is for sure is that North Korea doesn't do this shit just for shits and giggles. They may be irrational in many ways but also calculating in the way they play foreign governments.
They are definitely getting something out of it which is why they keep doing it.
The whole "we don't negotiate with terrorists" thing has been a myth for awhile now. There is a price that will be paid for every situation. The U.S. government will definitely have to pony up something for this nimrod.
MiscBrah said:
They will likely get him out and i'm sure North Korea will get some kind of economic concessions for it. These negotiation details aren't really public knowledge and there's plenty of media misinformation so we can only speculate.
However, what is for sure is that North Korea doesn't do this shit just for shits and giggles. They may be irrational in many ways but also calculating in the way they play foreign governments.
They are definitely getting something out of it which is why they keep doing it.
The whole "we don't negotiate with terrorists" thing has been a myth for awhile now. There is a price that will be paid for every situation. The U.S. government will definitely have to pony up something for this nimrod.
RE: N.Korea: US student cries & admits to being "severe criminal" during...
Honestly even though I think we need less government interference in general, I would be all for a new law that said you have to sign a waiver to visit North Korea. If you get arrested, tough shit. Visiting that piece of shit country is playing with fire.
Honestly even though I think we need less government interference in general, I would be all for a new law that said you have to sign a waiver to visit North Korea. If you get arrested, tough shit. Visiting that piece of shit country is playing with fire.
Start at 00:27.
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Best interpretation from the comments:
Was definitely spineless when that newscaster said, "Don't use them as a shield, Dennis." I get that he was completely missing the point, but not only is Rodman's ass the one on the real line but 100% certain the reporter wouldn't say such a bold thing to him if they were within reaching distance.
Rodman may have come across like he was wasted off his ass, but that interviewer is as full of shit as they come.
Best interpretation from the comments:
Was definitely spineless when that newscaster said, "Don't use them as a shield, Dennis." I get that he was completely missing the point, but not only is Rodman's ass the one on the real line but 100% certain the reporter wouldn't say such a bold thing to him if they were within reaching distance.
Rodman may have come across like he was wasted off his ass, but that interviewer is as full of shit as they come.
RE: N.Korea: US student cries & admits to being "severe criminal" during...
This. I'm done considerably riskier and stupider things than "stealing a banner". Not with stakes anywhere quite so high, or maybe they were and I was completely ignorant, and because I got away with whatever, I never had the misfortune to find out.
Looks like he's coming home after a year in a coma. Apparently contracted botulism, was "given a sleeping pill" and that put him in a coma for a year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world/north-korea-otto-warmbier-rodman.html?_r=0
I'm curious how this plays out and to learn the details of what actually happened.
Atlanta Man said:
This. I'm done considerably riskier and stupider things than "stealing a banner". Not with stakes anywhere quite so high, or maybe they were and I was completely ignorant, and because I got away with whatever, I never had the misfortune to find out.
Looks like he's coming home after a year in a coma. Apparently contracted botulism, was "given a sleeping pill" and that put him in a coma for a year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world/north-korea-otto-warmbier-rodman.html?_r=0
I'm curious how this plays out and to learn the details of what actually happened.
RE: N.Korea: US student cries & admits to being "severe criminal" during...
I'm not sure I can take you seriously. You think the anglosphere needs to head *more* in this direction?
Disagree with the party line, which I'll remind you in the west for example could be speaking ill of feminism or implying that somehow universities have less of a rape problem than The DRC, and you'll be given a show trial, beaten until you read a forced statement, then imprisoned for 15 years to break big stones into slightly smaller stones or you contract botulism/go into a come/die. Whatever comes first. I for one can't wait until the west becomes this utopia you envision.
Or did you mean it in a sense that that's what you want, but you get to decide what the party line is?
MX90 said:
I'm not sure I can take you seriously. You think the anglosphere needs to head *more* in this direction?
Disagree with the party line, which I'll remind you in the west for example could be speaking ill of feminism or implying that somehow universities have less of a rape problem than The DRC, and you'll be given a show trial, beaten until you read a forced statement, then imprisoned for 15 years to break big stones into slightly smaller stones or you contract botulism/go into a come/die. Whatever comes first. I for one can't wait until the west becomes this utopia you envision.
Or did you mean it in a sense that that's what you want, but you get to decide what the party line is?
