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[thedesperado]

I'm not educated enough about the NJP. But the GOP (even people like Rand Paul) need to go:

Dissident Soaps on Gab: 'Rand Paul is probably one of the most reasonable …'

Dissident Soaps on Gab: 'Rand Paul is probably one of the most reasonable representatives and he's still hopelessly behind, playing "we have to take the high road" in an existential battle for the country.'

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[It_is_my_time]

I'm not educated enough about the NJP. But the GOP (even people like Rand Paul) need to go:

Dissident Soaps on Gab: 'Rand Paul is probably one of the most reasonable …'

Dissident Soaps on Gab: 'Rand Paul is probably one of the most reasonable representatives and he's still hopelessly behind, playing "we have to take the high road" in an existential battle for the country.'

gab.com

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The GOP, top to bottom, is controlled opposition. You don't get to run for federal office in the GOP without being approved by the donors, who at the end of the day are the same donors as the DNC.

I don't think the NJP sees themselves as a party that will run candidates, because the number of loopholes and red tape our govt. put into place just to restrict political parties from existing. They are more an organization to get started with the idea that White people do exist, and don't have equal rights under the Civil Rights act, and that must come to an end.

 

[Enoch]

What was the NJP's position on the jab & lockdowns?

I've heard Mike Peinovich in particular was pro jab/lockdown but haven't been following that scene at all since Halberstram left.

 

[It_is_my_time]

What was the NJP's position on the jab & lockdowns?

I've heard Mike Peinovich in particular was pro jab/lockdown but haven't been following that scene at all since Halberstram left.

The jab was "We can never trust these people, so why trust them with the vaccine, but do what you feel is best for you. But the vaccine is a legit attempt, how do we know? Israel jumped in line and made sure they were the first to get it. So we know it wasn't a way to cull the population, just a failed attempt at a vaccine."

The lockdown was the same. The problem wasn't the lockdown, we have a potentially deadly virus, and we know nothing about it. So shut down the borders, let us stay home and away from each other, but pay us back our tax money to afford it all. Instead you forced some of us to work, not others, and gave all our tax money to Blackrock financial. The lockdown wasn't the problem, it was how mismanaged and corrupt it was top down.

I agree with both stances.

 

[Samseau]

The jab was "We can never trust these people, so why trust them with the vaccine, but do what you feel is best for you. But the vaccine is a legit attempt, how do we know? Israel jumped in line and made sure they were the first to get it. So we know it wasn't a way to cull the population, just a failed attempt at a vaccine."

The lockdown was the same. The problem wasn't the lockdown, we have a potentially deadly virus, and we know nothing about it. So shut down the borders, let us stay home and away from each other, but pay us back our tax money to afford it all. Instead you forced some of us to work, not others, and gave all our tax money to Blackrock financial. The lockdown wasn't the problem, it was how mismanaged and corrupt it was top down.

I agree with both stances.

We have no idea if Isreal got the same vax as everyone else. They lost me at the first premise. If we cannot trust these people, then anything they say is untrustworthy. Vax could easily be a cull attempt.

 

[fokm]

The jab was "We can never trust these people, so why trust them with the vaccine, but do what you feel is best for you. But the vaccine is a legit attempt, how do we know? Israel jumped in line and made sure they were the first to get it. So we know it wasn't a way to cull the population, just a failed attempt at a vaccine."

The lockdown was the same. The problem wasn't the lockdown, we have a potentially deadly virus, and we know nothing about it. So shut down the borders, let us stay home and away from each other, but pay us back our tax money to afford it all. Instead you forced some of us to work, not others, and gave all our tax money to Blackrock financial. The lockdown wasn't the problem, it was how mismanaged and corrupt it was top down.

I agree with both stances.

Yeah I disagree with both stances as well. And they're very arrogant to those who disagree with them.

I think it's very likely Israel got safe shots (maybe with nothing more than some saline or water or whatever) and that 'bad shots' are very likely the result of skirting safety regulations in manufacturing due to Operation Warp Speed (thanks Trump!).

The only reasonable stance on the lockdown, IMO, is: "We don't know what this is. We recommend staying home for 2 weeks. We live in a free country though, so take the risks you think is best for you."

If it was actually something like The Plague, you wouldn't have to force people to lockdown; they'd do it voluntarily themselves!

Remember Sven said "F*** your small business" and the explanation for that now is that he was joking. I listened and read the comments that day. It was no joke. They had to apologize to their listeners, which is not something they do much of.

The only way to prevent this awful theft of our basic civil liberties and the resulting abuse that our children faced from happening again is hardline stances. I really want to say instead, "mandatory lockdowns can only last 14 days at maximum" but even that would be abused. Everyone has the freedom to determine their own risks, period.

On these issues, NJP gets it wrong, and the worst part is that their shows on TRS, they still crow about it. God did not make us to live in fear like in 2020, and certainly not to wear masks that don't even work.

 

[It_is_my_time]

We have no idea if Isreal got the same vax as everyone else. They lost me at the first premise. If we cannot trust these people, then anything they say is untrustworthy. Vax could easily be a cull attempt.

Israel is having the same heart issues, the likelihood that they got some secret vaccine that the rest of us didn't, is very low.

They go into quite a bit of detail about it, and all in all, their biggest message is correct, conservatives correctly see some major issue, and then are happily lead astray to arguing about a non-starter. Was the vaccine safe or not, was it good that is was forced on us? No, but worse yet, why was Trump and the GOP promoting it, knowing it would be made by our crooked pharmaceutical companies, leaving our borders wide open welcoming it into our homeland and worse of all, handing anti-Christian Blackrock financial $5 trillion to keep the stock market bubble inflated? Those are the real big questions conservatives should ask regarding covid, and the reason you realize you can't vote your way out of this.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Yeah I disagree with both stances as well. And they're very arrogant to those who disagree with them.

I think it's very likely Israel got safe shots (maybe with nothing more than some saline or water or whatever) and that 'bad shots' are very likely the result of skirting safety regulations in manufacturing due to Operation Warp Speed (thanks Trump!).

The only reasonable stance on the lockdown, IMO, is: "We don't know what this is. We recommend staying home for 2 weeks. We live in a free country though, so take the risks you think is best for you."

If it was actually something like The Plague, you wouldn't have to force people to lockdown; they'd do it voluntarily themselves!

Remember Sven said "F*** your small business" and the explanation for that now is that he was joking. I listened and read the comments that day. It was no joke. They had to apologize to their listeners, which is not something they do much of.

The only way to prevent this awful theft of our basic civil liberties and the resulting abuse that our children faced from happening again is hardline stances. I really want to say instead, "mandatory lockdowns can only last 14 days at maximum" but even that would be abused. Everyone has the freedom to determine their own risks, period.

On these issues, NJP gets it wrong, and the worst part is that their shows on TRS, they still crow about it. God did not make us to live in fear like in 2020, and certainly not to wear masks that don't even work.

It is very unlikely Israel got some fake doses. Maybe they did, those are not the big issues regarding covid, such as why was our tax money given to anti-Christian Blackrock financial and were we told to file bankruptcy.

Israeli Data Favor Higher Estimates of Post-Vax Myocarditis

I'm not a big fan of Sven. He reminds me of a lot of the guys who tried too hard to fit in. He tries too hard, gets frustrated, and then acts like a baby. I agree with you there. I think he was more frustrated with small businesses not being efficient and him personally suffering from it. In fact, I think his family always ran a small business and that is what he did before doing the podcasts and songs.

Staying away from a deadly virus isn't "living in fear", it is being smart and staying away from a deadly virus. No one knew what we were dealing with in March of 2020. Yea, lockdowns are tough on people, what is tougher, dying from a deadly virus. So, the correct response was to lockdown until you know what the real truth behind the virus is. Instead of handing anti-Christian Blackrock $5 trillion, you give that to the people so they can financially get by until it is determined it is safe. Once you know it is safe, or at least know with what you are dealing with, then you be honest with the people and make the right moves to unlock.

 

[fokm]

Staying away from a deadly virus isn't "living in fear", it is being smart and staying away from a deadly virus. No one knew what we were dealing with in March of 2020. Yea, lockdowns are tough on people, what is tougher, dying from a deadly virus. So, the correct response was to lockdown until you know what the real truth behind the virus is. Instead of handing anti-Christian Blackrock $5 trillion, you give that to the people so they can financially get by until it is determined it is safe. Once you know it is safe, or at least know with what you are dealing with, then you be honest with the people and make the right moves to unlock.

I agree with you in spirit.

It's like the difference between academia and the real world. In theory, I agree with you and that's how it should work.

In practice, it's better to assume that those in power will abuse these powers. If they could be trusted to lockdown for only two weeks, that'd be great, but they can't. They'll tell everyone two weeks so as to avoid a mass panic and then extend their power indefinitely. I still see non-Asian people wearing masks to this day.

So I have to take the hard stance. If we had a real government, they would have actually stopped all flights internationally. They didn't. That tells you they knew from the beginning that, at best, this was nothing, or at worse, they allowed a huge loophole so that the virus could spread. Bottom line is still if the threat was as real as they said, they wouldn't have to convince people to lockdown and take precautions.

There is no COVID face mask that protects against a tyranny.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I agree with you in spirit.

It's like the difference between academia and the real world. In theory, I agree with you and that's how it should work.

In practice, it's better to assume that those in power will abuse these powers. If they could be trusted to lockdown for only two weeks, that'd be great, but they can't. They'll tell everyone two weeks so as to avoid a mass panic and then extend their power indefinitely. I still see non-Asian people wearing masks to this day.

So I have to take the hard stance. If we had a real government, they would have actually stopped all flights internationally. They didn't. That tells you they knew from the beginning that, at best, this was nothing, or at worse, they allowed a huge loophole so that the virus could spread. Bottom line is still if the threat was as real as they said, they wouldn't have to convince people to lockdown and take precautions.

There is no COVID face mask that protects against a tyranny.

Well, this is a philosophical debate. I think everyone in the NJP knows we can't trust those in charge and probably knew far before anyone else in the right wing. They are saying if they were in charge, that is how it would be handled and more so, how it should have been handled by a so called "populist" President in an election year.

 

[Psiman]

Staying away from a deadly virus isn't "living in fear", it is being smart and staying away from a deadly virus. No one knew what we were dealing with in March of 2020. Yea, lockdowns are tough on people, what is tougher, dying from a deadly virus. So, the correct response was to lockdown until you know what the real truth behind the virus is. Instead of handing anti-Christian Blackrock $5 trillion, you give that to the people so they can financially get by until it is determined it is safe. Once you know it is safe, or at least know with what you are dealing with, then you be honest with the people and make the right moves to unlock.

You can't detect a virus with your senses so "staying away from a deadly virus" amounted to assuming anyone could infect you, hampering many of the activities that keep vital operations running, and succumbing to panic. I would not call any of this smart, especially on the word of irresponsible (at the very least) bureaucrats. I gave these reprobates the benefit of the doubt at the beginning. But by late March, 2020, the clumsy policies, the changing goal posts, the sloppy statements by supposed scientists, and the unprecedented and irrational government spending did more than enough to expose covid as a fraud.

 

[It_is_my_time]

You can't detect a virus with your senses so "staying away from a deadly virus" amounted to assuming anyone could infect you, hampering many of the activities that keep vital operations running, and succumbing to panic. I would not call any of this smart, especially on the word of irresponsible (at the very least) bureaucrats. I gave these reprobates the benefit of the doubt at the beginning. But by late March, 2020, the clumsy policies, the changing goal posts, the sloppy statements by supposed scientists, and the unprecedented and irrational government spending did more than enough to expose covid as a fraud.

Some jobs have to be performed. You have a virus that spreads by human contact, you either look the other way and let everyone go out and about and let is spread like a wild fire, or you try to limit how much people go out and spread it.

The lockdown isn't what caused the issues, like the GOP want us to believe. What caused the issues was...

#1) Giving Blackrock $5 trillion and the American people nothing, causing the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the world when we needed our own tax money back.

#2) Not handling the virus like adults. Once it was obvious being obese and elderly was the only real major threats to succumb to the virus, that should have been broadcast. You are obese? Then this is your wake up call to lose weight. Elderly should be paid to stay home, heck, they shouldn't have to go out anyway, they worked their lives already. Everyone else, back to normal. Instead it was one goal post move after another, like you said.

 

[fokm]

lockdowns are tough on people, what is tougher, dying from a deadly virus. So, the correct response was to lockdown until you know what the real truth behind the virus is.

Don't want to derail too much but it's kind of easy to forgive the bureaucrats in hindsight.

Except it isn't.

In March 2020 my wife had me listen to a podcast where a friend of a friend of hers, an epidemiologist, was on. He said that nature has a balance to it. He said that a deadly virus like COVID (was believed to be), where it kills you fast and is very potent...those viruses cannot spread to wide areas easily. You think of things like Anthrax and Ebola. If the virus wants to spread widely, it must become less fatal.

Since COVID is from the Coronavirus family, scientists did indeed know enough to model how things were going to shake out.

So because we didn't have adults running the show, we eventually had doctors and nurses refuse to see unvaxxed people and then we had race-based covid shots where blacks get theirs first. And this is where I wish NJP would hit the point harder on the COVID stuff. It's literally a glimpse of where our current powers that be want us to go.

I don't think COVID was planned, but they certainly seized an opportunity that they wouldn't have had if we just didn't have the lockdowns past 14 days. Because politicians were allowed to kick the can down the road indefinitely, unconstitutionally, and that will never be fixed in our lifetimes, this is going to get worse.

I hope NJP folks are wise enough to see that part of it.

 

[GuitarVH]

I don't think COVID was planned

WHAT??? The most certain about COVID is that it was planned.

but they certainly seized an opportunity that they wouldn't have had if we just didn't have the lockdowns past 14 days.

Nothing big like this just ever "happens" then politicians and corporations decide to seize on the opportunities created. This was one of the most planned psyops in human global history.

 

[mountainaire]

What was the NJP's position on the jab & lockdowns?

I've heard Mike Peinovich in particular was pro jab/lockdown but haven't been following that scene at all since Halberstram left.

I was a regular listener of theirs for years until the covid farce. That's when they showed their true colors. The guy in here that's always promoting them is either minimizing their bad response or wasn't there when it happened. I saw it all happen in real time.

They weren't just briefly mistaken, on covid lockdowns, they went full MSNBC covid cat lady mode for months. They banned people from their forums who criticized their (wrong) position, they ridiculed people who knew it was BS from the start as "braindead republicans" and how they are so much smarter than them, called them "Alex Jones Q-anon conspiracy tards", refused to even acknowledge the other shady things like money printing going on behind the scenes, had ZERO sympathy for people who's livelihoods and businesses were destroyed (millions of families), encouraged people to stay home and close their businesses and take welfare.

This went on for months, and when people started realizing it was BS, they just quietly moved on to other topics and pretended the last 6 months of their cat lady covid phase didn't happen. They didn't apologize, admit any wrongdoing whatsoever, they just hoped everyone would forget. This pissed off a lot of their audience, who kept bringing up their bad judgement. One of the hosts Sven, would go on to have several meltdowns on air over this, including his famous "*#@% your small business rant"



These men aren't leaders. They're middle aged unemployed podcasters. Their position makes sense when you realize none of them have jobs. They sit on ass and collect money from their listeners. They are right about some things but wrong about the most important ones. They may appear to be "based" on the surface, but it becomes apparent that they are basically commies who say the N-word. They share no common interests with the Christian man who simply want to work and earn enough money to raise a family.

 

[Papaya]

WHAT??? The most certain about COVID is that it was planned.




Nothing big like this just ever "happens" then politicians and corporations decide to seize on the opportunities created. This was one of the most planned psyops in human global history.

Not to derail this thread further but this is relevant (posted in Covid lounge)

Coronavirus Lounge thread

Do you think they'll attempt another "pandemic" or bog it all down with wars and food issues, rather than go to the well again? We already know what they will be using. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/27/the-era-of-global-boiling-has-arrived-says-un-boss-antonio-guterres.html...

www.rooshvforum.com

Too many pieces of the puzzle have been filled in to even remotely believe Wu Flu Scamdemic was not planned. Not only that but it was largely orchestrated by the Western intelligence apparatus.

This was all Yuri Bezemov's warning writ large.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Don't want to derail too much but it's kind of easy to forgive the bureaucrats in hindsight.

Except it isn't.

In March 2020 my wife had me listen to a podcast where a friend of a friend of hers, an epidemiologist, was on. He said that nature has a balance to it. He said that a deadly virus like COVID (was believed to be), where it kills you fast and is very potent...those viruses cannot spread to wide areas easily. You think of things like Anthrax and Ebola. If the virus wants to spread widely, it must become less fatal.

Since COVID is from the Coronavirus family, scientists did indeed know enough to model how things were going to shake out.

So because we didn't have adults running the show, we eventually had doctors and nurses refuse to see unvaxxed people and then we had race-based covid shots where blacks get theirs first. And this is where I wish NJP would hit the point harder on the COVID stuff. It's literally a glimpse of where our current powers that be want us to go.

I don't think COVID was planned, but they certainly seized an opportunity that they wouldn't have had if we just didn't have the lockdowns past 14 days. Because politicians were allowed to kick the can down the road indefinitely, unconstitutionally, and that will never be fixed in our lifetimes, this is going to get worse.

I hope NJP folks are wise enough to see that part of it.

The NJP folks on are another level when it comes to all the issues we face. Trust me, they both know and spoke about this in depth as well. As it was happening they were making fun of "color blind conservatives" who still trot out the DR3 while covid shots were being given to Non-Whites first and worse yet, as Whites were refused medical service at hospitals.

The amount of research they did years ago, that finally some of the other "dissidents" are now copying is amazing, and still those copying it either get part of it wrong or try to shoehorn a square peg into a round hole to stick to their warped beliefs.

Remember, In October of 2020, Mike Enoch predicted exactly how Trump would lose, and how they would use that as a reason for a giant anti-Trump false flag where they imprison Trump supporters and pass new laws in response to it. They also warned us for weeks on end to stay away from January 6th.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I was a regular listener of theirs for years until the covid farce. That's when they showed their true colors. The guy in here that's always promoting them is either minimizing their bad response or wasn't there when it happened. I saw it all happen in real time.

They weren't just briefly mistaken, on covid lockdowns, they went full MSNBC covid cat lady mode for months. They banned people from their forums who criticized their (wrong) position, they ridiculed people who knew it was BS from the start as "braindead republicans" and how they are so much smarter than them, called them "Alex Jones Q-anon conspiracy tards", refused to even acknowledge the other shady things like money printing going on behind the scenes, had ZERO sympathy for people who's livelihoods and businesses were destroyed (millions of families), encouraged people to stay home and close their businesses and take welfare.

This went on for months, and when people started realizing it was BS, they just quietly moved on to other topics and pretended the last 6 months of their cat lady covid phase didn't happen. They didn't apologize, admit any wrongdoing whatsoever, they just hoped everyone would forget. This pissed off a lot of their audience, who kept bringing up their bad judgement. One of the hosts Sven, would go on to have several meltdowns on air over this, including his famous "*#@% your small business rant"



These men aren't leaders. They're middle aged unemployed podcasters. Their position makes sense when you realize none of them have jobs. They sit on ass and collect money from their listeners. They are right about some things but wrong about the most important ones. They may appear to be "based" on the surface, but it becomes apparent that they are basically commies who say the N-word. They share no common interests with the Christian man who simply want to work and earn enough money to raise a family.

So, was the problem keeping people separated while a potential deadly virus was unleashed on our society?

Or was the problem Trump gave all our tax money, caused massive inflation, to bail out Blackrock and told the rest of us "tough luck"?

I say the later was the real problem, much less how badly Trump handled everything else in response to it. These guys are 100%, the problem goes back to conservatives worshipping the cult of personality and not looking at the big picture.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Not to derail this thread further but this is relevant (posted in Covid lounge)

Coronavirus Lounge thread

Do you think they'll attempt another "pandemic" or bog it all down with wars and food issues, rather than go to the well again? We already know what they will be using. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/27/the-era-of-global-boiling-has-arrived-says-un-boss-antonio-guterres.html...

www.rooshvforum.com

Too many pieces of the puzzle have been filled in to even remotely believe Wu Flu Scamdemic was not planned. Not only that but it was largely orchestrated by the Western intelligence apparatus.

This was all Yuri Bezemov's warning writ large.

Planned or not, the biggest damage done was taking our tax dollars, and our future tax dollars (inflation) and handing it all to Blackrock. It doesn't matter if it was planned, if that is the response, then it is all the same outcome.