NBA Player Gets Racially Profiled At Jewelry Store in Milwaukee

[heavy]

You obviously don't know whitefish bay or other affluent milwaukee suburbs. These employees will be silently applauded for keeping 'outsiders out'. The same thing would happen if Jed Clampett rolled up, he's white, loaded but doesn't have the...upbringing and so wouldn't be treated well.

Yeah but the question remains: where's the problem? I'm sure there are plenty other places and jewelry shops in America outsider people can go to. If nothing else, the store deprived itself of some revenue. Shouldn't you be gleeful that the NBA player didn't support some racist with his money?

Were all racist. Psychological studies have shown this time and time again. We can pat ourselves on the back for being comfortable with each other and doing business with other races, but we still have our racial and socioeconomic biases.

So no, I'm not gleeful the player didn't support "some racist" with his money. Even if the jewelry shop's owners and patrons are stuck up nose in the air snobs with a penchant for avoiding other races...whatever. This is somewhat interesting, actually a bit humorous, but I don't really care one way or the other.

I've been profiled before in my gym clothes as a young white thug. I'm sure in the future I'll be profiled as an old white homeless guy if I'm wearing my old college hoodie and sweatpants. Yeah it's annoying. Maddening even. But you get over it.

 

[NO_LIMIT_CRACKA]

You obviously don't know whitefish bay or other affluent milwaukee suburbs. These employees will be silently applauded for keeping 'outsiders out'. The same thing would happen if Jed Clampett rolled up, he's white, loaded but doesn't have the...upbringing and so wouldn't be treated well.

Yeah but the question remains: where's the problem? I'm sure there are plenty other places and jewelry shops in America outsider people can go to. If nothing else, the store deprived itself of some revenue. Shouldn't you be gleeful that the NBA player didn't support some racist with his money?

The store probably did lose out on some good revenue...but being gleeful that some racist didn't get the money? No. I think people can carry racial, cultural or gender biases if they want to. The jewelry store loses the sale, end of story. They shouldn't be forced to sell to that guy the same way a business shouldn't have to bake cakes for gay weddings.

Like I said, it probably makes them look stupid to the general public, but to their 'regular' customers in whitefish bay, it probably makes them look better that they are 'keeping the riff raff out'. Like if Mr and Mrs. Howell from Gilligan's island were regular shoppers there, they would love that this guy was turned away.

Then we're in agreement, I say it's all good about the shop's actions. Who cares if the rest of the country venti lattes out over your actions, they are residents of that place and if the people are cool with it then everybody else can be quiet.

Guess the reasons why.

Nefarious up-to-no-good whites spreading their oppression?

 

[Dr. Howard]

Steve Sailer has written a lot about Milwaukee and how it has changed in the last few generations. While interesting to me, as an outsider, it sadly sounds like the place went from a middle-class workers haven to a welfare and crime central. Guess the reasons why.

The article below I would recommend as a good way to understand Midwest race relations. Its the history of Milwaukee and how the city went from a very white, German, Nordic style of socialism into the rough times and crime it has now.

http://www.unz.com/isteve/scott-wal...l-democracy-came-closest-and-crashed-hardest/


The next is a short one about the rise in murders.

http://www.unz.com/isteve/what-do-m...imore-washington-and-st-louis-have-in-common/

Good articles. I really enjoy downtown Milwaukee but its got some very solid dividing lines as to where you should and should not go.

I think its an extreme example of 'white flight' ie. when a cities heavy industry located downtown collapses, so does the middle class. The people that have the means to leave, go to the suburbs and fortify themselves while the poor move into the downtown void because housing is affordable, you don't need a car to get around and if you were born there you were trapped there.

There is also a rumor, I'm not sure if its true that Wisconsin is a welfare mecca compared to Illinois (Badgercare health care mainly) and alot of poor black from Illinois have migrated to southern Wisconsin.

 

[iop890]

Were all racist. Psychological studies have shown this time and time again. We can pat ourselves on the back for being comfortable with each other and doing business with other races, but we still have our racial and socioeconomic biases.

Racism/non-progressivism is just secular sinning.

It's something to be atoned for.
You have to monitor your thoughts and actions for it.
You have to publicly humble/humiliate yourself over it.
You "raise awareness" for it in order to show how not-racist™(pious) you are.
Some people think you're born with original sin(cis/straight/white/male privilege).

 

[Dr. Howard]

Were all racist. Psychological studies have shown this time and time again. We can pat ourselves on the back for being comfortable with each other and doing business with other races, but we still have our racial and socioeconomic biases.

Racism/non-progressivism is just secular sinning.

It's something to be atoned for.
You have to monitor your thoughts and actions for it.
You have to publicly humble/humiliate yourself over it.
You "raise awareness" for it in order to show how not-racist™(pious) you are.
Some people think you're born with original sin(cis/straight/white/male privilege).

Secular Sinning. I've got to add that one to my vocabulary....actually it could probably make a good thread.

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

So, what seems to be the problem here? Employees profiled someone in their own best interest, a misunderstanding happened (pretending like everybody needs to know every random celebrity X is some huge narcissistic entitlement), the employees got enlightened who the guy was.

I'm sure he was wearing a sharp suit and didn't dress like Trayvon for them to have such a reaction. It's nothing out of the ordinary to have such a gut reaction when you consider that many rich blacks still dress and act like they're straight from the hood

Spot on comment. It depends on how he dressed and carried himself:

Allen Iverson was an iconic NBA player, but look at this:

His pants are sagging and his shirt is too big. This will make him uncomfortable, and mess with his movement. This will make him walk intimidatingly, because he has to swing his arms and legs wider to accommodate for his clothes.

Compare this to Dwayne Johnson or Amare Stoudemire:

See how they make an effort to wear fitting clothes that increase their charisma?

Make an educated guess. Which one of these dudes do you want near your jewelry store?

 

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Depending on the audience ALL of those guys would be intimidating to certain cross section of the country

I'm willing to bet my 1st born, that the one thing they do all have in common is the sounds of doors locking upon their approach, skittish interactions and averted eye contact - and it had nothing to do with how dapper they were dressed.

 

[Brian Shima]

Why not give the jewelry store the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps they've been robbed by a tall Black guy before?

LOL.

 

[rudebwoy]

This is news!!

You have to be well dressed to go to a Jewelry store? lol

 

[Agastya]

Why not give the jewelry store the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps they've been robbed by a tall Black guy before?

If some guy who superficially looked like you robbed that store in the past, and you happened to visit that store, would you be cool with getting tailed, harassed, and possibly arrested or even beaten by the police, just to give the storeowners "the benefit of the doubt"? For me, that's the real issue here; American cops have a history of extreme overreaction(frequently regardless of race), and if the NBA player made the wrong move, it's possible that the situation could have ended a lot worse.

 

[Goldin Boy]

Why not give the jewelry store the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps they've been robbed by a tall Black guy before?

What if later a White guy robs that same store. Should they deny all White men too and only sell to Asians?

I'm sure you know that that this isn't a logical line of thinking. Even if that is their reason, that doesn't merit benefit of the doubt. All people of the race aren't carbon copies of one another. I'm black, the NBA is primary Black, but I can't shoot a free-throw to save my life. Every Frenchman doesn't have the military savvy of Napoleon.

If business operates on public property, funded and maintained by taxes paid by the general public, it behooves them to serve the entire public.

 

[Atlanta Man]

A tall (6,8+ rare, less that 2 percent of the world) black man in a late model luxury vehicle comes to a jewelry store, and attempts to enter. A worker (who is likely paid on commision) runs in the back and calls the police? Dumb worker.

Schemas are mental models built on subconscious and conscious that allow you to make decisions in your day to day life without wasting cognitive resources. If I worked at a luxury car dealership and a 6'8+ black man already in a luxury vehicle rolls in the parking lot I am making that sale-in my mental schema that is likely an Athlete. A Stripper would make the same split second determination if he came to the strip club. A promoter at a Miami nightclub would wave him to the VIP. How dumb are the workers at this jewelry store? Seriously, how fucking mad the owner must be at his idiot employees-not only did they cost him money, they embarrassed his brand. I am not PC, but as a common sense self interested worker in a commision based business-How does a 6'8+ black man in a late model luxury vehicle (in Milwaukee no less!) not scream PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE, LIKELY SALE, JACKPOT!!!

I thought he showed up with a entourage in the mall where they could not see his car and he was like a 6'2 guard. The only indicator of wealth he did not have in view was jewelry, and wouldn't you know it, he was at a jewelry store. Dummies, not for "profiling racially" but "profiling incorrectly" and costing your employer a sale and yourself a commision. Note to providers of luxury goods,6'8+ young black men in late model luxury cars are your customers to target for the big sale, don't blow it.

 

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

Wasn't there a thread a couple months back about a male college student, who looked similar to another male (student?) who had previously raped a female student. Said male student was redistricted from being anywhere near the female student because he triggered her, and naturally that caused outrage on this forum. But a rich NBA player wants a watch from the wrong side of town and its "Perhaps they've been robbed by a tall Black guy before?".

 

[Agastya]

Wasn't there a thread a couple months back about a male college student, who looked similar to another male (student?) who had previously raped a female student. Said male student was redistricted from being anywhere near the female student because he triggered her, and naturally that caused outrage on this forum. But a rich NBA player wants a watch from the wrong side of town and its "Perhaps they've been robbed by a tall Black guy before?".

I love the double standards that abound among some users on this site. Any act of discrimination against men, or white men, immediately(and rightly) receives a storm of criticism. Anytime an act of discrimination against a person of color is reported on the forum, however, a select subset of users immediately tries to argue about black-on-white crime, how "even well-dressed blacks" are thugs, and how "anyone has the right to discriminate". And then, in a different thread, they'll bitch about how affirmative action/modern culture makes life harder for white men, and claim that the presence of one black dude in the new Star Wars is an act of support for white genocide.

Yes, I suppose people have the "right" to call the cops on black people whenever they appear in public or visit stores. People also have the "right" to indoctrinate their kids in the ideology of the Westboro Baptist Church, or raise their male children like girls. Doing any of these things, however, undoubtedly makes you a shitty person. Lots of morally objectionable things are perfectly legal in this country, while normal activities like smoking marijuana frequently are not.

 

[lavidaloca]

It's a judgment call. I'm pretty sure I read on CNN the store has had 3 armed robberies in the past 18 months. To be quite honest if I was in the stores situation I'd probably be extremely protective of who enters the store.

Just because hes 6'8 I wouldn't assume hes a pro basketball player. The majority of people 6'8 aren't professional athletes. Most athletes aren't rolling around with dealer plates either. It's a tough situation. Mr. Henson was obviously profiled but if the store lets anyone and everyone in the risks are much higher for the staff. It's kind of a catch-22 where the jewelry store loses either way. If they let everyone in then theres more robbery exposure or potential for violent incidents. If they don't let everyone in then they are discriminating and / or profiling. An easier answer would have been to ask Mr. Henson who he is. Tell him one moment, look him up and then let him in. Or ask for ID while explaining to him why it's necessary. A guy who is going to rob you probably isn't going to want his ID entered on a computer.

I think the situation was dealt with in a poor way and far from the best way possible. Hopefully the jewellery store enacts better mechanisms for dealing with this type of situation in the future.

 

[EatMee]

Why not give the jewelry store the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps they've been robbed by a tall Black guy before?

WTF!?!? I guess if a tall white guy robbed the store, then they would start profiling tall white guys too!

Lets be realistic here.

 

[Moma]

Why not give the jewelry store the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps they've been robbed by a tall Black guy before?

WTF!?!? I guess if a tall white guy robbed the store, then they would start profiling tall white guys too!

Lets be realistic here.

Come on guys, this is Samseau!

 

[Fortis]

"Oh no! Black people! Run!"

Sometimes I'm startled by how remarkable racist my country can be. Blame it on "thugs" or whatever but we are not all fucking thugs. Why is it that blacks all get judged by the actions of a subset in our community?

Why is it that a young dude who has done nothing has to watch his back like that just because he was afforded a large frame and dark skin. I'm getting tired of this "you're black so you need to be careful" narrative that this forum pushes sometimes. It's nonsense.

 

[Agastya]

Why not give the jewelry store the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps they've been robbed by a tall Black guy before?

WTF!?!? I guess if a tall white guy robbed the store, then they would start profiling tall white guys too!

Lets be realistic here.

Come on guys, this is Samseau!

Samseau, I've noticed that a lot of your views are straight out of Stormfront. I will be upfront and say that I browsed that site out of curiosity back in high school. A lot of your posts seem to be slightly watered-down versions of Stormfront credos.

This confuses me because as you've stated numerous times, you have partial Korean heritage. You do realize that this would disqualify you to most white nationalists, don't you? To them, any admission of non-white (whatever the fuck that means, I'm curious about how they see Armenians, Syrians, etc) heritage is enough to get you rejected from their circles and viewed as their enemy. So I am curious as to whether or not you run with these circles, and whether or not you actually consider yourself a white nationalist. And I've noticed that when this question is posed to you, you never directly answer it.

And we shouldn't be afraid to call these views out for what they are. They are racist, plain and simple. This isn't the same as protesting mass illegal immigration into European countries, nor is this the same as opposing the demonization of white men by certain liberal outlets. This is adhering to a moral double standard when it comes to different races, and choosing to pounce on black people whenever they are the victims of some form of discrimination. [/i]People like heavy, Fast Eddie, and Samseau are often the first to speak up about anti-white discrimination when a fraternity gets banned or some landwhale publishes an article about "white privilege", but when a black man gets subject to real and potentially dangerous discrimination, they immediately try to explain it away and pin the blame on the entire black race.

And yeah, everyone has their racial biases...but that doesn't mean it's morally alright to blatantly insult or profile other races. The vast majority of the school shooters in the U.S were white. However, I wouldn't snitch on some weird/quiet white kid because he "fits the profile" of a school shooter...because that would make a human piece of garbage.

 

[lavidaloca]

Perhaps the easiest answer to all of this is to enact a mechanism such as an outside ID scanner which takes note of who you are. An employee can view it on the screen and determine if supplemental ID is required. If it's an everyone does it policy you could perhaps prevent against issues like the one that just occurred.

People who are NBA fans need to keep in mind that about 95% of the population has no idea who John Henson is. I couldn't name a single Toronto Raptor other that DeRozan and I'm from the GTA. I wouldn't recognize a single Toronto Raptor. We could be dining side by side and I would have absolutely no idea. There were plenty of very tall guys who went to my high school and universities (6'6+) and to the best of my knowledge none of them ever played in the NBA or were drafted.

There needs to be a system put in place which is used universally regardless of how obvious it is you aren't a threat in order to ensure complete fairness and equality. It won't happen overnight but I wouldn't be surprised to see a system put in place to make progress towards equal treatment in the coming years.

When you own a business screening is necessary however, there needs to be a more humane way to go about it in circumstances like these.