Need help examining behavior of Russian/Ukrainian women and their potential as a long-term partner

Marco B.

Chicken
This is the same everywhere, by degrees. Ultimately a normal 31 year old guy with a 20 year old 9, will only be able to maintain that relationship through leverage, be it finance, lifestyle or high social status.

I guess that period of time (late 90s with EE women) inflated things a bit, but it just underlines the fact that you shouldnt try to artificially go far beyond your own SMV, at least for long term relationships.

You are actually right. I am aware of that. But our "relationship" worked "somehow" for three months.
I can assure that back then (from 1995 till 2010) my own SMV was also pretty high.It was very easy for me getting dates and more.
Back then i accepted a certain degree of outrageousness from this ukrainian girl.But when she demanded to spend every weekend
150 euro/dollars she definitely went too far.It was definitely ME who dumped her.I was really fed up with her.
I was slightly in love with her, therefore it was difficult for me to end this relationship much sooner, although she displayed that much
impertinence/ red flags.It took some months for me to recover.I was rarely in love with someone, therefore i sometimes still think about this story.I still have her pictures.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I guess that period of time (late 90s with EE women) inflated things a bit, but it just underlines the fact that you shouldnt try to artificially go far beyond your own SMV, at least for long term relationships.
On pure numbers what discrepancy (SMV) do you suggest "gets dangerous"? Anything over 1 point difference? 2?
 

mehdreamer

Sparrow
After EXTENSIVE research into this topic I have come to the conclusion that FSU women are to be avoided for serious relations.
This is also my impression...

Unless, like someone said earlier in this thread, you live in her country for 5+ years and learn to speak her language fluently and attend the same church..which is a combination very hard to achieve as I don't see someone 40 yo+ well established in a western country dropping everything and moving to Russia. I mean just having a work Visa in Russia is extremely painfull, let alone finding a decent job and learning a language quickly enough to be able to have deep and intimate conversations..

The next best option is still to try to find a good wife locally and live/adapt with all the tradeoffs that come with..
Otherwise, I see no other options than embracing celibacy and focusing on other aspects of life.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I feel like Romania, Bulgaria or the neighboring countries of this sort are actually better ... the problem is that right now Europe looks like a geopolitical nightmare waiting to happen, if energy costs don't bring it down even faster.
 
So - I have been in contact with a Russian lady a few years younger than myself for a few years now. We've video chatted several times over the years and get along well. She's interesting (a journalist for several big-name online pages), average in appearance (for Russia) and wants kids one day.

A few red flags is she was previously married (no kids - the marriage lasted a year), and seems to have lots of male friends.

I'm turning 30 this year - I make good money and work 3 weeks on 3 off at a mine as a heavy duty mechanic. So I'm in a situation - that covid dependent - I could have a theoretical relationship overseas where most people couldn't.
 

Marco B.

Chicken
Warning! Russian women!!
Few weeks ago i posted my horrific experience which i had more than 20 years ago when i met an 20 year old ukranian golddigger.(here in germany)
Yesterday i had a date with a 41 year old russian woman.Actually i met her online two weeks ago.We were talking a lot on the phone
and yesterday she finally had some time for a date.(She has a nice feminin voice, long brunette hair and a nice body.She looks much younger.On my scale still a 7 though already 41 years old.But her german is only soso)
I dressed well, got a new haircut and used a good perfume.
So when we met yesterday i told her that i arrived by train to our meeting point, because its much faster (10 minutes) than using the car during the rush hour (45 minutes).I explained that its difficult to find parking spots and that they are very expensive in the city centre.
She replied very direct and boldly: "You look like a poor guy...I dont think you have a lot of money, if you prefer to use a train IF parking spots are SOO EXPENSIVE for you". I said "Wait a minute. What did you say??Are serious? "
She " Yes, i am.So what do you exactly for for living.Explain it"
Me " I am salesman and i am satisfied with my income" (Real estates business)
She " So how much did you sell this year? "
Me: " Enough. I told you already.The last winter 2020 was actually not great, but March till October 2021 was extraordinary good. I cant complain"
She : So let me hear some numbers...! How much in February, March, April and so on...? Lets sum up"
Then she EVEN PULLED OUT HER SMARTPHONE to use the calculator.....!!!!! Her behaviour became very cold, agressive and bold.No emotions.
She wasnt the same nice person as on the phone before.
At first I was very surprised, disappointed and speechless.At this moment i realised that she was indead a golddigger.So i quickly decided
to fool her (actually to lie) about the numbers. So i gave her some fantasy numbers.She didnt fully understand the german language and what i said to her.Therefore she misinterpreted the numbers.She used the calculator and said " Thats much more than 6 figures salary".
I said " Yes, thats correct....................
Then she became much friendlier and agreed to meet again next week.She shaked my hand very long and even drove me to the
train station.I texted her today that i will call her tomorrow.She replied "Great!"
If i meet her again...then its okay...i will try to get her in bed as soon as possible..nothing else. I will not spend any money or buy her any expensive gifts like a beta fool.If she starts playing any (expensive) games i will dump her as soon as possible.
 
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MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
Warning! Russian women!!
Few weeks ago i posted my horrific experience which i had more than 20 years ago when i met an 20 year old ukranian golddigger.(here in germany)
Yesterday i had a date with a 41 year old russian woman.Actually i met her online two weeks ago.We were talking a lot on the phone
and yesterday she finally had some time for a date.(She has a nice feminin voice, long brunette hair and a nice body.She looks much younger.On my scale still a 7 though already 41 years old.But her german is only soso)
I dressed well, got a new haircut and used a good perfume.
So when we met yesterday i told her that i arrived by train to our meeting point, because its much faster (10 minutes) than using the car during the rush hour (45 minutes).I explained that its difficult to find parking spots and that they are very expensive in the city centre.
She replied very direct and boldly: "You look like a poor guy...I dont think you have a lot of money, if you prefer to use a train IF parking spots are SOO EXPENSIVE for you". I said "Wait a minute. What did you say??Are serious? "
She " Yes, i am.So what do you exactly for for living.Explain it"
Me " I am salesman and i am satisfied with my income" (Real estates business)
She " So how much did you sell this year? "
Me: " Enough. I told you already.The last winter 2020 was actually not great, but March till October 2021 was extraordinary good. I cant complain"
She : So let me hear some numbers...! How much in February, March, April and so on...? Lets sum up"
Then she EVEN PULLED OUT HER SMARTPHONE to use the calculator.....!!!!! Her behaviour became very cold, agressive and bold.No emotions.
She wasnt the same nice person as on the phone before.
At first I was very surprised, disappointed and speechless.At this moment i realised that she was indead a golddigger.So i quickly decided
to fool her (actually to lie) about the numbers. So i gave her some fantasy numbers.She didnt fully understand the german language and what i said to her.Therefore she misinterpreted the numbers.She used the calculator and said " Thats much more than 6 figures salary".
I said " Yes, thats correct....................
Then she became much friendlier and agreed to meet again next week.She shaked my hand very long and even drove me to the
train station.I texted her today that i will call her tomorrow.She replied "Great!"
If i meet her again...then its okay...i will try to get her in bed as soon as possible..nothing else. I will not spend any money or buy her any expensive gifts like a beta fool.If she starts playing any (expensive) games i will dump her as soon as possible.
Her attitude explains why she is attractive and still single at age 41. At least she showed she is a gold digger fast.
 

Tradcatholic

Robin
Catholic
You are actually right. I am aware of that. But our "relationship" worked "somehow" for three months.
I can assure that back then (from 1995 till 2010) my own SMV was also pretty high.It was very easy for me getting dates and more.
Back then i accepted a certain degree of outrageousness from this ukrainian girl.But when she demanded to spend every weekend
150 euro/dollars she definitely went too far.It was definitely ME who dumped her.I was really fed up with her.
I was slightly in love with her, therefore it was difficult for me to end this relationship much sooner, although she displayed that much
impertinence/ red flags.It took some months for me to recover.I was rarely in love with someone, therefore i sometimes still think about this story.I still have her pictures.
Burn those pictures, man.
 

Marco B.

Chicken
Her attitude explains why she is attractive and still single at age 41. At least she showed she is a gold digger fast.
Yes, indead.She showed it very fast..already after 10 minutes.When she was sitting next to me and pointed her calculator to me in order to sum up my "worth"... It was almost a traumatic experience for me when this woman treated me so blatantly like a ATM.That night i even struggled to
fall asleep. The dating scene is messed up beyond belief.That was definitely a new lowpoint in my dating-life.
At least i am now much more aware how the mind of a golddigger works: They observe how you spend your own money.If the guy is thrifty or stingy and doesnt like to spend money for unnecessary stuff ( for example to pay 15 Euro/Dollars for a parking spot), that means he is either poor or not suitable as her new victim.If he displays that he doesnt care to waste any money for useless crap or a woman - that means HE IS suitable as her new victim.
 
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MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
Yes, indead.She showed it very fast..already after 10 minutes.When she was sitting next to me and pointed her calculator to me in order to sum up my "worth"... It was almost a traumatic experience for me when this woman treated me so blatantly like a ATM.That night i even struggled to
fall asleep. The dating scene is messed up beyond belief.That was definitely a new lowpoint in my dating-life.
At least i am now much more aware how the mind of a golddigger works: They observe how you spend your own money.If the guy is thrifty or stingy and doesnt like to spend money for unnecessary stuff ( for example to pay 15 Euro/Dollars for a parking spot), that means he is either poor or not suitable as her new victim.If he displays that he doesnt care to waste any money for useless crap or a woman - that means HE IS suitable as her new victim.
You could have told her it is because you care about mother Earth and want to reduce your carbon footprint. If she is a leftist, she couldn't argue against this and might actually like you more.
 

Parmesan

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Yes, indead.She showed it very fast..already after 10 minutes.When she was sitting next to me and pointed her calculator to me in order to sum up my "worth"... It was almost a traumatic experience for me when this woman treated me so blatantly like a ATM.That night i even struggled to
fall asleep. The dating scene is messed up beyond belief.That was definitely a new lowpoint in my dating-life.
At least i am now much more aware how the mind of a golddigger works: They observe how you spend your own money.If the guy is thrifty or stingy and doesnt like to spend money for unnecessary stuff ( for example to pay 15 Euro/Dollars for a parking spot), that means he is either poor or not suitable as her new victim.If he displays that he doesnt care to waste any money for useless crap or a woman - that means HE IS suitable as her new victim.
Part of me has a certain respect for women like this, at least they are up front to themselves and others about who they are. She tested you, you failed, everybody moves on. A typical western woman will essentially do the same thing, except it will be slow, subtle burn of tests and prodding over months and years until you are neck deep in debt from homes, cars, furniture, vacations, and more.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
Part of me has a certain respect for women like this, at least they are up front to themselves and others about who they are. She tested you, you failed, everybody moves on. A typical western woman will essentially do the same thing, except it will be slow, subtle burn of tests and prodding over months and years until you are neck deep in debt from homes, cars, furniture, vacations, and more.
What is crazy is that hundreds of men would likely fight hard to win such a woman as long as she is not ugly (and even if she is ugly, some men would still fight for her). I don't see much of a difference between this woman and a prostitute except possibly number of 'relationship' partners. I do agree with you that at least she is direct that her affection must be bought.
 

Parmesan

Kingfisher
Other Christian
What is crazy is that hundreds of men would likely fight hard to win such a woman as long as she is not ugly (and even if she is ugly, some men would still fight for her). I don't see much of a difference between this woman and a prostitute except possibly number of 'relationship' partners. I do agree with you that at least she is direct that her affection must be bought.
What I’m curious about, if you married a woman like this or stayed long term, do you get to a point where she is no longer testing your limits and analyzing your behavior?
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
What I’m curious about, if you married a woman like this or stayed long term, do you get to a point where she is no longer testing your limits and analyzing your behavior?
Doubtful. I am no expert but I think if you gave in to her demands, she might marry you but won't respect you and will keep expecting you to cave in. Of course, if you lived in a nation where divorce is frowned on and/or illegal, you could say 'gotcha' and refuse to cave in and she would be stuck and as long as you are reasonable, she might accept her fate and behave better after pouting for awhile. In the USA, she would likely divorce rape you once you stopped caving into her demands.

I think the 'Taming of the Shrew' story has a lot of truth in it.
 
Burted a controversy here in Brazil:
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nampa1234

 
Banned
One thing that has not been directly mentioned here is the testing. Russia is the only country I have been to and know less about for having done so. Ukraine seems easier to get a handle on, but more materialistic. Some time ago there was a guy (@Lighthouse ?) who posted how he learned Russian, got on an Orthodox dating site and got married. He was and hopefully still is married to a woman who he could not converse fully with. Sounds like he was not fully conversational and he mentioned that there are often big problems with being able to understand his wife, culturally. But still it sounded he married a traditional, homely women. So the chances of failure are going to be much lower than The West.

I have been to all kinds of counties and spoke with people at length via translator. But it's only Russians there is this huge gulf in being able to understand their intentions. Particularly if you don't speak the same language. Trying to get a grasp on that would be a good place to start.

I have been to Kazkhstan and will possibly go again in the summer. The nature of Russians/Europeans in Kazakhstan is very different. In my experience it did not have this same cultural chasm as Russia does. Further the Kazkhstan Russians are a lot more feminine. I had one Russian girlfriend there, fluent in English, and she would accept my "baby girling", which virtually any other Euro-girl will reject as an affront to their status as your equal. Baby girling is saying and doing things that reduce a girl to a more child-like state of being in which she is the junior partner. They will speak of themselves in the third person, speak in soft undulating tones, say things like "Tell something cute", "Tell about true love". In my opinion the proper relation between a husband and wife is the husband continues the role of the father. The husband protects and the wife cares. It is symbiotic and makes you both stronger in fulfilling your role.

I would say Russians in Kazakhstan are the most feminine Europeans; more so than Turks, at least the city ones.

So in answer to OP, you have to have some sort of grasp of what it is Russian women often expect, which is something along the lines of a killer, to use the words of Jorge Biden. Someone else will be better place to say what that is. But my general conception is they expect you to be dominant and maybe cruel. There are going to be women less/not like that, though I don't know enough of how to delineate them. For me, those kind of women are too high-level and luckily I don't tick their boxes, so am immune to them... unless they are married and having a casual 1+ on the husband, which it seems happens a lot.

Another observation in this vein - Russian women seem to generally want a killer who is very loving and attentive to them, which are virtually mutually exclusive. Nor is that congruent with Western Civ. heritage. I heard a lot about marriages where the woman was initially impressed by the husband's chest-thumping, but he grew bored of her. Married women complain a lot about emotional neglect. The whole situation is quiet alien to us, because to be a normie in Russia is to be red-pill in The West.

This is all very fallen-state though. General rules apply as in The West, but via the lens of a red-pill society, that is one that is actually highly materialistic and competitive.

In my limited experience, the older a woman is, the more likely she is to drop her killer attraction. Not that is necessarily a good thing.
Can you elaborate on your exs East and wiith the foreign wives un usa? Especially keeping the marriage healthy in usa. We don’t really hAve socializing here anymore. Young people move to biggest coastal cities and work all day
 
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