Need help picking between government and private sector job.

[Magyarphile]

I honestly find it puzzling the degree of pragmatism so called 'red pill' people have. On the one hand you whine about how government has made feminism destroy women, on the other hand you are readily willing to join the very institutions which have made this mess in the first place. I believe it is called hypocrisy and none better at all than any hamster spinning woman. No government when it suits you, big government when it suits you.

Be a man and make your money in the free market. Haven't you even considered the moral aspects of being paid to slack off on the taxpayer dole?

Besides, government is only going to get smaller, fixed pensions and benefits for new employees will not be there, since they are simply not economically viable.

Make money in the private market, learn as much as you can, open your own business abroad, don't pay tax, move in with your money in 10-15 years when western countries are bankrupt.

Red pill and morality have nothing to do with each other. Some would argue pumping and dumping women to be in the grey area of the morality index(I am not one of them). As for manning up, what is possibly more manly than power? Politicians are at the top of the pecking order. There is a reason they are hated so much, its called jealousy. I am not a government employee but I would take up a good position in a heart beat for a very capitalist reason: greed.

I don't know man, I work in a field which is ripe with opportunity for those willing to compromise their morals (affiliate marketing). I could have made a lot more money if I sold these bs 'trial' fraud products which steal money out of innocent peoples bank account. I might even have been able to forget about it for some time, but I believe it will do the damage and eventually you will be 'pot committed' to it and begin rationalizing something you know is wrong and that is when you become a real douchebag.

So yeah, the money may be good in the government, the power may be there, but you're doing the wrong thing and it will turn you bad.

Ethics is what I'm getting at. I can't do things which directly conflict with my ethics.

What is so unethical about working for the government? It is an entity sanctioned and funded by the people. Would you rather work for an MNC that has sweatshops in Bangladesh? Truth be told, I am no fan of big government. I just don't understand this perspective that the private sector can do no wrong. Just look at BP, they practically destroyed the coast line in the Gulf where I grew up. Ethics has no place on a corporate balance sheet...

 

[mastauser]

I honestly find it puzzling the degree of pragmatism so called 'red pill' people have. On the one hand you whine about how government has made feminism destroy women, on the other hand you are readily willing to join the very institutions which have made this mess in the first place. I believe it is called hypocrisy and none better at all than any hamster spinning woman. No government when it suits you, big government when it suits you.

Be a man and make your money in the free market. Haven't you even considered the moral aspects of being paid to slack off on the taxpayer dole?

Besides, government is only going to get smaller, fixed pensions and benefits for new employees will not be there, since they are simply not economically viable.

Make money in the private market, learn as much as you can, open your own business abroad, don't pay tax, move in with your money in 10-15 years when western countries are bankrupt.

Red pill and morality have nothing to do with each other. Some would argue pumping and dumping women to be in the grey area of the morality index(I am not one of them). As for manning up, what is possibly more manly than power? Politicians are at the top of the pecking order. There is a reason they are hated so much, its called jealousy. I am not a government employee but I would take up a good position in a heart beat for a very capitalist reason: greed.

I don't know man, I work in a field which is ripe with opportunity for those willing to compromise their morals (affiliate marketing). I could have made a lot more money if I sold these bs 'trial' fraud products which steal money out of innocent peoples bank account. I might even have been able to forget about it for some time, but I believe it will do the damage and eventually you will be 'pot committed' to it and begin rationalizing something you know is wrong and that is when you become a real douchebag.

So yeah, the money may be good in the government, the power may be there, but you're doing the wrong thing and it will turn you bad.

Ethics is what I'm getting at. I can't do things which directly conflict with my ethics.

What is so unethical about working for the government? It is an entity sanctioned and funded by the people. Would you rather work for an MNC that has sweatshops in Bangladesh? Truth be told, I am no fan of big government. I just don't understand this perspective that the private sector can do no wrong. Just look at BP, they practically destroyed the coast line in the Gulf where I grew up. Ethics has no place on a corporate balance sheet...

Since you brough up ethics, consider this:

You need money to pay for your childs schooling, maybe you spent it on binge drinking, maybe you are unemployed, maybe you spent your youth partying and not getting an education so now you don't make enough. Your neighbor has more money than you do. Is it ok - and ethical - for you to go over to your neighbor and threathen him or rob him to give you money?

Now, you probably don't think that is ok, at least you wouldn't do it. Is it then ok for you to hire some goons to go to your neighbor and shake him down for money? Maybe you don't pay the goons directly put give them a cut of what ever money they can extort. Would that be ok?

Probably not right, I don't know many people who'd do that, because that is essentially mafia behavior.

Now, maybe you and a bunch of other people on your road decide that this neighbor should give you money, so you call a homeowner meeting and vote that this neighbor should give you his money. If he doesn't agree, goons are going to come to his home and put him in a cage. Is that ok?

Last, maybe a whole bunch of you decide that you will vote yourself that all the rich neighbors in a country should pay to those neighbors with less money. If they don't agree, they are thrown behind bars. You call this taxation and government. Is this ok?

 

[Magyarphile]

Firstly, I didn't bring up ethics, you did. It is not something I enjoy talking about because there is no agreed upon definition. Morality is relative, the world is grey. As for your example, I think we all dislike coercion. Government is as you say a coercive force given legitimacy but the concept of majority rule. We can whine and gripe about it but it remains a necessary evil. When said rich man agrees to build the roads, charter schools for poor children and defend the country against foreign threats than I will entertain your notion that we don't need a government.

 

[zatara]

Unless there is a big, big difference in wages I don't see why anyone would ever take private sector over government work in their 20s. In my industry my choice was work 60 hours a week for $55k a year or work 40 hours a week for $40k a year when I was fresh out of college. Plus a big difference in allocated holiday days.

The difference in free time allows you to stay in good shape, maintain your friendships, develop yourself intellectually, go on dates during the work week and travel the world. And you shouldn't need the extra cash in your 20s anyway - you don't need the nice BMW or the penthouse at that age, it's still socially acceptable to be somewhat studenty.

If after a couple years your career isn't moving fast enough (as it likely won't be) for your liking, and you want both promotions and money, then you can always switch to private sector once youre 30+. You'll probably be 2/3 years behind someone who went in at 25 years old but you'll have a hell of a lot more (and better) life experience.

 

[mastauser]

Firstly, I didn't bring up ethics, you did. It is not something I enjoy talking about because there is no agreed upon definition. Morality is relative, the world is grey. As for your example, I think we all dislike coercion. Government is as you say a coercive force given legitimacy but the concept of majority rule. We can whine and gripe about it but it remains a necessary evil. When said rich man agrees to build the roads, charter schools for poor children and defend the country against foreign threats than I will entertain your notion that we don't need a government.

Morality and ethics are not the same.

Ethics are not 'grey', that is the whole point of ethics, to figure out morality based on rationality, not random custom.

You're a moral relativist fine. Not very interesting but ok.

Then why, if you feel the world is grey and there is no true morality, do you think there is such a concept as a nation or that anyone should build school for children or protect against anyone? After all, if morality is relative, why does your definition of morality take superiority over any other kind of morality?

Sorry, those two standpoints are completely opposed. Really, your argument isn't sound at all.

My standpoint is pretty simple. I consider taxation theft and I do not believe outsourcing your robbery and violence makes it any more legitimate. I do not believe the majority should rule the minority. It's like the 3 wolves and the lamb voting what to have for dinner.

 

[_DC_]

Impossible question w/o specifics. In general a govt job will pay slightly less and offer more work/life and flexibilty and better benefits.

It really depends on the type of job. In the engineering and legal fields, Id say govt all the way. This is because the pay is already high and the work force is selective. Because of this the govt has to compete and raise the salaries if too many quality employees get leached to the private sector. The difference between $75k working your ass off may be worth it vs. $50k. However, Making $210k and working your ass off versus $140k and a plumb job is a different story. At the higher end, the extra money (50% more in both cases) doesnt mean as much (lowering marginal value).

Some govt jobs are also implementing work from home and even more have completely flexible hours.