Neuralink - Elon Musk Unveils New Implant Which Enables The Brain to Control Devices

joost

Kingfisher
^^
It's likely this will finally include the long dreamed of capability for sub-orbital airline flights that can go from New York to Tokyo in an hour.

Have to disagree with the benefits of reusing the rocket, leading to the likelihood of sub-orbital flights.

SpaceX is doing a fine job specially because it’s a private enterprise (less wa$te).
If I remember correctly, the Concorde was retired not because possible future accidents but because people were not willing to pay a premium for a few hours difference. A decade ago, flights from LA to NY (or NY to LA) took an hour less but planes used to spend more fuel. Companies realized the market want affordable prices.

Sub-orbital flight looks great in theory but who in their sane mind would risk their life to go from NY to Tokyo instead of a comfortable 1st class flight or private jet instead? Not a king, president, etc. maybe some crazy young billionaire for the attention.

Rockets use A LOT of fuel. They need too much energy for the lift. The payload is a tiny percentage of the whole thing. It’s worth to send a satellite but not to put a human.

I would love to see all those concepts turning to reality but I realized it’s 99% BS to get investor money.
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
Arado said:
There's a lot of skepticism on this thread - no one is denying that this tech is risky, but are you sure that it won't work? Maybe not next year, but what about a decade from now?

And if it works, wouldn't those that use it gain a competitive advantage over others (in work, dating, warfare, athletics, negotiations, etc) that those who don't use it will be at a huge disadvantage?

And this is precisely the problem.
Once this works, you'll just have to get a loan to get one implanted into your brain - or get supplanted by somebody who did, and lose your job, your home, your family, and in the end your life.
Is this really what you want ?
 

Arado

Pelican
Gold Member
Oberrheiner said:
Arado said:
There's a lot of skepticism on this thread - no one is denying that this tech is risky, but are you sure that it won't work? Maybe not next year, but what about a decade from now?

And if it works, wouldn't those that use it gain a competitive advantage over others (in work, dating, warfare, athletics, negotiations, etc) that those who don't use it will be at a huge disadvantage?

And this is precisely the problem.
Once this works, you'll just have to get a loan to get one implanted into your brain - or get supplanted by somebody who did, and lose your job, your home, your family, and in the end your life.
Is this really what you want ?

Look, you can complain and whine all you want about globalist control, automation, the "system" and long for a more traditional time. But make no mistake, others will use this technology and are gunning for your wealth and resources. Until you can figure out how to outwit the globalists, you have to play their game.

The Amish and various tribes living their ancient lifestyle survive by the generosity of the societies around them that protect them from foreign invaders who would be more than happy to steal their land and resources. If too many people reject modern technology then a country would become weaker than its competitors and ripe for conquest.

Survival of the fittest - adapt or die.

Every new era brought advances in human technology, each wave seeming unnatural, an abomination against nature, and bringing its own set of conspiracy theories. Do you want to get rid of prosthetics, x rays, LASIK? What about all of modern medicine?

The Neanderthals also failed to adapt to changing conditions and more sophisticated cooperative tribes that Homo Sapiens brought to Europe. I'm sure horses weren't too happy when cars came out and they were no longer needed.
 

loremipsum

Kingfisher
Neuralink

Arado said:
There's a lot of skepticism on this thread - no one is denying that this tech is risky, but are you sure that it won't work? Maybe not next year, but what about a decade from now?

And if it works, wouldn't those that use it gain a competitive advantage over others (in work, dating, warfare, athletics, negotiations, etc) that those who don't use it will be at a huge disadvantage?


Like Simeon wisely said, these machines will have backdoors to everything and will be more controlled than the internet.
The advantages you would gain are simply advantages the elite allows you to have, therefore not really advantages but trojan horses.

No amount of 'hug' advantages would make me insert one of these into my brain. Do you care more about pleasures of the flesh or your spirit?
 
Malone said:
To clear up what seems to be a misconception - I don't believe this is (currently) an input device. It's output only. It's equivalent to planting very sensitive microphones in the brain and "listening" for the noise the brain makes. Once they have reams of that data they can train a neural net to understand your intentions, and thus you can use your brain to control things.

Going the other way pretty much wouldn't be feasible, yet.

Why not? They need to program what happens after certain brain signals are picked up by the device. By changing this programming they can make the person having the device act in any way that they'd like.
 

Psalm27

Woodpecker
Gold Member
This technology would likely not supercharge your brain with artificial intelligence as much as it would do the opposite and supercharge the AI with a legion of drones in a cybernetic hive.

Because once connected to an AI it will be able to send signals to the Neuralink device over the internet to activate the electrodes which stimulate your brain at any time, otherwise the device would not work. However you will not be able to have the same level of control over the AI, because many people will be connected to the same AI and they can't all be in control of it to a level that would create a power parity.

So you are in effect giving yourself over to the AI by installing this device. You are attaching a technological parasite to your brain that may at some point be able to read your thoughts and memories, implant new thoughts and memories, stimulate feelings of pleasure and pain, control your bodily functions and so on.

There's actually a Stargate episode where something like this happens to the people of P3X-289. These people live in a town protected by an electromagnetic field that keeps out the toxic atmosphere of their planet. Everyone is connected to "the link" through a brain interface device like the Neuralink (except it doesn't require brain surgery to attach). "The link" is an AI through which they can access all the information of their civilization instantly.

However "the link" also manages the entire society. Now in this episode it turns out that the electromagnetic field is failing because it is powered by geothermal energy that is running out. So "the link" has to constantly reduce the size of the electromagnetic field, and thus the size of the town. So in addition to this, it introduces population control measures by taking control of people in the town and making them kill themselves by walking outside of the electromagnetic field into the deadly toxic environment. Then "the link" deletes all memories of these people from every person in the town.

https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Revisions
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
Arado said:
Oberrheiner said:
Arado said:
There's a lot of skepticism on this thread - no one is denying that this tech is risky, but are you sure that it won't work? Maybe not next year, but what about a decade from now?

And if it works, wouldn't those that use it gain a competitive advantage over others (in work, dating, warfare, athletics, negotiations, etc) that those who don't use it will be at a huge disadvantage?

And this is precisely the problem.
Once this works, you'll just have to get a loan to get one implanted into your brain - or get supplanted by somebody who did, and lose your job, your home, your family, and in the end your life.
Is this really what you want ?

Look, you can complain and whine all you want about globalist control, automation, the "system" and long for a more traditional time. But make no mistake, others will use this technology and are gunning for your wealth and resources. Until you can figure out how to outwit the globalists, you have to play their game.

The Amish and various tribes living their ancient lifestyle survive by the generosity of the societies around them that protect them from foreign invaders who would be more than happy to steal their land and resources. If too many people reject modern technology then a country would become weaker than its competitors and ripe for conquest.

Survival of the fittest - adapt or die.

Every new era brought advances in human technology, each wave seeming unnatural, an abomination against nature, and bringing its own set of conspiracy theories. Do you want to get rid of prosthetics, x rays, LASIK? What about all of modern medicine?

The Neanderthals also failed to adapt to changing conditions and more sophisticated cooperative tribes that Homo Sapiens brought to Europe. I'm sure horses weren't too happy when cars came out and they were no longer needed.

Ok so let's say we have a new device for you, all of google's AI inside your brain, available right now - are you ready for it ?

Oh sure, the prototype takes some space, it's basically the size of your skull so we'll have to remove all your grey matter beforehand, but don't worry - it will be all be downloaded into our machine first, so you won't lose anything we promise.
Still ready ? :)

Also more seriously speaking we do not know what happened to neanderthal.
It is totally a possibility that he was simply too nice to a more aggressive and fecund wave of immigration .. no need to worry here either of course.
 

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
Neuralink is another shiny object Tesla side show.

Ever notice whenever Tesla is about to release info, Musk comes out with some kind of parlor trick to distract everybody?
Tesla trailer truck, Tesla pickup (both mere concepts), Mission to mars, "funding secured" tweets, now this stupid brain thing...

Meanwhile they're hemorrhaging cash. But hey, he's putting up a factory in China to make more or something...

He's been doing a pretty good job of keeping the balls in the air so far, but the math can only be delayed for so long.
 

Arado

Pelican
Gold Member
Oberrheiner said:
Ok so let's say we have a new device for you, all of google's AI inside your brain, available right now - are you ready for it ?

Oh sure, the prototype takes some space, it's basically the size of your skull so we'll have to remove all your grey matter beforehand, but don't worry - it will be all be downloaded into our machine first, so you won't lose anything we promise.
Still ready ? :)

Also more seriously speaking we do not know what happened to neanderthal.
It is totally a possibility that he was simply too nice to a more aggressive and fecund wave of immigration .. no need to worry here either of course.

Not sure what your point is - again, people are instinctually against this because it violates God, or because Elon Musk is pushing it. Point being that at some point in the next decade or two, NOT having this is going to put you at a major disadvantage in competing for jobs, dates, and social/business opportunities. If mind uploading becomes possible, then you better have your FU money, because at that point human labor will have zero value.
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
That's a simplistic view - I don't believe in god and I think musk is a crook.
It's just that I don't want to become part machine to better fit into a slave society, and I believe it should be obvious to anyone why this is not a good idea.

I mean first we started to not select any more for people of value, and we saw the problems that brought.
Now we want to select for the most submissive ones ? Sure, great idea !
And valuing your status in society more than your own body ? Even better !

Do it, now !
 

ilostabet

Pelican
Arado said:
Oberrheiner said:
Arado said:
There's a lot of skepticism on this thread - no one is denying that this tech is risky, but are you sure that it won't work? Maybe not next year, but what about a decade from now?

And if it works, wouldn't those that use it gain a competitive advantage over others (in work, dating, warfare, athletics, negotiations, etc) that those who don't use it will be at a huge disadvantage?

And this is precisely the problem.
Once this works, you'll just have to get a loan to get one implanted into your brain - or get supplanted by somebody who did, and lose your job, your home, your family, and in the end your life.
Is this really what you want ?

Look, you can complain and whine all you want about globalist control, automation, the "system" and long for a more traditional time. But make no mistake, others will use this technology and are gunning for your wealth and resources. Until you can figure out how to outwit the globalists, you have to play their game.

The Amish and various tribes living their ancient lifestyle survive by the generosity of the societies around them that protect them from foreign invaders who would be more than happy to steal their land and resources. If too many people reject modern technology then a country would become weaker than its competitors and ripe for conquest.

Why not take advantage of that generosity?

If it is as inevitable as you think, then the difference is only when we get to merge into the cloud and our minds get to be ruled by an AI. The Amish and other similar groups who live off the land and shun much or all of modern technology, will be the last to be affected. Sure, it will be abrupt - but that also means that they were freer than everybody who was warmed up for it over a long period.

So it's either now or later. I'll take later.

The more society advances, not only in technology, but in the narcissism that it enables and the resulting culture, more and more compromises will have to be made to be part of it - of your morals, your freedom, your autonomy, and with this technology, your consciousness and your soul. I mean, the deal is already partly done. We are all, to one degree or another, complicit in the corruption. But there's a line for every man - willingly giving them control over my mind is a line I will never cross. It's better to be homeless, in prison, or dead than to suffer that terror.

«For what profits a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul»
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
Arado said:
I'm sure horses weren't too happy when cars came out and they were no longer needed.

This is an interesting example by the way.

Maybe some of you remember the "flying superman" from the gilets jaunes ? :)
He's not a gypsy as it was said, well not a romani anyway - he's a yenish and that's very different.
You've probably seen them already, they often sell wicker baskets on the side of the roads here - hence why we call them "vanniers" here.

So anyway, two centuries ago those people were farriers, and when the industrial revolution came and horses were phased out they simply refused to become slaves in the factories, and thus became itinerant and lived from .. well nobody knows what exactly, they have their own businesses, sometimes legal sometimes not.
Not that they care much since they deny any legitimacy to the state anyway.

Novelty is not always progress.
And neither is inevitable, you always have a choice.
 

Arado

Pelican
Gold Member
ilostabet said:
Arado said:
Look, you can complain and whine all you want about globalist control, automation, the "system" and long for a more traditional time. But make no mistake, others will use this technology and are gunning for your wealth and resources. Until you can figure out how to outwit the globalists, you have to play their game.

The Amish and various tribes living their ancient lifestyle survive by the generosity of the societies around them that protect them from foreign invaders who would be more than happy to steal their land and resources. If too many people reject modern technology then a country would become weaker than its competitors and ripe for conquest.

Why not take advantage of that generosity?

If it is as inevitable as you think, then the difference is only when we get to merge into the cloud and our minds get to be ruled by an AI. The Amish and other similar groups who live off the land and shun much or all of modern technology, will be the last to be affected. Sure, it will be abrupt - but that also means that they were freer than everybody who was warmed up for it over a long period.

So it's either now or later. I'll take later.

The more society advances, not only in technology, but in the narcissism that it enables and the resulting culture, more and more compromises will have to be made to be part of it - of your morals, your freedom, your autonomy, and with this technology, your consciousness and your soul. I mean, the deal is already partly done. We are all, to one degree or another, complicit in the corruption. But there's a line for every man - willingly giving them control over my mind is a line I will never cross. It's better to be homeless, in prison, or dead than to suffer that terror.

«For what profits a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul»

Again - the Amish are only able to do this because they have a society that indulges them. They could never maintain that society on their own and remain advanced enough to hold off modern armies gunning for their territory. Sure, as an individual you can take advantage of society's generosity but then you will always remain at their mercy. What happens if there is a major economic crash and the government needs to eminent domain your land to sell it to a major corporation? You're going to whine about maintaining your "soul sovereignty"? No one is going to care. Ultimately, strength, power, and economic productivity are the only things that make you valuable to a society.

While this may seem like a "line in the sand," don't be so sure. All medical advances are unnatural and interfere in "God's plan" for mankind. This has nothing to do with narcism - it's simply a recognition that the world is getting too complex for biological brains to process and more computing power is necessary to keep up.

As of now, neuralink gives your mind tremendous new powers to influence the environment around it. All this talk about mind control is from the globalist conspiracy theorists that don't recognize the basic reality that humanity has always been evolving and adapting and this is just the next iteration of survival of the fittest.

You can whine all you want about your soul, but the Chinese are coming, will be at the forefront of these technologies, and they will eat your lunch if you refuse to adapt to the future.
 
Again - the Amish are only able to do this because they have a society that indulges them. They could never maintain that society on their own and remain advanced enough to hold off modern armies gunning for their territory. Sure, as an individual you can take advantage of society's generosity but then you will always remain at their mercy. What happens if there is a major economic crash and the government needs to eminent domain your land to sell it to a major corporation? You're going to whine about maintaining your "soul sovereignty"? No one is going to care. Ultimately, strength, power, and economic productivity are the only things that make you valuable to a society.

While this may seem like a "line in the sand," don't be so sure. All medical advances are unnatural and interfere in "God's plan" for mankind. This has nothing to do with narcism - it's simply a recognition that the world is getting too complex for biological brains to process and more computing power is necessary to keep up.

As of now, neuralink gives your mind tremendous new powers to influence the environment around it. All this talk about mind control is from the globalist conspiracy theorists that don't recognize the basic reality that humanity has always been evolving and adapting and this is just the next iteration of survival of the fittest.


You can whine all you want about your soul, but the Chinese are coming, will be at the forefront of these technologies, and they will eat your lunch if you refuse to adapt to the future.

Very dystopian.
 
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