Never Eat Beef Again....

[Meadowlark]

This whole discussion just makes me sad that grass-fed beef is so freaking expensive.

We have a limited number of hormone free, antibiotic free, grass-finished beef available right now. We are offering a 1/8 beef bundle for $300. This includes:
-2 Ribeyes -2 chuck roasts
-2 KC strips -1 Rump roast
-2 Filets -4 Cubed Steak
-1 Top Sirloin -2 lbs Stew Meat
-2 soup bones -20 lbs Ground Beef

 

[Tokyo Joe]

The back-and-forth here over grass- vs. corn-fed is starting to generate enough heat to grill a burger.
This thread is moving in the direction I was hoping for :wink:

Anyway, I think we all know damn well what the most important diet staple of the world's finest cow is --

 

[sixsix]

I actually agree that civilized domesticated men should opt for a vegetarian diet in the modern world.

Fixed that for you.

:wink:

 

[Veloce]

The OP botched a important way to educate people on cows. What the video shows is that cows can't digest much else aside from grasses and hay. They are fed "grains" here in the west and corn feed and it fucks uobthier stomach and makes them suck, thus needing a whole cocktail of antibiotics and drugs just to keep them up right. This all affects the quality of the meat you buybas its stringy, fatty, and stressed versus a healthy cow that grew up eating grass and growing to weight in a more natural time setting.

Sorry. I live in Wisconsin. Land of more cows than people.

This is off the charts bullshit.

Edit-To be clear I am not jumping Kosko's ass on this. I generally support his views, however two nights in a row we disagree. Not a big deal. Don't read into it. I'd hope no one thought that. I know Kosko doesn't.

What about it is bullshit? Are you suggesting cows are meant to eat corn?

 

[Slim Shady]

I actually agree that civilized domesticated men should opt for a vegetarian diet in the modern world.

Fixed that for you.

:wink:

I understand that this is a joke, and I expected even more ragging for my comments for being a pussy or w/e.

However understand that the greatest position of power is the ability to be merciful. It is when you have total power, total ability to end someone's life, or cause them suffering, and choose not to do so - that is real power.

Eat meat when you are thrown in a jungle or a post apocalyptic scenario. That is when you need it. But understand that with "need" comes a loss of power. When you need something, you are weakened, and not in total control.

I have never suffered due to my diet. As an athlete I was kicking the meat eating kids asses. You just have to put in more effort and do more research so that you get all of the required nutrients. It is little to sacrifice for the power of mercy.

PETA and Change.org might be a bunch of loonies but the truth is that animal cruelty is unforgivable in my book. It is like torturing a helpless baby or a mentally disabled person. What sick pleasure do you derive from that? Just to look cool and be a tough man? That's a lot of meaningless posturing.

The suffering of animals is real.

 

[BCien]

Unrelated but this picture always makes me hungry

 

[LouEvilSlugger]

The suffering of animals is real.

Bullshit.

Have you actually visited a farm? I work in operations for one of the biggest meat producing and processing company in the world. Not sure for other meats like poultry, but the beef and veal markets are extremely regulated in Canada and Europe, animal welfare is a top priority.

 

[General Stalin]

I actually agree that civilized domesticated men should opt for a vegetarian diet in the modern world.

Fixed that for you.

:wink:

I understand that this is a joke, and I expected even more ragging for my comments for being a pussy or w/e.

However understand that the greatest position of power is the ability to be merciful. It is when you have total power, total ability to end someone's life, or cause them suffering, and choose not to do so - that is real power.

Eat meat when you are thrown in a jungle or a post apocalyptic scenario. That is when you need it. But understand that with "need" comes a loss of power. When you need something, you are weakened, and not in total control.

I have never suffered due to my diet. As an athlete I was kicking the meat eating kids asses. You just have to put in more effort and do more research so that you get all of the required nutrients. It is little to sacrifice for the power of mercy.

PETA and Change.org might be a bunch of loonies but the truth is that animal cruelty is unforgivable in my book. It is like torturing a helpless baby or a mentally disabled person. What sick pleasure do you derive from that? Just to look cool and be a tough man? That's a lot of meaningless posturing.

The suffering of animals is real.

So eating meat makes you weak? Get the fuck outta here. You sound like all those other self-righteous anti-meat hippies who feels the need to qualify that they are healthy and able-bodied despite having a deliberately alternative diet just to justify their moral high-ground.

Your straw man argument against eating meat is laughable here. By your logic, having the "need" to eat non-meat makes you weak too. You're weak because you need lentils beans, nuts, and maybe even man-made supplements to make up for your lack of protein, amino acids, B vitamins, and iron that you could get from eating a pork chop once in a while. If you are morally against killing animals then whatever thats your thing, but don't go around saying people are "weak" because you have a soft spot for cows. Humans have been killing animals for their own prosperity since the dawn of time.

 

[Deepdiver]

The back-and-forth here over grass- vs. corn-fed is starting to generate enough heat to grill a burger.
This thread is moving in the direction I was hoping for :wink:

Anyway, I think we all know damn well what the most important diet staple of the world's finest cow is --

Interesting Article:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2014/01/07/the-new-truth-about-kobe-beef-2/

 

[Slim Shady]

I had to make the counterpoint about weakness only because it is accepted for some reason that being vegetarian makes you a "domesticated pussy hipster faggot".

I absolutely hate taking the moral high ground, and have never talked about this kind of thing on the forum before. I just wished to offer the contrarian view because no-one on the forum ever does with this issue.

Humans have indeed been killing since the dawn of man. I am saying that there is no need to do so anymore. What is the need? If you can save a lot of suffering in the world with very little effort on your part why not do it?

I had to make the weakness point because of the meat eating tough guy image. You don't have to eat meat to be a tough guy.

Eating meat doesn't make you weak. Eating meat to look tough, and saying that you have to eat meat to be tough makes you weak.

 

[Rhyme or Reason]

I actually agree that civilized domesticated men should opt for a vegetarian diet in the modern world.

Fixed that for you.

:wink:

I understand that this is a joke, and I expected even more ragging for my comments for being a pussy or w/e.

However understand that the greatest position of power is the ability to be merciful. It is when you have total power, total ability to end someone's life, or cause them suffering, and choose not to do so - that is real power.

Eat meat when you are thrown in a jungle or a post apocalyptic scenario. That is when you need it. But understand that with "need" comes a loss of power. When you need something, you are weakened, and not in total control.

I have never suffered due to my diet. As an athlete I was kicking the meat eating kids asses. You just have to put in more effort and do more research so that you get all of the required nutrients. It is little to sacrifice for the power of mercy.

PETA and Change.org might be a bunch of loonies but the truth is that animal cruelty is unforgivable in my book. It is like torturing a helpless baby or a mentally disabled person. What sick pleasure do you derive from that? Just to look cool and be a tough man? That's a lot of meaningless posturing.

The suffering of animals is real.

Wow, just wow. I literally can't. Please include a trigger warning next time you decide to post about animal cruelty.



I love how you say that PETA is insane, but animal cruelty is NOT OK GUISE!! But you really outdid yourself with the "like torturing a baby" line...


Do you not see the similarities between your arguing tactics and that of SJW's? It's called a false equivalency. That and your appeal to emotion (a bad one at that) which is a very leftist tactic by the way.

 

[General Stalin]

I had to make the counterpoint about weakness only because it is accepted for some reason that being vegetarian makes you a "domesticated pussy hipster faggot".

I absolutely hate taking the moral high ground, and have never talked about this kind of thing on the forum before. I just wished to offer the contrarian view because no-one on the forum ever does with this issue.

Humans have indeed been killing since the dawn of man. I am saying that there is no need to do so anymore. What is the need? If you can save a lot of suffering in the world with very little effort on your part why not do it?

I had to make the weakness point because of the meat eating tough guy image. You don't have to eat meat to be a tough guy. Eating meat doesn't make you weak. Eating meat to look tough, and saying that you have to eat meat to be tough make you weak.

Still not buying this. I get if you don't agree with killing animals then fine. That is your personal moral stance and I won't tread on that, but making up some BS argument because you think you need to appeal to people who apparently see eating meat as making them "tough" is silly and demeaning.

C'mon this is RVF, not a middle school classroom. You are effectively saying you are "dumbing down" your argument into terms you think are relatable to the people reading this thread. We aren't a bunch of meatheaded simpletons thinking "you're not alpha unless you eat a bloody steak once a week." No one is gonna hate on you because you're a vegetarian. Some pretty badass folks out there are hard as fuck without eating any meat. e.g.



You don't like killing animals simple as that. No need to shoot down people who do.

 

[Slim Shady]

Wow, just wow. I literally can't. Please include a trigger warning next time you decide to post about animal cruelty.



I love how you say that PETA is insane, but animal cruelty is NOT OK GUISE!! But you really outdid yourself with the "like torturing a baby" line...


Do you not see the similarities between your arguing tactics and that of SJW's? It's called a false equivalency. That and your appeal to emotion (a bad one at that) which is a very leftist tactic by the way.

There is no similarity between me and SJW's because I live exactly what I preach.

I wish I could make this argument without including any pathos...although pathos does play a major part in this for some.

Ignore the pathos and listen to the logos. There is no need for it.

Torturing the baby in the sense that both are helpless creatures that you lord over and they can not retaliate. I don't see the false equivalency.

I really hate having a moral debate, or even a debate that seems moral.

I will not be posting in this thread anymore. Looks like I have ruffled a hornet's nest...or dare I say, slaughtered a sacred cow?

 

[GlobalMan]

There is an ethical reason not to eat meat.

No there isn't, thats a silly thing to say.

Its a personal choice, if you don't want to for whatever reason then thats cool. But to make it about ethics is laughable.

 

[kaotic]

Meh, I just skip out on beef, I rarely eat it, I eat fish, veggies, fruit, ground turkey, and chicken.

Throw in a cheat meal here and there, brown rice, and isolate whey protein, it's all good !

 

[Veloce]

PETA and Change.org might be a bunch of loonies but the truth is that animal cruelty is unforgivable in my book. It is like torturing a helpless baby or a mentally disabled person. What sick pleasure do you derive from that? Just to look cool and be a tough man? That's a lot of meaningless posturing.

The suffering of animals is real.

Eating meat does not translate to animal suffering.

Factory farming, on the other hand, is a different story. Factory farmed pigs absolutely do suffer, and I would love to see some reform here. However I'm not a fan of government stepping in and being the source of this reform. I wouldn't count on consumers demanding reform either if it means bacon prices doubling.

The fact is, we need a massive overhaul of our food production system in the U.S. It's way too centralized and regulated. There's this erroneous notion that grassfed or pastured animals MUST be more expensive. They are only more expensive than conventionally raised animals because we are still operating in a centralized food production system.

We talk a lot about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. I would love to see a politician talk about farming and jumpstarting the entire industry to focus on local product and competition. Produce like avocados and figs are seen as expensive luxury items. I've seen avocados go from $1 to $2 PER AVOCADO, when I've lived in places in California like Ojai where this shit just falls on the side of the road and rots. Why is it so expensive? Labor, processing, and transportation. I'm pretty goddamn sure avocados don't just grow in Southern California, so rather than offer incentives and subsidies for corporate agri-business, those incentives should be allocated towards startup farms, young guys coming out of ag school at UC Davis.

The same goes for livestock production. The knowledge is out there, you've got mavericks like Joel Salatin at Polyface Farms, teaching the next generation of ranchers how to run a sustainable and healthy pasture, but this is seen as a niche market rather than the mainstream. People like him have fought an uphill battle against the USDA when these are the people we should be rewarding and giving them the keys to create agricultural standards.

I actually prefer the taste of grassfed beef. It may not be as tender, and it overcooks easily, but the flavor and health benefits far outweigh grain fed beef.

The USDA hates small farmers.

 

[MidWest]

Has anybody seen people slaughter hogs or cows?

It is pretty sad when you see the pig literally yelling for its life while someone is trying to cute its throat. But then again I love my pork-chops and sausage.

 

[General Stalin]

Has anybody seen people slaughter hogs or cows?

It is pretty sad when you see the pig literally yelling for its life while someone is trying to cute its throat. But then again I love my pork-chops and sausage.

Everytime I've seen a "humane" slaughtering its usually just a bullet or spear right to the head. Kills them instantly and painlessly.

 

[Veloce]

^^ Same, I've attended both a pig and cow slaughter. The pig one was tough but the cow just took a bullet and collapsed. These were at small farms, not in a factory.

 

[GlobalMan]

Has anybody seen people slaughter hogs or cows?

It is pretty sad when you see the pig literally yelling for its life while someone is trying to cute its throat. But then again I love my pork-chops and sausage.

Its been happening for thousands of years, and if you were born 150+ years ago you'd likely have been taught to do it yourself.