Never Eat Beef Again....
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No need to argue here really. Both sides are right to a degree.
Animal cruelty is in our current high-tech state unnecessary. We have already technologies which could let animals fall asleep through gas, chemicals or even sound-wave technology. They would fall asleep and not even witness their death. As far as mass holdings and foremost the terrible state that chickens or pigs find themselves - yes that is mass cruelty to the x-degree except for some organic and small farms.
As far as eating meat goes - in most areas and times of human history there was no choice. During WWI many young recruits grew some 3 inches on average because they tasted meat for the first time on a regular basis. When you are starved of essential nutrients and fats, because you don't have avocados, healthy fats and the like during winter and crucial development phases, then you may grow to be dumber and shorter.
That said - there is also some truth to the fact, that meat is rather problematic for us humans. For example all alternative diet therapies in terms of cancer abolish completely milk products and all meats for a time and replace it all with a raw vegan diet. The ingestion of meat is problematic for humans.
Plus there are other indicators that show that we humans seem to be better suited to vegan diets:
Personally I am not completely set yet on what is the best human diet. I would not recommend the elimination of meat as of yet. The elite actually wants it and the UN has written about it. But don't think that you are to get high quality vegan food - it will be more likely frozen beans and potatoes - all soaked with pesticides. That is no improvement.
Our technological state could already create a wonderful environment for animals where they would have a great life and a painless death and it would be better if meat was 2-3 times more expensive, but just much more nutritious and healthy at the same time. That way it would be a win-win except for the psychopathic feedlot-operators, which should be banned anyway for many reasons.
Animal cruelty is in our current high-tech state unnecessary. We have already technologies which could let animals fall asleep through gas, chemicals or even sound-wave technology. They would fall asleep and not even witness their death. As far as mass holdings and foremost the terrible state that chickens or pigs find themselves - yes that is mass cruelty to the x-degree except for some organic and small farms.
As far as eating meat goes - in most areas and times of human history there was no choice. During WWI many young recruits grew some 3 inches on average because they tasted meat for the first time on a regular basis. When you are starved of essential nutrients and fats, because you don't have avocados, healthy fats and the like during winter and crucial development phases, then you may grow to be dumber and shorter.
That said - there is also some truth to the fact, that meat is rather problematic for us humans. For example all alternative diet therapies in terms of cancer abolish completely milk products and all meats for a time and replace it all with a raw vegan diet. The ingestion of meat is problematic for humans.
Plus there are other indicators that show that we humans seem to be better suited to vegan diets:
Personally I am not completely set yet on what is the best human diet. I would not recommend the elimination of meat as of yet. The elite actually wants it and the UN has written about it. But don't think that you are to get high quality vegan food - it will be more likely frozen beans and potatoes - all soaked with pesticides. That is no improvement.
Our technological state could already create a wonderful environment for animals where they would have a great life and a painless death and it would be better if meat was 2-3 times more expensive, but just much more nutritious and healthy at the same time. That way it would be a win-win except for the psychopathic feedlot-operators, which should be banned anyway for many reasons.
Suits said:
Suits: Oh is that how you prep your cat-meat for grilling in The Jing? :tongue: [I keed! I keed!]
Deadly serious for a moment -- "That guy" has forgotten more about how to prepare meat than most of us will ever know.
Here are the two methods, direct and indirect, for grilling a burger to perfection:
Zelcorpion said:No need to argue here really. Both sides are right to a degree.
Animal cruelty is in our current high-tech state unnecessary. We have already technologies which could let animals fall asleep through gas, chemicals or even sound-wave technology. They would fall asleep and not even witness their death. As far as mass holdings and foremost the terrible state that chickens or pigs find themselves - yes that is mass cruelty to the x-degree except for some organic and small farms.
As far as eating meat goes - in most areas and times of human history there was no choice. During WWI many young recruits grew some 3 inches on average because they tasted meat for the first time on a regular basis. When you are starved of essential nutrients and fats, because you don't have avocados, healthy fats and the like during winter and crucial development phases, then you may grow to be dumber and shorter.
That said - there is also some truth to the fact, that meat is rather problematic for us humans. For example all alternative diet therapies in terms of cancer abolish completely milk products and all meats for a time and replace it all with a raw vegan diet. The ingestion of meat is problematic for humans.
Plus there are other indicators that show that we humans seem to be better suited to vegan diets:
Personally I am not completely set yet on what is the best human diet. I would not recommend the elimination of meat as of yet. The elite actually wants it and the UN has written about it. But don't think that you are to get high quality vegan food - it will be more likely frozen beans and potatoes - all soaked with pesticides. That is no improvement.
Our technological state could already create a wonderful environment for animals where they would have a great life and a painless death and it would be better if meat was 2-3 times more expensive, but just much more nutritious and healthy at the same time. That way it would be a win-win except for the psychopathic feedlot-operators, which should be banned anyway for many reasons.
I don't necessarily disagree with that, but not exactly a unbiased source on that graphic.
void
Pelican
Whenever I see the infamous teeth comparison above, I get enraged.
What a bonobo one of our closest "siblings" looks like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_chimpanzee#Diet_and_foraging
Humans may have lost their fangs, because they are disadvantageous in fist fights. Ripping your mouth to shreds when hit in the face.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_chimpanzee#Diet_and_foraging
Humans may have lost their fangs, because they are disadvantageous in fist fights. Ripping your mouth to shreds when hit in the face.
Zelcorpion said:
On the other hand, look at the eyes: "eyes in front, ready to hunt, eyes to the side, run and hide". Almost universally, predators eyes face forward and they have depth perception, herbivores eyes face to the side and they have incredibly wide field of view, but little or no depth perception.
Our head structure is set up to be a hunter. There are good arguments that the reason we evolved big brains is because men are trackers & stalkers. Lions & pure carnivores are built around rapid assault and aggression. Pure herbivores either have formidable defenses or formidable speed. Men have neither, but we have intelligence and endurance. Men can jog along at a moderate pace for hours. Over very long distances, men can outrun horses. In fact, a man can outrun any animal over very long distances.
There are a very few primitive societies left where they practice hunting by exhaustion; they literally chase an animal to its death. It's not even a matter of finding a cliff and getting the animal to run off it. An antelope can outrun a man, but as long as a group of men can keep an animal in the line of sight, they can chase it until it collapses from exhaustion, and then a kill is straightforward.
In fact, this is a lot like how packs of dogs hunt which neatly explains why dogs and men have a symbiotic relationship.
Nord said:
Exactly.
I have grown up with my father and grandfather knocking cows,lambs and pigs out with a sledgehammer straight into their head.
None of these animals yelled, they were killed in their own enviroment.
I still have a hard time understanding people who have "feelings" for animals that we are eating. For me it's just a other animal. We feed them to get food on the table.
Chaos said:
Its a lot better than what Mexicans do.
Mexicans grab the pig, tie it up and use a sharp iron stick and stab the pig in the flesh as they try to aim at the heart while the pig is bleeding and screaming in pain. I've witnessed this twice and it was not a pretty sight.
Aquiles_Baesta_Parada
Kingfisher
Related...
From the golden era of The Simpsons:
From the golden era of The Simpsons:
Any of you ever try the In n' Out Burger?
RockHard said:
Evolutionary arguments are very limited. Frugivore apes have eyes in the front too just like us.
And claiming that we have just de-evolved our fangs because we humans were always fighting with our fists is just one of those arguments that Roosh has written against in his evolution article. Pretty much anything can be claimed to be a "evolved".
The fact is that we simply cannot stomach meat raw and all meat others can. Yeah - the Game of Thrones dragons need their meat cooked, but they spew fire because of it - heh.
We humans can eat a lot of things, we can literally eat shit and we have adapted, but what constitutes the best diet is another matter. And someone please finally leave the bloody bonobos alone, because their faulty studies on captivity are trumped out by every god-damned feminist as proof for matriarchy, homosexuality and hyperpromiscuity. We have often repeated here that the studies are comparable to an Alien race studying male prisons and then assuming that all are psychopathic, violent closet homosexuals.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v486/n7404/full/nature11128.html
Even in nature they cite the captivity studies. There was a scientist who studied them in the open they are aggressive, patriarchal and territorial just like most other apes. The bonobos when kept in captivity together with females just spend their days fucking and letting the women run the show, since food is plenty and there is no competition.
Ah - science - whatever fits their shitty viewpoint is going to be financed.
As far as meat eating goes - I have stated my case. All meat eaters or omnivores can digest meat without cooking. Personally I enjoy my steak, but I am not letting that cloud my judgement.
It's important to note that our brain is by and large are most important evolved asset. All the other predators and non-predators you compare to humans are stronger and faster than us. We don't have huge sharp canines and claws because we have never needed them - we do not attack with our teeth and claws. We do not use brute strength and superior physical prowess to prosper. We use our intellect.
The argument can be made that our digestive systems are sensitive to raw foods and rind because it takes a considerable amount of energy to process these foods. Our brains and our lifestyles are vastly different from other creatures in the animal kingdom, therefore perhaps preparing our food allows us to use less energy to digest so we have more for our brains. Food for thought.
The argument can be made that our digestive systems are sensitive to raw foods and rind because it takes a considerable amount of energy to process these foods. Our brains and our lifestyles are vastly different from other creatures in the animal kingdom, therefore perhaps preparing our food allows us to use less energy to digest so we have more for our brains. Food for thought.
Green-On-GO
Woodpecker
Just my 2 cents..I've been eating nothing but grass fed meats and free range chicken..I can taste the difference now...even my bacon is free range.My kids had a problem with milk..My ex thought it was lactos intolerance..I just switched them to organic milk and they have no issues with it now...
Green-On-GO said:
It's probably because of the rBGH - bovine growth hormone which is particularly toxic to the human body in the form of milk consumed. It's forbidden in the EU despite some tries.
Besides - pasteurization changes the characteristics of milk and it's not much use to the body. Raw milk is the best form, but hard to come by in our times. In Switzerland and some EU countries you have raw milk vending machines where you buy 1l of raw milk for about 1$ and it's still a good deal for local farmers. They want to ban that now too of course. Irradiated and x-times pasteurized food is fine, but healthy raw milk is not:
That's how a win-win for farmers and consumers looks like vs. the exploitation of big corporations which only profit the 0,001%.
Green-On-GO
Woodpecker
Zelcorpion said:Green-On-GO said:
It's probably because of the rBGH - bovine growth hormone which is particularly toxic to the human body in the form of milk consumed. It's forbidden in the EU despite some tries.
Besides - pasteurization changes the characteristics of milk and it's not much use to the body. Raw milk is the best form, but hard to come by in our times. In Switzerland and some EU countries you have raw milk vending machines where you buy 1l of raw milk for about 1$ and it's still a good deal for local farmers. They want to ban that now too of course. Irradiated and x-times pasteurized food is fine, but healthy raw milk is not:
That's how a win-win for farmers and consumers looks like vs. the exploitation of big corporations which only profit the 0,001%.
Raw milk is banned here in Australia
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-06/raw-milk-ban-victoria/6076596
Zelcorpion said:
Ugh pass. I managed to score some raw milk a while ago and drank it for a few months. I ended up getting a nasty stomach bug twice in the course of 4 months of drinking it. I hadn't had stomach problems like that in years.
No more, we pasteurize milk for a reason.
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