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Rush87 said:
Every personal case I've seen of a woman in her late 30s and older having kids has resulted in a baby with down syndrome or autism.


I've been saying this for years I don't think autism and down syndrome is related to vaccinations I think it is women waiting longer and longer to have children when their egg fertility rates deplenish.

All of my anti-vaccination friends call me crazy
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
We've gone over this in the vaccine thread.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-34230-post-1728001.html

Main point is that it is very easy to isolate and quantify the age factor in autism rates. You do this by for instance comparing current autism rates with older mothers vs historic autism levels for children of older women only. Age of the mother is only a minor factor according to the data.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
@Vladimir Pootang

Heh.

As is symbolically demonstrated by the silver trumpets (numbers 10:1-10:10) and by (James 4:2) prayer is important. When praying. Pray according to his will and good pleasure and you may receive.

But if you do not pray you shall not receive.
 
doc holliday said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
N°6 said:
...

Likewise don’t allow the Sparrows and the new Faith Militant in this forum tell you that you don’t need Game in church just because they happened to get married with their Game knowledge pre-2016. Look at a map showing divorce rates in the US. The southern Bible Belt has high rates.

...

See, this is what I'm referring to. We've had a bevy of members claiming that the "New Faith Militant" are denouncing "Game" entirely and calling for men to develop total amnesia on female behaviour. Oddly they never seem to quote any of these calls to blue-pilling on women because literally nobody is saying that.

Game is nothing but repackaged masculine virtue minus the social responsibility that comes with patriarchy. As if the young men of the West are doomed unless they learn how to access dozens and dozens of women as cumdumpsters.

It's proven to be a teenage concept in society riddled with delayed adulthood.

This is one area where I always felt that the so called Manosphere had gone of the rails. This notion that you have to game dozens upon dozens of women into bed in order to learn their true nature and then use this to finally find the woman of your dreams was one that I felt was complete nonsense. There isn't a whole lot good that comes from being highly promiscuous for either men or women and is a big part of the reason that everyone is mentally so screwed up these days. It's impossible to form bonds with anyone when everyone is looking for the next hole or pole to get with. Now we have a generation of dudes and ladies who banged the world and are now more lost than ever.

Game really is just a repackaged, bastardized name for masculine virtue, masculine charm and social gracefulness. The very fact that it had to be taught in it's bastardized form to a whole generation of men by strangers on the internet rather than by just going out and doing it, falling on your face, and eventually figuring it out and learning how to be a man who can meet a quality mate is a sad reality of the modern world today. Too many guys want to hang on to the notion that it's necessary to sleep with 100s of women to become a man when in reality a lot of guys who go down this path end up a broken mess. You need so called "game" to meet and screen for a high quality girl and to keep a marriage, no one is denying that like Leonard stated but too many guys, Roosh included, used it for the wrong purposes.

Great post.

This is one of the great and hidden issues of the modern age. The fact is that a lot of people are essentially sex addicts who have no real control over their urges. It expresses itself most commonly in chronic masturbation and porn addiction, which robs society of tons of creative potential. We essentially live in a country full of addicts who were hooked onto extremely graphic sexual material from a very early age. Couple this with acceptance of greater promiscuity and you get the dysfunction that you see today. Couple that with the fact that the economy is getting way more polarized and housing prices are increasing, and it makes sense that family structures and formation are dying in America. We're in a situation where people in extremely technical white collar jobs are the only ones who can comfortably live anywhere in the country. My perspective is skewed from mostly living in HCOL cities, but pretty much any city with big tech companies is going to steadily increase in price over time.

The manosphere absolutely played a role in facilitating this (not the rent increases but the first bit). Instead of teaching men to step back, reassess what was truly important in life, and focus on themselves, it taught men to seek external validation and fulfillment by having sex with randoms. I'm grateful in that it helped me improve my social skills and build a lot of confidence. And I don't hold any particular guru to blame for this. But it undoubtedly played a negative role in terms of promoting promiscuity and bad overall gender relations.

The one good thing about this situation is that a lot of people seem to be turning away from hookup culture. There is also a ton of pushback against pornography, go on YouTube and you'll find NoFap channels with millions and millions of views. In my own group of friends most of us have cut out porn and have mostly cut out hooking up as well. Society in general is waking up to how badly we've been oversexualized and how unhealthy this view of sexuality is. The fact that a place like this -- formerly dedicated to promiscuity and fornication -- has made a complete 180 is pretty telling. I think we're going to see a lot more examples of the RVF forum shift on a broader societal scale. People are only so stupid. There comes a point where everyone realizes that worshipping sex is a bad thing. I think this point is coming for western civilization very soon.
 

wwtl

Kingfisher
Jacob Rast said:
doc holliday said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
N°6 said:
...

Likewise don’t allow the Sparrows and the new Faith Militant in this forum tell you that you don’t need Game in church just because they happened to get married with their Game knowledge pre-2016. Look at a map showing divorce rates in the US. The southern Bible Belt has high rates.

...

See, this is what I'm referring to. We've had a bevy of members claiming that the "New Faith Militant" are denouncing "Game" entirely and calling for men to develop total amnesia on female behaviour. Oddly they never seem to quote any of these calls to blue-pilling on women because literally nobody is saying that.

Game is nothing but repackaged masculine virtue minus the social responsibility that comes with patriarchy. As if the young men of the West are doomed unless they learn how to access dozens and dozens of women as cumdumpsters.

It's proven to be a teenage concept in society riddled with delayed adulthood.

This is one area where I always felt that the so called Manosphere had gone of the rails. This notion that you have to game dozens upon dozens of women into bed in order to learn their true nature and then use this to finally find the woman of your dreams was one that I felt was complete nonsense. There isn't a whole lot good that comes from being highly promiscuous for either men or women and is a big part of the reason that everyone is mentally so screwed up these days. It's impossible to form bonds with anyone when everyone is looking for the next hole or pole to get with. Now we have a generation of dudes and ladies who banged the world and are now more lost than ever.

Game really is just a repackaged, bastardized name for masculine virtue, masculine charm and social gracefulness. The very fact that it had to be taught in it's bastardized form to a whole generation of men by strangers on the internet rather than by just going out and doing it, falling on your face, and eventually figuring it out and learning how to be a man who can meet a quality mate is a sad reality of the modern world today. Too many guys want to hang on to the notion that it's necessary to sleep with 100s of women to become a man when in reality a lot of guys who go down this path end up a broken mess. You need so called "game" to meet and screen for a high quality girl and to keep a marriage, no one is denying that like Leonard stated but too many guys, Roosh included, used it for the wrong purposes.

Great post.

This is one of the great and hidden issues of the modern age. The fact is that a lot of people are essentially sex addicts who have no real control over their urges. It expresses itself most commonly in chronic masturbation and porn addiction, which robs society of tons of creative potential. We essentially live in a country full of addicts who were hooked onto extremely graphic sexual material from a very early age. Couple this with acceptance of greater promiscuity and you get the dysfunction that you see today. Couple that with the fact that the economy is getting way more polarized and housing prices are increasing, and it makes sense that family structures and formation are dying in America. We're in a situation where people in extremely technical white collar jobs are the only ones who can comfortably live anywhere in the country. My perspective is skewed from mostly living in HCOL cities, but pretty much any city with big tech companies is going to steadily increase in price over time.

The manosphere absolutely played a role in facilitating this (not the rent increases but the first bit). Instead of teaching men to step back, reassess what was truly important in life, and focus on themselves, it taught men to seek external validation and fulfillment by having sex with randoms. I'm grateful in that it helped me improve my social skills and build a lot of confidence. And I don't hold any particular guru to blame for this. But it undoubtedly played a negative role in terms of promoting promiscuity and bad overall gender relations.

The one good thing about this situation is that a lot of people seem to be turning away from hookup culture. There is also a ton of pushback against pornography, go on YouTube and you'll find NoFap channels with millions and millions of views. In my own group of friends most of us have cut out porn and have mostly cut out hooking up as well. Society in general is waking up to how badly we've been oversexualized and how unhealthy this view of sexuality is. The fact that a place like this -- formerly dedicated to promiscuity and fornication -- has made a complete 180 is pretty telling. I think we're going to see a lot more examples of the RVF forum shift on a broader societal scale. People are only so stupid. There comes a point where everyone realizes that worshipping sex is a bad thing. I think this point is coming for western civilization very soon.

I've been through this myself. Entering church, getting approached by a much younger Christian chick attracted to my old fornicator vibe, registering on RVF. Then some baptism gets in the way, she catches one-itis, but I - now reborn in Christ - decide to behave like a responsible adult, pleasing God and avoiding drama, ending up with a very disappointed girl (as in 'gina-tingles-unanswered-disappointed).

However exactly that virtuous behavior gained me allies in her closest circle as I recently found out. They just started hinting to her that the next best traditional Christian convert she became very passionate about might be a better option than dating some random fornicator outside Christianity. - I didn't expect that outcome.

Well, turns out young females in an over-sexualized world are still not able to make sound choices. They either have sex right away signing the deal or it doesn't work, leaving them completely confused. The happy gene specimen approaching her prime might still think she failed, because her SMV wasn't high enough and started hitting the gym.
 
^ I think you should have just befriended her. Looks like she wanted attention/love (drama). You could have given her the friendship without the drama. It can calm the girls down and make them content enough not to require dick from another man.
 

wwtl

Kingfisher
@mr_ks I did. I don't intend getting back into fornication, so there are in fact no other options.

And you won't believe how easy things get, once you decide to not be a fornicator. You just meet women and enjoy them. You don't care about who (else) they fornicate with, if they suddenly ask for commitment, if there is some ex showing up again, if they correctly use contraceptives, if they are close in to the wall and want seed+alimony for a baby... or whatever other drama endures when having sex out of wedlock - it doesn't affect me.
 
Kind of difficult to make this post due to the huge amount that can be covered here. Need to keep it to the point because it seems easy to take each idea really far and end up with a really long post.

So I met my friend again on Sunday and this is what I did.

I had a problem which was not knowing how to 'develop' things with this girl where things had suddenly become more interesting. I meet her at this regularish gathering weekly, but there are times I havent been there for months, and I havent always spoken to her when there. Things only developed in the last few weeks.

Modern Culture pretty much dictates that at this point I should be taking her number, meeting her outside and via 'dating' get into a physical relationship as quickly as possible. However, this seemed to pretty shit to me for a number of reasons. My interactions with her so far had been very much confined to this social gathering. Attempting to take the interaction out of that situation so soon would result in an abrupt change in tempo, loss of comfort etc. This would break the natural rythm and pace of our interactions which I think would be bad.

Dating is shit. Fact. Dating in the modern world is terrible and probably the worst way to get to know someone. As I mentioned, there are benefits to applying game in 'natural' social environments, the more natural and low-stress the better.

Dating mostly consists of going to shitty bars, restaurants or other such places to spend time together. The problem is you will be in a high-stress environment with a lot of strange people around, where you dont know anyone else. Both parties will be emotionally closed and just stick to basic topics of conversation and you can only really evaluate someone at the basic level ie looks, basic conversation skills, superficial factoids like jobs, hobbies etc. On a date you will be going somewhere you dont know, ordering from a menu you dont know, it is someones else's joint and at the end you need to pay a bill. You are just a consumer and this is not the best place to come across masculine and in control.

Good bonds rarely develop with someone through this type of thing.Safe, regular, social gatherings allow people to open slowly and each person can be evaluated on may aspects which cannot really be faked like on a date.

So my problem was not knowing how to move things forward. She had volunteered last time that I was her friend, and it meant something to me. I wanted to acknowledge that and not just let it slide idle so I had to figure out some plan to proceed.

I realized what I would do is just give her a gift. So, now instead of my 'goal' being to interact with her and get her number, my goal will be to interact and offer her this gift. I am still acknowledging that I want things to progress but not how she might have expected. I thought I might buy her something like an inexpensive key-ring, or a little teddy bear or something cheap and funny. But then I just saw this little 'tribal' bracelet I had in my room which I had bought from my travels. It was cheap, exotic, and had sentimental value for me.

I didnt care too much whether she liked it or thought it weird. I was happy to offer it and it gave me a plan to work from for the next time I saw her.

So I put it in my pocket, smoked a spliff, and went to our usual gathering place, hoping to she would be there again. She was, but I had to wait a little while to find an opportunity to interact, which came up when I saw her in a group with an open space just to her right. I walked into the group and she turned to say hi. But she got embarrased/nervous while saying hello, and blushed, and then looked down. I should have looked away, and felt bad about making her blush in front of others, but it was too good and I just stared at her red-cheeks from the side, taking in the moment.

Over time I got my chance to talk when it was just me, my friend, and another girl I had briefly interacted with before, a visiting 22 yr old from Canada - pretty, petite, glasses, quiet, but seems nice. From our earlier interactions, I got the impression she felt I was cool, and would enjoy my attention. So it was a good spot for me, the dynamics in my favour.

Our interactions had always been casual, non-personal, political type discussions, so we hadnt ever introduced ourselves as personal friends. So it was important to get that done now. We asked each other questions and it was really good. Turns out she is much smarter than I initially gave her credit for. She is into literature, theatre etc seems very cool and cultured for a young person. She didnt go to Uni, worked for a few years after school and then moved to the UK, which was last year when we met.

I am into Paganism, and know a lot about Classicalism, so it was exciting to find out she was into Hellenism and we talked a bit about that.

We talked about Art stuff in general, not seriously though, and that gave me an opportunity to pull out the bracelet and show it to them. I dont think they loved it but I wanted to introduce it now to gauge their reaction to it. They didnt give much away.

We covered a few topics just to get to know each other quickly, I wanted to move on to more important stuff.

When the topic turned to relationships things began to get interesting. I had taken control of the conversation and was now basically facing more towards the Canadian to my right and speaking to her. My other friend stood in front of me, facing me. My words were meant for my friend but it was more chill to face the other one, speaking indirectly to my real target.

Me: "I think it's better to have sex in the context of having a family. I mean, people just have sex but many women when they get older they have no one. And the sex they had was just wasted. I just dont want to have sex like that"

Her (Jumps in from the side with an objection): "Sex is nothing. People just do it. Hookups, Tinder, FWB etc etc They do it all time. It's nothing"

Me: "I know. Women just use men for Sex"

Her: "They use each other"

Me: "I'm not into that. I know LOTS OF WOMEN my age, 35, they have no one. I wouldnt want to see someone I care about end up like that. If I have sex with someone now for fun, I'm helping her become like these lonely older woman. I'm not into that. Sex has consequences"

Her: "There are no consequences in the modern age. People use protection, it's no big deal. Nothing happens"

Me: "I'm not interested in that. I dont wanna be like these other guys. I dont wanna be compared to them. I want the girl to think I am the best guy. I'm not competing with those guys."

Her (I had forgotten she was there as I was talking at the Canadian expressing my thoughts with little interruption, she jumps in out of nowhere when I said "I want her to think I'm the best, I'm not competing with those guys"):

"I understand now"

I carry on a bit: "If I know a girl, I want it to be good, really good. I want the friendship to be really good" etc. I ramble a bit basically trying to express what I think Love should be without using the word itself. I am talking at the Canadian. My friend jumps in again from the side

"something something love"

I didnt hear what she said, just heard the word "love". I didnt say anything back, just let it hang there. I wasnt going to say the L-word.

That important topic was done and the girls made a little small talk between themselves while I figured my next move...

Me: "So, what do you guys think about Polygamy?"

Her: "oh, I know a girl who's polyamorous, two different children, says she loves both men"

Well, I didnt mean that kind of thing, so I just gave her a blank look. No one said anything.

Me: "I mean Polygamy"
Her: "Yes, but I was talking about Polyamoury"

Me (pointing at the Canadian, talking at my friend): "She's your Friend...you and her are married to the same guy.... You have your friends....and she has her friends...and you can meet her friends...and she can meet your friends...One day you are with him..and she is with her friends...the next day she is with him...and you are with your friends"

Them: (some response, but no strong objection)

Me: I know lots of women my age, 35, and they have no one, it is sad."
Her: Theres not enough good men

I let the statement hang before continuing

Me: "I know lots of girls (repeated to make the point).....I mean...my sister (Canadian nods as tell them I mean my sister instead of a possible romantic partner, but I am ambiguous still)...and her friend, they are 35 and have no one. If my sis had a baby she could have meaning in their lives, grandparents, uncles, nephews, I mean they would have more relations..some meaning in their lives....otherwise they just spend their time with their friends...going on holidays...posting pics in Instagram...I mean I dont mind, they can do what they want....but...I cant respect that"

They nod in understanding.

Me: "I wouldnt mind if my sister was in a polygamous relationship, it would be better than nothing"

I repeat the idea of polygamy, with them two playing the role of wives, still looking for an objection, until I get one.

My friend: "SHE WOULD BE NO FRIEND IF SHE DID THAT"

She said that with some passion/anger and waited for a response. I didnt give one. This is not about winning the argument, turns out it was a test. Her objection puts her ideas of friendship at the front, she wants to see if I will argue with it or respect her personal views about her friendships with other women. Her faked anger is letting me know this is personal, her ideas of friendship, and I'm not gonna step on that.

With that I had basically covered the main things I wanted to discuss so it was basically small-talk until the Canadian left and it was just me and my friend.

Me (Pulls out bracelet from pocket): "This is cool isn't it, do you want it?"
Her: "No thank you"

Me (looking dissapointed): "Oh it's not expensive or anything" (putting it back in my pocket with a defeated look) "It was just at home"

She gives nervous laugh to make me feel better about the rejection.

My job with her is done for the day, I stand in silence for a few seconds before she takes leave.

"I'm gonna go over there"
"Ok...see ya"
"see ya"


It was a pretty intense day, finally the denoument begins and I can start to relax and reflect on what just happened.

I walk around the gathering collecting my thoughts. She didnt take the bracelet and my initial reaction was of disappointment. I recall the guys on RvF telling me this will be nothing. Maybe they were right. I wonder if this is love but it just feels blank. But I know these things take time to unfold. I look if I can see my friend. I wonder what, if anything, she is going through, what she made of it all.

I see some friends standing on the side and walk over to join the conversation. We talk about women and sex, I basically say what I've been saying here. It is all good and we are talking and laughing loudly. There is a big group on my right. I see my friend walk into that group, at the opposite side, facing me. It is great to see her close by. I realize I feel really good. I keep talking to my friends, everything is great, I am amongst friends, my special friend is close by, I think everything will be good. A few mimutes later I look to the right and see my friend has moved across the group so she is now on the near side to me, close by, I can hear her talking to someone, she looks happy and excited. Her behaviour is unusual for her, she rarely is seen talking like that, to those people, at this time. I wonder if she came there to be standing closer to me. I wonder if she loves me? Does she know what just happened? I notice how great it feels to see her close by, her looking so happy, amongst friends. I take in the moment before my friends and I move location to speak others.

Well, that was Sunday and it is Thursday now. I am just about getting over it all. It has been pretty intense going over the events in my head the last few days. So much to anaylse, remember and learn from. I thought of nothing else the last few days.

I go through it all, everything over and over. I am 35 and have done this before. I kind of know what to expect, I know what it is. I dont know what affect this will have on a 20yr old. I worry if it might be too much for her to handle. Yesterday I was afraid, today I feel better.

The sickest interaction I've had with a woman. Everything is well-positioned now. I want to keep her in my life and should be able to slow things down now, and still maintain attraction. I have a lot of time. If I meet a great women I dont want to let her go. And now, we have this.

It unfolds over time, revealing it's true face slowly.
 

VNvet

Kingfisher
mr_ks said:
^ I think you should have just befriended her. Looks like she wanted attention/love (drama). You could have given her the friendship without the drama. It can calm the girls down and make them content enough not to require dick from another man.

No. You can't. Women are always going to be dramatic*.

A man can't really have a true female friend. At least on a level remotely comparable to male-male friendship. This is why male-female friendship has never really existed for any sustained time in known history. And female-female friendship is mostly just gossiping, crying, and backstabbing.

They were designed this way, so it's whatever. There was probably a good reason for it.

*Obviously some are more dramatic/crazy than others, but they're all dramatic/crazy to some degree.

JiggyLordJr said:
Does saying ((Jesus)) count as blasphemy?

Jesus wasn't really a Jew in the ((())) sense of the word. Judaism became a different thing after the Second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Jesus had golden hair, piercing blue eyes, and fair skin anyway.
 

wwtl

Kingfisher
mr_ks said:
Good bonds rarely develop with someone through this type of thing.Safe, regular, social gatherings allow people to open slowly and each person can be evaluated on may aspects which cannot really be faked like on a date.

So my problem was not knowing how to move things forward.

So you are in a social circle context you do not know how move things forward, because you seem to have no things to do. You need to set up shared activities with your girl, which target the primary systems related to bonding:

Digestion: Cooking and eating stuff (number one bonding mechanism)
Emotions: Anything music related (karaoke, singing along records, playing instruments etc.)
Physical: Anything related to physical movement and touch (incl. dancing, table tennis and other indoor sports)
Mind: Anything from playing games (incl. tabletop, local multiplayer video games etc.) to challenging work on interesting topics.

If you are in a social gathering, where this cannot happen, you might have to change it. Just talking about politics won't get you anywhere.

The innocent part of "dating" used be meeting your target at locations enabling you to do these things together, while enjoying each other. But it seems swiping culture killed that all off.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Gold Member
Jesus had golden hair, piercing blue eyes, and fair skin anyway.
Source?

@Roosh: several months after your conversion, how do you feel about finding a woman to settle down with?
Or do you feel more drawn to monastic life?
And if the former... where do you think you'll be looking for candidates? Within the Orthodox community?
 
wwtl said:
Jacob Rast said:
doc holliday said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
N°6 said:
...

Likewise don’t allow the Sparrows and the new Faith Militant in this forum tell you that you don’t need Game in church just because they happened to get married with their Game knowledge pre-2016. Look at a map showing divorce rates in the US. The southern Bible Belt has high rates.

...

See, this is what I'm referring to. We've had a bevy of members claiming that the "New Faith Militant" are denouncing "Game" entirely and calling for men to develop total amnesia on female behaviour. Oddly they never seem to quote any of these calls to blue-pilling on women because literally nobody is saying that.

Game is nothing but repackaged masculine virtue minus the social responsibility that comes with patriarchy. As if the young men of the West are doomed unless they learn how to access dozens and dozens of women as cumdumpsters.

It's proven to be a teenage concept in society riddled with delayed adulthood.

This is one area where I always felt that the so called Manosphere had gone of the rails. This notion that you have to game dozens upon dozens of women into bed in order to learn their true nature and then use this to finally find the woman of your dreams was one that I felt was complete nonsense. There isn't a whole lot good that comes from being highly promiscuous for either men or women and is a big part of the reason that everyone is mentally so screwed up these days. It's impossible to form bonds with anyone when everyone is looking for the next hole or pole to get with. Now we have a generation of dudes and ladies who banged the world and are now more lost than ever.

Game really is just a repackaged, bastardized name for masculine virtue, masculine charm and social gracefulness. The very fact that it had to be taught in it's bastardized form to a whole generation of men by strangers on the internet rather than by just going out and doing it, falling on your face, and eventually figuring it out and learning how to be a man who can meet a quality mate is a sad reality of the modern world today. Too many guys want to hang on to the notion that it's necessary to sleep with 100s of women to become a man when in reality a lot of guys who go down this path end up a broken mess. You need so called "game" to meet and screen for a high quality girl and to keep a marriage, no one is denying that like Leonard stated but too many guys, Roosh included, used it for the wrong purposes.

Great post.

This is one of the great and hidden issues of the modern age. The fact is that a lot of people are essentially sex addicts who have no real control over their urges. It expresses itself most commonly in chronic masturbation and porn addiction, which robs society of tons of creative potential. We essentially live in a country full of addicts who were hooked onto extremely graphic sexual material from a very early age. Couple this with acceptance of greater promiscuity and you get the dysfunction that you see today. Couple that with the fact that the economy is getting way more polarized and housing prices are increasing, and it makes sense that family structures and formation are dying in America. We're in a situation where people in extremely technical white collar jobs are the only ones who can comfortably live anywhere in the country. My perspective is skewed from mostly living in HCOL cities, but pretty much any city with big tech companies is going to steadily increase in price over time.

The manosphere absolutely played a role in facilitating this (not the rent increases but the first bit). Instead of teaching men to step back, reassess what was truly important in life, and focus on themselves, it taught men to seek external validation and fulfillment by having sex with randoms. I'm grateful in that it helped me improve my social skills and build a lot of confidence. And I don't hold any particular guru to blame for this. But it undoubtedly played a negative role in terms of promoting promiscuity and bad overall gender relations.

The one good thing about this situation is that a lot of people seem to be turning away from hookup culture. There is also a ton of pushback against pornography, go on YouTube and you'll find NoFap channels with millions and millions of views. In my own group of friends most of us have cut out porn and have mostly cut out hooking up as well. Society in general is waking up to how badly we've been oversexualized and how unhealthy this view of sexuality is. The fact that a place like this -- formerly dedicated to promiscuity and fornication -- has made a complete 180 is pretty telling. I think we're going to see a lot more examples of the RVF forum shift on a broader societal scale. People are only so stupid. There comes a point where everyone realizes that worshipping sex is a bad thing. I think this point is coming for western civilization very soon.

I've been through this myself. Entering church, getting approached by a much younger Christian chick attracted to my old fornicator vibe, registering on RVF. Then some baptism gets in the way, she catches one-itis, but I - now reborn in Christ - decide to behave like a responsible adult, pleasing God and avoiding drama, ending up with a very disappointed girl (as in 'gina-tingles-unanswered-disappointed).

However exactly that virtuous behavior gained me allies in her closest circle as I recently found out. They just started hinting to her that the next best traditional Christian convert she became very passionate about might be a better option than dating some random fornicator outside Christianity. - I didn't expect that outcome.

Well, turns out young females in an over-sexualized world are still not able to make sound choices. They either have sex right away signing the deal or it doesn't work, leaving them completely confused. The happy gene specimen approaching her prime might still think she failed, because her SMV wasn't high enough and started hitting the gym.

Well, to me it doesn't seem like anyone is geared towards making rational decisions. Making rational decisions in this society is essentially an upstream fight against a lifetime of conditioning. I'm not speaking to your particular situation as I obviously don't know you or the girl. But even for myself, I have to restrain myself from jerking off when I'm bored at home or for hopping on Tinder whenever I go on a business trip. And this is after months of essentially finding god, cutting toxic things out of my life, meditating/exercising daily, and going out of my way to live a healthy lifestyle. More people are doing this, but there are still millions of us who are basically shackled and addicted to hedonism in some form or the other. The last two or three generations have been conditioned since age 10 to view sexuality in a very unhealthy way.

Game to me is ultimately much more than just talking to girls or even getting desirable social outcomes. It's about connecting with the Self (or God) and living life selflessly for the betterment of humanity. Game is the first step for a lot of people. But more and more of us are waking up to the fact that its real value was in showing that we never needed sex or external validation to be whole. And that restraint and spirituality are a million times better for us than porn-esque casual sex ever will be. This is a huge development. If these things get handled for the younger generation, I can't help but think that society will be infinitely healthier and more productive. I'm a younger guy but I cringe when I think of how much time and potential I wasted from ages 12-23 that was spent chasing women or wasting energy through masturbation.

NoFap, responsible sexuality, and spirituality have quite literally transformed my life for the better. It's something that I hope more people can catch on to. I didn't mean to turn this into a NoFap thread. But all of these things are closely related. Compulsive sexuality is seen as a sin in every religion and there's a very good reason why.
 

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Jacob Rast said:
wwtl said:
Jacob Rast said:
doc holliday said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
See, this is what I'm referring to. We've had a bevy of members claiming that the "New Faith Militant" are denouncing "Game" entirely and calling for men to develop total amnesia on female behaviour. Oddly they never seem to quote any of these calls to blue-pilling on women because literally nobody is saying that.

Game is nothing but repackaged masculine virtue minus the social responsibility that comes with patriarchy. As if the young men of the West are doomed unless they learn how to access dozens and dozens of women as cumdumpsters.

It's proven to be a teenage concept in society riddled with delayed adulthood.

This is one area where I always felt that the so called Manosphere had gone of the rails. This notion that you have to game dozens upon dozens of women into bed in order to learn their true nature and then use this to finally find the woman of your dreams was one that I felt was complete nonsense. There isn't a whole lot good that comes from being highly promiscuous for either men or women and is a big part of the reason that everyone is mentally so screwed up these days. It's impossible to form bonds with anyone when everyone is looking for the next hole or pole to get with. Now we have a generation of dudes and ladies who banged the world and are now more lost than ever.

Game really is just a repackaged, bastardized name for masculine virtue, masculine charm and social gracefulness. The very fact that it had to be taught in it's bastardized form to a whole generation of men by strangers on the internet rather than by just going out and doing it, falling on your face, and eventually figuring it out and learning how to be a man who can meet a quality mate is a sad reality of the modern world today. Too many guys want to hang on to the notion that it's necessary to sleep with 100s of women to become a man when in reality a lot of guys who go down this path end up a broken mess. You need so called "game" to meet and screen for a high quality girl and to keep a marriage, no one is denying that like Leonard stated but too many guys, Roosh included, used it for the wrong purposes.

Great post.

This is one of the great and hidden issues of the modern age. The fact is that a lot of people are essentially sex addicts who have no real control over their urges. It expresses itself most commonly in chronic masturbation and porn addiction, which robs society of tons of creative potential. We essentially live in a country full of addicts who were hooked onto extremely graphic sexual material from a very early age. Couple this with acceptance of greater promiscuity and you get the dysfunction that you see today. Couple that with the fact that the economy is getting way more polarized and housing prices are increasing, and it makes sense that family structures and formation are dying in America. We're in a situation where people in extremely technical white collar jobs are the only ones who can comfortably live anywhere in the country. My perspective is skewed from mostly living in HCOL cities, but pretty much any city with big tech companies is going to steadily increase in price over time.

The manosphere absolutely played a role in facilitating this (not the rent increases but the first bit). Instead of teaching men to step back, reassess what was truly important in life, and focus on themselves, it taught men to seek external validation and fulfillment by having sex with randoms. I'm grateful in that it helped me improve my social skills and build a lot of confidence. And I don't hold any particular guru to blame for this. But it undoubtedly played a negative role in terms of promoting promiscuity and bad overall gender relations.

The one good thing about this situation is that a lot of people seem to be turning away from hookup culture. There is also a ton of pushback against pornography, go on YouTube and you'll find NoFap channels with millions and millions of views. In my own group of friends most of us have cut out porn and have mostly cut out hooking up as well. Society in general is waking up to how badly we've been oversexualized and how unhealthy this view of sexuality is. The fact that a place like this -- formerly dedicated to promiscuity and fornication -- has made a complete 180 is pretty telling. I think we're going to see a lot more examples of the RVF forum shift on a broader societal scale. People are only so stupid. There comes a point where everyone realizes that worshipping sex is a bad thing. I think this point is coming for western civilization very soon.

I've been through this myself. Entering church, getting approached by a much younger Christian chick attracted to my old fornicator vibe, registering on RVF. Then some baptism gets in the way, she catches one-itis, but I - now reborn in Christ - decide to behave like a responsible adult, pleasing God and avoiding drama, ending up with a very disappointed girl (as in 'gina-tingles-unanswered-disappointed).

However exactly that virtuous behavior gained me allies in her closest circle as I recently found out. They just started hinting to her that the next best traditional Christian convert she became very passionate about might be a better option than dating some random fornicator outside Christianity. - I didn't expect that outcome.

Well, turns out young females in an over-sexualized world are still not able to make sound choices. They either have sex right away signing the deal or it doesn't work, leaving them completely confused. The happy gene specimen approaching her prime might still think she failed, because her SMV wasn't high enough and started hitting the gym.

Well, to me it doesn't seem like anyone is geared towards making rational decisions. Making rational decisions in this society is essentially an upstream fight against a lifetime of conditioning. I'm not speaking to your particular situation as I obviously don't know you or the girl. But even for myself, I have to restrain myself from jerking off when I'm bored at home or for hopping on Tinder whenever I go on a business trip. And this is after months of essentially finding god, cutting toxic things out of my life, meditating/exercising daily, and going out of my way to live a healthy lifestyle. More people are doing this, but there are still millions of us who are basically shackled and addicted to hedonism in some form or the other. The last two or three generations have been conditioned since age 10 to view sexuality in a very unhealthy way.

Game to me is ultimately much more than just talking to girls or even getting desirable social outcomes. It's about connecting with the Self (or God) and living life selflessly for the betterment of humanity. Game is the first step for a lot of people. But more and more of us are waking up to the fact that its real value was in showing that we never needed sex or external validation to be whole. And that restraint and spirituality are a million times better for us than porn-esque casual sex ever will be. This is a huge development. If these things get handled for the younger generation, I can't help but think that society will be infinitely healthier and more productive. I'm a younger guy but I cringe when I think of how much time and potential I wasted from ages 12-23 that was spent chasing women or wasting energy through masturbation.

NoFap, responsible sexuality, and spirituality have quite literally transformed my life for the better. It's something that I hope more people can catch on to. I didn't mean to turn this into a NoFap thread. But all of these things are closely related. Compulsive sexuality is seen as a sin in every religion and there's a very good reason why.

I'm more than a decade older than you, so responsible behavior is expected from me. I don't get away with things a teenager might get away with.

But cutting out porn, masturbation and fornication was indeed what did it for me as well. This year I have spent so much quality time with women - without constantly thinking about how to get into their panties. But it wasn't about them, because I just joined mixed-gender social activities I enjoyed on their own. So the additional time and money investment for "meeting women" was literally equal to zero.

Ironically the most expensive activity lead to the least return (but did well for self-improvement), while the most bargain venue (church) actually got me the most experience on the "Game" front. There it happened that I did a lot different activities with people without having to go through the effort to set them up myself. Just showing up was enough to get better at being social. And these shared activities also did wonders for some girl's pair-bonding. It is as if the Lord is executing some sophisticated plan at His place without me even noticing it. :mrgreen:
 
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