New rules about black pill and emotional posting

If you all want to pat yourselves on the back and believe some false narrative that banning any contrary discussion to your own viewpoint comes from a place of strength, rather than extreme emotional fragility now that the possibility of suffering under socialism is rearing its head, so be it. True spiritual maturity would embrace with joy the possibility of suffering,

It's about the incessant whining, mocking and nagging. I believe having opposing views is fine on the condition of those views not being blackpilled.

See you in the breadline, brothe... I mean comrade!
 

Pendleton

Pelican
If you all want to pat yourselves on the back and believe some false narrative that banning any contrary discussion to your own viewpoint comes from a place of strength, rather than extreme emotional fragility now that the possibility of suffering under socialism is rearing its head, so be it.
Is it really that hard to distinguish between blackpilling and substantive discussion? Roosh's examples seem to make the difference clear. This seems like you merely wanted to look down your nose and rant off some complaints so you pasted them here regardless of their irrelevance to the topic.
 

andy dufresne

Kingfisher
I'm sorry but this just reeks of moral censorship and snowflakeism which is something we've all come here to avoid. I get we don't want to go doom and gloom but this really is nothing more than what twitter/facebook are doing.

Kick me off for this but that's where I stand.
 
I respect your decision, and agree being overly negative is unhealthy.

I do wish to express a couple of thoughts which may be considered blackpill, though. If this is the consensus I will refrain from sharing them here. I would also greatly appreciate any counter points I can ponder to become more positive in my outlook.

The Holy Bible explicitly states as a Christian in this life you will be hated and persecuted. It states to reject this world, and says simply to endure until the end. Does Genesis not state we are cursed due to the actions of Adam and Eve? Until we die, or if Jesus returns during our life, my understanding is we should expect things to be pretty bad. Of course the Good News is Jesus Christ has saved us, and one day will return so not all is lost. However, that good news is not for this life. We are told to simply endure until the end.

Is this not a corrupt, fallen world ruled by Satan? Was John the Baptist not imprisoned and beheaded? The Bible is filled with stories of Christians being jailed, fed to lions, and other assorted atrocities. Obviously we all know Jesus himself was tortured and crucified.

The Bible states the end times will be nightmarish. I don't know if the end is nigh, but I pray that they are. My eyes and ears are telling me things are getting worse. I do not love the world, and I don't think they'll ever get better until Jesus returns.

That all sounds pretty blackpill to me, but am I wrong? Is this not what is stated in the Bible? Are we not in living in a sick world where vile, depraved people revel in their sin?

As I stated before, I know God loves us. I know Jesus died so we could be saved. I have faith, and thank God everyday for my blessings. One should not dwell on the negative I agree. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

But in my possibly (probably) misguided opinion a Christian viewpoint on this world should inherently be blackpill with the caveat that eventually things will get better. But until the return of Jesus Christ himself there is nothing to do but endure life struggling against our sinful nature in a horrid, fallen world.

I ask if I am misguided to please help me look at things appropriately. I will continue to pray God Almighty will give me understanding if it is his will.

Thank you.

This is an interesting take on Christian scriptures. Some Christian denominations might agree with such a take, though most will not in my estimation.

I am not well versed in the Bible so my attempts at giving a theologically grounded answer will be flawed, but philosophically speaking, the black pill to me is not compatible with Christianity due to its emphasis of Nihilism, and Nihilism in turn is too close to the message of the anti-Christ, as in, a rejection of the godly order.
Suffering in the Christian understanding is a result of man's banishment from the garden of Eden, whereas suffering in what is known as the black pill comes across to me as the result of nothing, for the sake of nothing. In other words, suffering in the Christian context has a clear reason and purpose, whereas in the black pill, suffering seems to be for no reason.

Life might be described as suffering in the Bible, and yet at the same time, life as a gift from god is holy. In this context, suffering of man is part of the godly order, and the rejection of suffering, eg through sloth, means a rejection of god's gift of life. The black pill might communicate to its audience that because things are bad and always will be, your individual actions in response to the difficulties you are presented with do not matter, anything you do is inconsequential and will not lead to any improvement. The deadly sin of sloth is therefore embraced, whereas in Christianity, man's diligent labour on god's soil is part of the divine order and his path to heaven, and therefore has meaning.
Suffering for a reason, for example the reason of appreciating the gift of life, means walking the path to heaven, whereas suffering without reason means descending the path to hell. The black pill seems to communicate the latter to me.

Being a Christian to me means rejecting Nihilism, not rejecting suffering. In Christianity, suffering is life, in Nihilism, suffering is death.
 

ginsu

Woodpecker
I'm sorry but this just reeks of moral censorship and snowflakeism which is something we've all come here to avoid. I get we don't want to go doom and gloom but this really is nothing more than what twitter/facebook are doing.

Kick me off for this but that's where I stand.

The reaction to automatically jump to arms when something resembles censorship is understandable. But its not the same as twitter and fb. If you read roosh's opening post i think its pretty clear because he explained it extremely well.

Blackpilling is being excessively and disagreeably pessimistic, and it doesn't provide any value its just a drain. This extreme negativity is disguised as spreading ''truth''. But the real truth is not black or white its a combination of both.

So repeatedly posting something that communicates on an emotional level that all is lost is the same as spreading misinformation and lies. Black pilling also becomes part of someones ego/identity and if its not pushed back against it can turn into a black hole that just keep sucking in more and more and a perverse pleasure can be derived from that state. Just like the victim complex of the left.

People commit suicide over going to deep into blackpill so i think its the right move to call it out.

Blackpill truth, its just pessimism wrapped in a layer of truth.
Hard truth will never be censored that's just objective information and can be interpreted in many ways for each person. But blackpilling is taking the truth and spinning it in such a way that you the reader can't interpret it in any other way than the most negative one.
 
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andy dufresne

Kingfisher
The reaction to automatically jump to arms when something resembles censorship is understandable. But its not the same as twitter and fb. If you read roosh's opening post i think its pretty clear because he explained it extremely well.

Blackpilling is being excessively and disagreeably pessimistic, and it doesn't provide any value its just a drain. This extreme negativity is disguised as spreading ''truth''. But the real truth is not black and white its a combination of both.

So repeatedly posting something that communicates on an emotional level that all is lost is the same as spreading misinformation and lies. Black pilling also becomes part of someones ego/identity and if its not pushed back against it can turn into a black hole that just keep sucking in more and more and a perverse pleasure can be derived from that state. Just like the victim complex of the left.

People commit suicide over going to deep into blackpill so i think its the right move to call it out.

Blackpill truth, its just pessimism wrapped in a layer of truth.
Hard truth will never be censored that's just objective information and can be interpreted in many ways for each person. But blackpilling is taking the truth and spinning it in such a way that you the reader can't interpret it in any other way than the most negative one.

I kinda disagree. I've 'blackpilled' all MSM. And by doing so I've freed myself from it's clutches. I think there are many good things to 'Black Pill'....most importantly the American political system.

Now I'm not talking spiritual nihilism....that is the way to darkness and that is the 'black pill' the media/society and the current rulers of the world want us to take.

In many ways I've found black pilling certain things removes them from your mind and opens you up to more important things in life and takes you to a higher level of spirituality.
 

FactusIRX

Kingfisher
One thing I like about walking with Christ is that he doesn't let you delude yourself with falsehoods and constantly reveals to you the truth behind your actions.

If you all want to pat yourselves on the back and believe some false narrative that banning any contrary discussion to your own viewpoint comes from a place of strength, rather than extreme emotional fragility now that the possibility of suffering under socialism is rearing its head, so be it. True spiritual maturity would embrace with joy the possibility of suffering, but the manosphere taught men to be psychosexually and psychologically immature, so rather than walk the Golden Mean in Christ, the only place it can really end up in is, sadly, religious fundamentalism: some weird mixture of Traditionalist Religion Larping - with Trump, not Christ, as your Saviour, despite Jesus' repeated warnings about putting your faith in the Princes of the World, particularly one who, unlike the Pope, is on the public record as supporting gay marriage, has packed his administration with jews and sodomites, continued the massacre of Syrian Christians, and whose own daughter prayed to a Jewish antichrist on the eve of the election, and whose particular religion requires the destruction of America to set the stage for their Messiah - the AntiChrist - who they believe is on the verge of a return.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/45...lgrimage-to-lubavitcher-rebbes-grave-praying/

All of this means a Billionaire is somehow 'chosen by God'.

Sorry, but you're all crazy, and anyone with a serious interest in God needs to stay very, very far away from this place.
Since the election, I shut out all politics. My life has improved. Politics is a cancer. It's like pornography. It corrupts your soul. It leads you to despair, anger, envy, and violence. It will take you away from God.

Christianity is not a revolutionary religion. It does not matter whether our earthly rulers are friendly or destructive. If they cause you to suffer, then so be it, suffer. God sent his only son to suffer and die, so why are we so special?

Life as a Christian is full of hope, love, charity, and contrition. It is a beautiful life.

God Bless, AnonymousBosch.
 

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
This is the correct path. I made a post before the election advising as much, and received a warning for it. Politics is a black hole. Democracy is rule by the media, and our media is a den of wolves. There are no viable leaders in either of the two political parties. Any time a halfway decent person along the lines of a Ron Paul or a Tulsi Gabbard enters the arena, they are demonized in coordinated attacks. I hope those that exerted so much emotional energy into the Trump administration, only to see things continue much as they would have under Barack Obama or Hilary or whatever your "nightmare administration" is, will see that for all that expenditure, we get no return.

When is politics viable? If we are talking organizing for a real solution. In the USA, that means either convincing a majority of the voting public to do a 180 on the attitudes and norms which they currently hold, or building some sort of local enclave, or secession, or private "governance". But it does not mean advocating for mass Republican or Democratic leaders.

Take a look at the bullet points from this study.

Multivariate analysis from 1981 to 2002 indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence.

The opinion of the voters has ZERO correlation to political outcome.

In other words, even if every candidate you love is voted into office, they will not do what you want them to. Until the American system of government changes, talking about politics, rooting for candidates, or investing your time and money into this is an emotional black hole that keeps you from a productive life.

Note that the study period ended 20 years ago. This is before W, or Obama, or Trump, all periods where I have only seen governance in the US further recede. As Mark Twain said, if voting did anything it would be illegal. Pay some attention to government if you like, but please do not waste time in politics.
 
This is the correct path. I made a post before the election advising as much, and received a warning for it. Politics is a black hole. Democracy is rule by the media, and our media is a den of wolves. There are no viable leaders in either of the two political parties. Any time a halfway decent person along the lines of a Ron Paul or a Tulsi Gabbard enters the arena, they are demonized in coordinated attacks. I hope those that exerted so much emotional energy into the Trump administration, only to see things continue much as they would have under Barack Obama or Hilary or whatever your "nightmare administration" is, will see that for all that expenditure, we get no return.

When is politics viable? If we are talking organizing for a real solution. In the USA, that means either convincing a majority of the voting public to do a 180 on the attitudes and norms which they currently hold, or building some sort of local enclave, or secession, or private "governance". But it does not mean advocating for mass Republican or Democratic leaders.

Take a look at the bullet points from this study.



The opinion of the voters has ZERO correlation to political outcome.

In other words, even if every candidate you love is voted into office, they will not do what you want them to. Until the American system of government changes, talking about politics, rooting for candidates, or investing your time and money into this is an emotional black hole that keeps you from a productive life.

Note that the study period ended 20 years ago. This is before W, or Obama, or Trump, all periods where I have only seen governance in the US further recede. As Mark Twain said, if voting did anything it would be illegal. Pay some attention to government if you like, but please do not waste time in politics.
I have often been thinking this myself. In the past, I have often thought that Communism/Socialism were great theories of government (on paper), but they can never work in practice. Perhaps naively, I thought that Democracy/Republicanism somehow transcended these other forms of government in practice and formed the best you can get in terms of human government on earth. In some ways I still believe that to be true, but I am also starting to think that my first mistake was believing that you could get a "near perfect" or "ideal" form of human government.

It seems radical for an American to say that Democracy is a failure like the rest, but when you realize that the outcome (people you did not choose with power asserting their rule over you without your say) seems to be nearly the same, it makes one ask if we are really any different from empires of old, kings, dictators, -isms of all kind.

Do people have to come together to form and make decisions about the greater good of their communities? Sure, thus it seems that government will always be necessary in some form no matter how imperfect. I don't know if there is a thread on here discussing this in greater detail, but I saw your post and wanted to strike up the discussion. I also intend to read that study you posted.
 
Its a difficult concept to try and see a viewpoint from a belief system that is alien to yours. It may be what is at the crux of the debate or discussion on black pilling versus censorship. When someone explains their idea from a different belief system then it is easy to dismiss it especially if you feel that belief system is wrong. It takes another level of inspection to connect the dots from a belief system you don't share. When you do that you realize that human beings have a lot more in common than we realize. Alass usually what we do is just label the other opinion as ignorant, unintelligent, or any other words that would allow us to easily dismiss the idea. By the way, this is not my original account, that one got banned because of a discussion about bad optics. I believe that most of you have a lot more in common than you have different, and if you continue to argue over smaller issues without delving into the bigger common ground you will fracture.
 

Perolroosh

Chicken
Woman
Understood. I didn't know it was called this, but I also personally don't like negative posts as I often think about them even after I leave the forum.
 
Jeremiah 17:5-8

5This is what the LORD says:
“Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind,

who makes the flesh his strength

and turns his heart from the LORD.

6He will be like a shrub in the desert;

he will not see when prosperity comes.

He will dwell in the parched places of the desert,

in a salt land where no one lives.

7But blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD,

whose confidence is in Him.

8He is like a tree planted by the waters

that sends out its roots toward the stream.

It does not fear when the heat comes,

and its leaves are always green.

It does not worry in a year of drought,

nor does it cease to produce fruit.

9The heart is deceitful above all things

and beyond cure.

Who can understand it?

10I, the LORD, search the heart;

I examine the mind

to reward a man according to his way,

by what his deeds deserve.

11Like a partridge hatching eggs it did not lay

is the man who makes a fortune unjustly.

In the middle of his days his riches will desert him,

and in the end he will be the fool.”


 
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