NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum

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This Is Trouble

Kingfisher
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This place has changed thousands of lives.

Men in the West are still better off learning these skills and then adapting them to other parts of the world.

Hoping they go to church and figure it out is unrealistic.

Sometimes you have to walk the path of darkness to find the light, much like you have.
 
Too heavy handed of a change in my opinion. Roosh, would your early twenties self obey the orders of your older wiser self of now? I think not, mostly you will drive people away who would otherwise have listened with a more steady reasoned approach. Bans and hardline rules will just create an echo chamber of those already agree with you. Plenty of times my opinion of a subject has been completely turned or informed in a completely new way by a post that's nearly 5 paragraphs long by the many quality posters on here.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
HermeticAlly said:
Roosh, huge kudos for making changes based on moral convictions. That's a huge step and one that I would honestly find hard to implement if I was in your position; this will undoubtedly alienate and drive off a lot of fans, but I'm 100% with you on this.

What about existing threads here and in the Game forum that have pornographic images spread throughout? For years I've found this forum an incredibly valuable resource for many reasons, but I've always felt extremely conflicted about whether I should hang around here or not because of the temptation that these offer. Will threads like "What do you consider a 10?" or "The Boobs Lounge" be closed, or completely deleted?

The line will be drawn gradually. It may take months to establish it. I will start with the more blatant material first.

yeppels said:
On one hand, this is your private space and you are free to do whatever you want with it.

On the other, you've personally dealt with censorship of your ideas and content, and other similar ideas and content of the manosphere/red pill/whatever you call them internet communities, for leftist "moral" reasons, which obviously differ vastly from yours, and as a result brought this forum closer together over dislike of (leftist) attempts of censorship and narrative control. Unfortunately, I see this as a different face of the same coin, where based on "morals", certain content is heretical/unfavorable, and censorship is the chosen path.

Again, your space, your rules, but considering this place has been a self-proclaimed bastion of truth and free speech that is not permitted elsewhere, I find it highly ironic.

Fornication itself is not the truth, though it can be an expensive way to bring out about the truth. I'm not telling you how to live and I am not your judge. You are free to create other forums where you can discuss what you want.

orythedog said:
Some questions:

2.Is the purpose of this post meant to satisfy the masses that seek to restrict or otherwise shut down this forum?
3.How will this change the format and content of your upcoming tour?
4. How is this conguent with your ideas of free speech?

2. I don't care about the masses or the world. This is about pleasing God. It's a sin to lead other men to sin, which I have been doing.
3. It will not glorify fornication or other sins.
4. My forum is not a natural monopoly, institution, or government that creates speech laws. I'm not limiting your ability to exercise your free speech outside the forum, but this forum is my house and you are a guest in it.

Shinebox said:
Are you deleting all your blog posts and having a bonfire with your old books? As you wish, but this forum (as constructed) is finished.

I may delete blog posts. I have taken 11 books out of print so far.

https://www.rooshvstore.com/out-of-print/

I can only do what is right. Any specific outcome is out of my hands.
 
Everything is coming full circle. And Roosh/RVF is at the forefront.

You saw it here first. "2019 is when it all started..."
 

questor70

Ostrich
Shinebox said:
Are you deleting all your blog posts and having a bonfire with your old books? As you wish, but this forum (as constructed) is finished.

Not unexpected, and this does signal the end of an era.

I respect his courage in being willing to walk away from the empire he built knowing that only a subset of his followers will want to pivot over. I think it's going to be very difficult for the existing membership to turn on a dime like this. Most will probably attempt to carry on as before either out of ignorance or defiance of the new rules and face the ban-hammer.

I always appreciated the locker-room talk as there are too few places left where it's possible to do that without being shamed for political incorrectness. Take that away and I fear it's going to feel rather dull.
 
The shrooms got to you good éy :D

Unrequested advice: also change the skin and lay out of the forum when you enforce these new rules!
 

saner

Sparrow
Wow.

Your house, your rules. But this makes Rooshforum kind of like non-alcoholic beer. Or a sex-free brothel.

I have no use for but nothing against religion. Mainly I just don't like the sanctimonious attitude it tends to draw out in believers.

Without trying to be an ass and with seriousness,

Roosh,
I have not read much about this massive change in your spirituality so please take this as an honest concern (if ignorant).... Have you considered that this change may be due to a physical change or ailment? One of my friends had sudden and severe personality changes about 15 years ago that left many of us wondering what the cause was. It turns out it was a brain tumor. He survived but was never the same person.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Kaii said:
As a non-Christian, I can't say I really understand. However, this forum has been invaluable to me and I respect Roosh's choice even if I don't understand it.

There are plenty of great people on this forum, I am not really worried this change will have that much impact to the quality of postings/posters.

Correct, for a non believer, my behavior can be seen as odd, crazy, or deranged. To a believer, especially a priest, it's rational and on the correct path. I knew once I started on this path that I would lose many men. You can already see it from the comments on this thread. Those who loved me for providing resources and platforms for them to gain casual sex will likely come to hate me.

Laner said:
I think you are failing to give other men the same opportunity to find God as you did. Not everyone can find faith by isolating the evil and protecting them from it.

Personally, I think you will lead more men to faith through your leadership than by censoring many of the things that brought us all together in the first place. If I don't agree with a thread, I don't click on it. If I don't like a post by someone, I ignore it. If I don't like a certain poster, I don't read his posts.

I wish you the best on your journey of faith, but this is not the way to help the struggle than men are facing in this day.

It's not about censorship or controlling what other men read. Most of my friends are professional fornicators and I don't try to change their mind. This change is about my own salvation and relationship with God. You simply cannot lead another men to sin. The scripture is clear on that.
 

BlastbeatCasanova

Kingfisher
Nothing but respect for you, Roosh, but I agree with other posters that this move seems a bit heavy handed and brings the word “censorship” to mind.

A lot of guys go down the path of fornication and carnal pleasure to come out on the other side as better men seeking truth. It’s crazy that in our sex-crazed society this place and the knowledge you put together could be the healthiest way for a man to explore his sexuality and learn the dynamics of dealing with women.

It’s your forum and this won’t change my respect for you but I hope you’ll mull it over a bit. Maybe there is a way to meet in the middle instead of deleting threads and banning certain topics
 
Divorce is a sin, better delete all those threads on it.
Usury is a sin, better scroll the investment threads and delete anything about bonds.
Race-mixing is a sin according to many Christian groups, better delete anything about that.
Pride is a sin, perhaps the forum shouldn't be named after you and have a logo of your face.
Vanity is a sin so you shouldn't dye your grey hairs, nor lift weights. Infact, having expensive clothes is vanity, so go delete all those threads as well.

The list goes on...
 
This feels like an ex prostitute turning 29, joining Tinder and saying she's looking to get married. Not sure it's possible to turn this forum around when the past is already etched onto the internet. IMO the only way this can work would be to start a new forum and close this one down (which would be shame because this forum is a good resource).
 

Beyond Borders

Peacock
Gold Member
I'm not going to judge Roosh for making a moral decision.

That takes a lot of courage with so many thousands of men looking up to and counting on you, and in a situation like that, no doubt it's no easy decision.

And I respect him for standing for what he believes in.

I have over 7,000 posts on this forum, many which were debacherous, sure, but many others in which I did my best to lead men back towards ethics when nihlism seemed more "rational."

If all my posts were gone tomorrow, I'll still be the same man I am today. The forum does not define me, even if in some ways I'm a changed man for our time here together.

The most important thing, though, is this: I've met and read so many great men from this forum who I'd like to keep in touch with.

RVF is going to change, no doubt about it, and who knows where this thing will lead...

So feel free to pm me your details if you want be sure to stay in touch - maybe something more organized will arise in time.

I'm not going anywhere. But just in case.

Meanwhile it'll be interesting to see where this thing goes.

Life is change. If you thought this platform would exist forever, as is, you have some growing up to do.

This forum was a unique "place" in a unique time. Dare I say special in its own way.

Let's see what comes next.
 

This Is Trouble

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Roosh said:
Kaii said:
As a non-Christian, I can't say I really understand. However, this forum has been invaluable to me and I respect Roosh's choice even if I don't understand it.

There are plenty of great people on this forum, I am not really worried this change will have that much impact to the quality of postings/posters.

Correct, for a non believer, my behavior can be seen as odd, crazy, or deranged. To a believer, especially a priest, it's rational and on the correct path. I knew once I started on this path that I would lose many men. You can already see it from the comments on this thread. Those who loved me for providing resources and platforms for them to gain casual sex will likely come to hate me.

Yes, you are going to lose a lot. But you know this.

Everything comes full circle.

Take you, for example. You've gone from fornicating casually, and often, towards your current path of spirituality. It's come full circle.

Take myself, for example. If you hadn't given me a shot to write at ROK a few years ago, I wouldn't have built my business, been able to move out of the degeneracy of the west, and be able to maintain a solid LTR for 3+ years. But, make no doubt about it, I *had* to go through the crazy years in order to be able to sit where I am today. It's come full circle.

I understand the spirituality thing, however, the world has changed faster in the last decade than ever before - at a multiple many times over. At some point, religious teachings are going to have to be modified and adapted to the modern time.

I would understand gradually beginning a shift and gradually applying some new rules and standards. I'd say that longer-term relationship discussions are much more common and accepted here than say, 2015.

There aren't many places that men can learn the skills needed to survive in today's modern world.

This drastic of a change seems like it is going to rob many men of their own chance to come full circle.

That's my $0.02, and obviously I hope that things work out and you find peace.
 

heavy

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I don't mind these new rules. But I'm not too much younger than Roosh, so I don't chase kittens quite like I once did.

(is 'kittens' ok to say :))

travolta said:
This feels like an ex prostitute turning 29, joining Tinder and saying she's looking to get married.
...

Yes, getting older is a bit like this. Guys usually hit this stage more slowly and at a later age than women. Some people hit it younger, some never hit it.

In Roosh's case, he hit this point quickly (perhaps in part due to his sister's passing) around the age of 40.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Edit: I should add, this is (was?) a very unique forum. Other similar pickup forums always seemed sleazy to me. This forum seemed to have a certain level of respect for HBs, and RVF offers a wide variety of other topics men like to discuss. I said I don't mind the new rules, but if I had my way, I would simply let the forum continue to morph of its own volition. Alpone (post below) states it well regarding a spiritual journey.
 

eradicator

Peacock
Gold Member
Are we still going to be able say “would bang” ?

It’s your forum, as another atheist, I don’t really get it either but you have to do what’s right for you, Roosh
 

Alpone

Woodpecker
I respect Roosh's decision as it is his platform, but I disagree with it. I've no doubt Roosh has had a spiritual change, but I think the ulterior motive is to avoid further de-platforming in the metoo era.

Also, a spiritual journey is a very personal, individual thing that can only be experienced first hand. If 2019 Roosh came at 2009 Roosh and tried to explain all the things he's learned in 10 years, it would fall on deaf ears. Proselytizing only works when the student is ready to meet the teacher.

In a black sea of pornography, pay to play black holes, beta bucks, online dating site hambeasts, autism and leftist sexual degeneracy, this forum helped a lot of guys meet, interact and have sex with women in the healthiest way possible given the current cultural climate. Sex is a biological need, and just because some people take their journey for sex way too far doesn't mean hooking up occasionally can't help a guy get back on his feet, gain some confidence and help him in other areas of his life.

Sex with attractive women whose attention he has earned honestly using his skills as a man is one of the best ways to improve a man's life - given he doesn't make sex and women his mission in life. It's a big part of men's self-improvement and will be a big loss to the forum.
 
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