New York City, San Fran, Seatle are failed states

Hypno

Hypno

Crow
The irony is that the Left's crazy policies are hurting them the most.

NYC is a ghost town. They are proposing a $3 surtax on package deliveries to fund transit. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...d-mta/2767045/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

Even Goldman Sachs is moving to Florida.

Oracle is leaving San Francisco for Austin. The literally crap on the streets wasn't bad enough, but apparrently they are paying too much to their workers and in taxes.

Police have resigned in huge numbers in Minneapolis, Seattle, and Portland, and crime has sky rocketed.

Key Opinion leaders who have left are Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, and James Altucher.

Almost all of the young, high earners in finfance and tech are working remote.
 
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STG

STG

Woodpecker
Leftism is destroying civilization.

Leftist ideals are contrary to the most basic elements of Western Civilization.

Look at the history of Leftism and what has happened to countries. This is just a small example:

Rhodesia to Zimbabwe. Rhodesia brought civilization to a primitive land. Law and order, modern medicines, the end of tribal warfare, the introduction of modern agriculture led to the largest boom in native populations known at that time.

Approaching 100 years of a booming economy, population, high standard of living, the leftists inside and outside of Rhodesia decided the Rhodesian civilization was "racist" and needed to be overturned. Never mind that at the time, Rhodesia had more black millionaires then the United States and had no formal segregation such as the Jim Crow laws in the U.S. Blacks in Rhodesia had the highest standard of living except for maybe South Africa at the time.

Leftists, with their ideals ran on emotion instead of observable facts, worked to destroy Rhodesia. When Rhodesia fell to Black Nationalism and Communism, the leftists abandoned ship and fled to South Africa, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. They brought their political ideas with them.

South Africa was the next to fall to leftism. The Leftists focused their attention on South Africa, decrying the Apartheid system that allowed for civilization to prosper, bringing the standard of living up in a part of Africa that could compete with European countries. South Africa fell, and the leftists for the most part fled that country and went to Canada, U.S., Australia, and New Zealand.

South Africa is now in a bad state for people of all races.

The leftist ideals are now present in New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the U.K., and others. These places that are island nations are better off in the present not because their political ideology is superior to Rhodesia's or old South Africa's, but because being island nations they do not need to deal with a large third world population.

If Australia and New Zealand had to deal with a large native population they would have collapsed long ago. Instead, the political elite sits in their ivory towers telling other people how to live with such grand liberal ideals while they themselves live on an island with a mostly European population.

The U.K. was mostly insulated from the leftist ideology because it also is an island protected from the third world, until recently. The U.K. today has the same problems as nations that shared borders or had high third worlder populations as they brought them in.

Now the U.S. is having its crisis with demographics (we just had a third world Banana Republic style election) and where will the leftists run to now? I believe Canada is better off then the U.S. as of right now, but for how long? The wealthy leftists are leaving the U.S. and going to New Zealand, Ireland, etc.

New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, and all the other nation islands that have been protected from the damages of leftist ideology simply because of being an island are next on the chopping block.

Soon there will be nowhere for the leftists to run and they still won't understand the damages they have caused.

This same process can be observed on a more local level by looking at the U.S. States.

Colorado went from being a rural, conservative, ranching mountain state to California East. The leftist Californians suffering from their own politics fled California to live in Colorado. 30 years later, Colorado is California East with all the ills that come with it.

Californians did the same to Oregon, Washington state, and now they are going to Idaho and Montana. Look up the housing boom for Idaho and Montana and you can see the leftists fleeing their utopia. Are they tired of living in their California utopia and looking to change their ways? I would like to think so, but history says otherwise....
 
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Diocletian

Woodpecker
Catholic
Hypno said:
The irony is that the Left's crazy policies are hurting them the most.

NYC is a ghost town. They are proposing a $3 surtax on package deliveries to fund transit. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...d-mta/2767045/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

Even Goldman Sachs is moving to Florida.

Oracle is leaving San Francisco for Austin. The literally crap on the streets wasn't bad enough, but apparrently they are paying too much to their workers and in taxes.

Police have resigned in huge numbers in Minneapolis, Seattle, and Portland, and crime has sky rocketed.

Key Opinion leaders who have left are Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, and James Altucher.

Almost all of the young, high earners in finfance and tech are working remote.
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Its really sad to see what happened to California. I grew up in SoCal, in the 80s and 90s it was still a decent place to live. So many non-leftist people left Orange County (OC is full of cuckservatives so I have trouble calling it right-wing) that it finally turned Democrat for the 2016 election. If you're not familiar with OC, it was famous for being a non-liberal bastion in SoCal for decades.

I left a while ago, but I was still shocked to see this video from about three years ago. Somebody is filming a bike ride along the Santa Ana River bike trail; for reference, the big tower-like structure on the right at about 0:46 is The Big A, which is a tower in front of Anaheim Stadium where the Angels play. This is just south of Disneyland; the whole area is really well-off with lots of expensive homes and high-end businesses. The second video is of a homeless encampment in roughly the same area.

On a side note, people where I live now who don't know anything about SoCal are always amazed when I tell them that Skid Row is only about 10 miles down the freeway from Beverly Hills. BH is full of sanctimonious actors and jackasses (but I repeat myself) who all claim to be against oppression and whatnot, but in my time living in SoCal you never heard a peep about those idiots lifting a finger to help the destitute in their own backyard.







 
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Diocletian

Woodpecker
Catholic
STG said:
Colorado went from being a rural, conservative, ranching mountain state to California East. The leftist Californians suffering from their own politics fled California to live in Colorado. 30 years later, Colorado is California East with all the ills that come with it.
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Colorado is becoming similar to California in the sense that there are distinct political differences in certain parts of each state. California is hyper-liberal in the wealthy heavily populated areas like San Francisco and Los Angeles, which is where the real power is, but in the rural inland agricultural and desert areas it is pretty conservative. Something similar is happening to Colorado where the rural areas remain conservative, but the heavily populated areas like Denver--where the power is--are becoming very liberal.
 
Coja Petrus Uscan

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
It will be interesting to see where we are standing this time next year.

I posted in another thread, there have been large surges in search terms for things like [homeschooling] and [move state]. Apparently there has been sustained buying in suburbs. Places like Detroit, Baltimore, Milwaukee, St. Louis were gutted in a few decades of largely white and middle class flight.

The same is now happening in Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco and others are no all following at different paces and different spins.

Republicans can make good, stable places to live, with passable finances, replacement population, some real sense of community and belonging. The left are hounding them from their cities, which can only collapse in on known fails.

In thirty years these once leading cities like LA, San Francisco and so on will be burnt-out, just like Detroit and Baltimore, though the exact nature of that will probably differ, as these places will probably have much larger numbers of the deranged of all stripes.

I also expect to see some major globo- companies, like Google, Facebook etc. to either be gone or much reduced. There is big turnover in which companies are in the top 10, 50, 100 of market cap. There is big turnover even from 25 years ago.

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Hopefully we will see decentralised oganisations reduce them. Even if decentralised organisations do go evil, at least you will actually own your stakes in them, while these lot want to take us to a world of owning nothing, but borrowing crumbs from their table.
 
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skullmask

Woodpecker
Protestant
Diocletian said:
Its really sad to see what happened to California. I grew up in SoCal, in the 80s and 90s it was still a decent place to live. So many non-leftist people left Orange County (OC is full of cuckservatives so I have trouble calling it right-wing) that it finally turned Democrat for the 2016 election. If you're not familiar with OC, it was famous for being a non-liberal bastion in SoCal for decades.
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I grew up north of Sac in the 90s and early aughts. Ended up leaving because things went to crap in the Great Recession and couldn't get a decent paying job. I will never forgive the lib-turds for what they did to my state.
 
STG

STG

Woodpecker
Diocletian said:
Colorado is becoming similar to California in the sense that there are distinct political differences in certain parts of each state. California is hyper-liberal in the wealthy heavily populated areas like San Francisco and Los Angeles, which is where the real power is, but in the rural inland agricultural and desert areas it is pretty conservative. Something similar is happening to Colorado where the rural areas remain conservative, but the heavily populated areas like Denver--where the power is--are becoming very liberal.
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Tyranny of the majority unfortunately is common in many states. The states need their own electoral college system so the cities cannot decide the elections for the entire state.

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Towgunner

Kingfisher
When I pan out and look at the full picture I find myself being oddly optimistic even though much of my analysis is negative. Because this "system" or whatever it is, is doomed. Its doomed through and through. You can't spend endless amounts of money, issue endless amounts of debt and give away endless amounts of stuff.

When the NASDAQ exchange mandates the composition of board members for its publicly listed companies this is both an act of authoritarianism and its removing merit from the equation. Never mind the first item, removing merit from the equation when it comes to a commercial enterprise is absurd. It weakens the competitiveness of said organization, which left unchecked, is catastrophic. You cannot expect an organization to thrive, much less, survive under such conditions. We can expect nothing less when this is applied to our entire society writ large.

The boldest evidence of this systematic failure of the left and all it trappings is the failure of their coveted cities, such as the aforementioned, SFO, NY and Seattle. These cities are nothing less than a symbol for leftism. They are the full manifestation of all the political, economic and cultural ideas espoused by the left and look at them. I honestly feel like diblassio (not his real name) is actually trying to ruin his own city, because, everything he's doing points to exactly that. Or is diblassio only following his own leftist policies to their "logical" end-point.

Recently, the "new yorker", some irrelevant magazine that is clinging to its former popularity, displayed on their front page their "ideal". A single, lonely, unkept, dirty, smelly, filthy "woman". She had "no man" and had obtained her "full self", which was a shoe box apartment overtaken by amazon boxes, empty wine bottles, cat hair and liter, half finished takeout, dishes stacked in the sink...you can't even make this up. No family, no man, no friends even, just an atomized carbon based unit. Miserable, but, that is what "they" say is progress. Outside bodegas are boarded up, there are roaming bands of looters, its dangerous, unsanitary. The air is difficult to breath. Etc etc etc. This is the product of leftism.

Right now, optimism seems to be hard to muster and rightfully so, Trump won this election by a landslide, and it was stolen from him. Therefore, we can only expect more leftism. That's not good, in fact, that's terrible. But, more leftism will only lead to failure. Need evidence, look at SFO, NY and Seattle. Try getting a uHaul truck in SFO right now. Its either not available or priced at stupid levels. If leftism and gay and all the rest is truly "progress" than why are people moving out at break neck speed?
 
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Mario Hezonja

Chicken
Diocletian said:
Colorado is becoming similar to California in the sense that there are distinct political differences in certain parts of each state. California is hyper-liberal in the wealthy heavily populated areas like San Francisco and Los Angeles, which is where the real power is, but in the rural inland agricultural and desert areas it is pretty conservative. Something similar is happening to Colorado where the rural areas remain conservative, but the heavily populated areas like Denver--where the power is--are becoming very liberal.
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It is not only California, but a ton of white people from the midwest (Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kansas, Michigan, etc) and south (Alabama, Texas, Florida) have turned Colorado into a complete shithole. Way too many transplants there.

Denver used to be a world-class city -- about 15 to 20 years ago.
 
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sanbruno

Robin
STG said:
Colorado went from being a rural, conservative, ranching mountain state to California East. The leftist Californians suffering from their own politics fled California to live in Colorado. 30 years later, Colorado is California East with all the ills that come with it.

Californians did the same to Oregon, Washington state, and now they are going to Idaho and Montana. Look up the housing boom for Idaho and Montana and you can see the leftists fleeing their utopia. Are they tired of living in their California utopia and looking to change their ways? I would like to think so, but history says otherwise....
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This is a common refrain in US conservative discord, but I'm somewhat skeptical if it's as influential as some believe. I personally think single motherhood and the general soy-ification of the last few decades of men is what is really driving these trends, and focusing on migration takes away from the bigger picture. As the service sector/FIRE economy has grown in America, so has the number of weak (woke) men. Here in the midwest, you see tons of kids of who grew up in super conservative small towns, and they come to the big cities for university and/or service sector work and of course become raging leftists. In the past, most of these kids wouldn't have had the luxury to move to a big city and spend their 20s in a state of extended teenager-dom and debauchery. The only thing keeping conservative states red is their rural populations, virtually every large urban center in the US is a blue lock. The suburbs are no longer a red stronghold as they once were either. Western states tend to have much sparser rural populations, which is why Portland heavily overshadows all of Oregon. I'd argue what we are really seeing is the increasing urban/rural white/blue collar culture war.

Colorado is likely a victim of the migration you speak of, because its arguably the premier outdoorsy state, and as been a huge destination for decades now. When people say this about a state like Texas though, I'm skeptical. Many Californians that move to conservative states are in fact conservatives already. Leftists are often incredibly ignorant and fearful of anywhere outside their utopias. It's certainly a factor, but I think replication of the ideology itself is still a far bigger threat than migration.
 
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M'bare

M'bare

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Gold Member
STG said:
Tyranny of the majority unfortunately is common in many states. The states need their own electoral college system so the cities cannot decide the elections for the entire state.

ct-illinois-president-results-20161108
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We need to push/advocate for city-states, much like the way Hong Kong was for many years. They can operate independently and have no influence on the rest of the state, let alone the country. This is the only way this ends peacefully, or somewhat peacefully.
 
Uponthisrock

Uponthisrock

Sparrow
Protestant
It's a sad state of affairs. I don't see there being much good for the country overall. The shift in the country as a whole is towards the left.
Now I know there's many out there who claim conservativism is strong and even gaining strength, or that the young generation is more conservative than their parents, but what do they mean by that?
When one says conservative what do you mean? What are you conserving and why?
It's that Overton window concept.
We don't compare conservatives of today to those in the 50's, we compare them to liberals of today.
Liberals don't accept correction its part of the cancer that is liberalism. They destroy a place and never self reflect or take responsibility, they just move to some new place spreading their disease.
It's funny in that they hate colonization yet that's exactly what they do. They find a place, bring their friends and literally crap all over it, before complaining that it's changed and moving on.
The best we can do is, be good examples and be outspoken, unashamed of our opinion and we'll educated in it. Make outsiders feel a little uncomfortable.
 
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