New York City, San Fran, Seatle are failed states

canthejock

Chicken
It is not only California, but a ton of white people from the midwest (Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kansas, Michigan, etc) and south (Alabama, Texas, Florida) have turned Colorado into a complete shithole. Way too many transplants there.

Denver used to be a world-class city -- about 15 to 20 years ago.
I am currently in Denver (born and raised). Wife and I just moved to Arvada (15 mins from downtown Denver). It’s a great place to be. Most of colorado besides a couple liberal areas (Denver, Boulder) are lovely.
 

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
Colorado is becoming similar to California in the sense that there are distinct political differences in certain parts of each state. California is hyper-liberal in the wealthy heavily populated areas like San Francisco and Los Angeles, which is where the real power is, but in the rural inland agricultural and desert areas it is pretty conservative. Something similar is happening to Colorado where the rural areas remain conservative, but the heavily populated areas like Denver--where the power is--are becoming very liberal.
I lived in CO in the early 90s when the Californicators were fleeing CA. As Vox Day wrote, they effectively ruined the state.

As then, if you are from California and you are leaving because you do not like what it turned into, I have one question:

While you were there, did you vote for any Democrats? Because if you did, you helped this happen.

I consider everyone moving from CA to red areas immediately suspect. Nobody ever thinks that THEY are the shitbag.
 

Douglas Quaid

Kingfisher
At least SF and Seattle are physically beautiful.
I think Seattle is the most physically beautiful city in the US, with the mountains, lakes, Puget Sound, islands and forests. It's hardly ever too hot or too cold, and everything is green. I even love the rain. The summers are incredible too. Long, sunny days in the 70s.

I really wanted to settle in Western Washington, but the people have ruined it.
 

Laner

Crow
Protestant
Gold Member
I think Seattle is the most physically beautiful city in the US, with the mountains, lakes, Puget Sound, islands and forests. It's hardly ever too hot or too cold, and everything is green. I even love the rain. The summers are incredible too. Long, sunny days in the 70s.

I really wanted to settle in Western Washington, but the people have ruined it.
Don't give up. Most of Western Washington is still far from the insanity of the Seattle - Tacoma - Olympia corridor. In reality, there are more great spots in Washington than almost any other state I have been to.

Give it another chance. Take a month and just travel around some of the smaller cities and towns. Washington - and a good portion of its people - are actually pretty cool.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Cutting all major cities out of states and turning them into something like DC would be a good idea. Though it is hard to see a path to that through the houses. The system is in a relative statis, though the Democrats don't have any issues with breaking rules at the state and local level, it is hard to see mandates for constitutional change.

The underlying issue is probably in my top three of the worst policies the fake conservatives have provided no push-back to. That is the vast conveyor-belting of about 50% of 18 years olds into universities. I don't know the data for The US, though in The UK the average age in London is about 8 years younger than your average county. Once you strip immigration out and take into account age, the voting preferences in cities are still much the same as the rest of the country - about 50/50.

This new thing of voting blocks defined by rural vs. urban is new and has been caused by the two above tides.

The left have all these things as weapons and there is virtually no response.

The only issue is the left do so much damage from their decaying cities, that it's really a half measure. The quickest way to a decrease in the power of their system is to hasten the collapse of their systems, i.e. their bogus teacher and municipal pension funds, their student loan systems etc. I believe most students only get loans because the Democrats have come up with a deal with the banks.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Yeah bit
Don't give up. Most of Western Washington is still far from the insanity of the Seattle - Tacoma - Olympia corridor. In reality, there are more great spots in Washington than almost any other state I have been to.
that doesn’t mean there’s no risk. Greater physical proximity to these blue areas is a significant security risk in the event of further political unrest or any kind of social crash.
 

Laner

Crow
Protestant
Gold Member
Yeah bit

that doesn’t mean there’s no risk. Greater physical proximity to these blue areas is a significant security risk in the event of further political unrest or any kind of social crash.

Of course. There is risk anywhere in America for most of us.

What I notice about rural small town/city Washington is that people kind of just go along to get along. People are very friendly, even in 'blue' parts of the state. But on a personal level, what you end up with is a just a good nature person who wants people to be happy. If things suddenly get rough for Washington, most people there are smart enough to change tack pretty quickly. Those small towns all over Washington are fertile, spread out, hard working and very American. Voting Democrat is more misguided politeness than anything.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
I lived in CO in the early 90s when the Californicators were fleeing CA. As Vox Day wrote, they effectively ruined the state.

As then, if you are from California and you are leaving because you do not like what it turned into, I have one question:

While you were there, did you vote for any Democrats? Because if you did, you helped this happen.

I consider everyone moving from CA to red areas immediately suspect. Nobody ever thinks that THEY are the shitbag.
There must be some way to screen them out. Else it's going to be locusts moving from State to State.
 

ReactionaryT

Chicken
Other Christian
This is a common refrain in US conservative discord, but I'm somewhat skeptical if it's as influential as some believe. I personally think single motherhood and the general soy-ification of the last few decades of men is what is really driving these trends, and focusing on migration takes away from the bigger picture. As the service sector/FIRE economy has grown in America, so has the number of weak (woke) men. Here in the midwest, you see tons of kids of who grew up in super conservative small towns, and they come to the big cities for university and/or service sector work and of course become raging leftists. In the past, most of these kids wouldn't have had the luxury to move to a big city and spend their 20s in a state of extended teenager-dom and debauchery. The only thing keeping conservative states red is their rural populations, virtually every large urban center in the US is a blue lock. The suburbs are no longer a red stronghold as they once were either. Western states tend to have much sparser rural populations, which is why Portland heavily overshadows all of Oregon. I'd argue what we are really seeing is the increasing urban/rural white/blue collar culture war.

Colorado is likely a victim of the migration you speak of, because its arguably the premier outdoorsy state, and as been a huge destination for decades now. When people say this about a state like Texas though, I'm skeptical. Many Californians that move to conservative states are in fact conservatives already. Leftists are often incredibly ignorant and fearful of anywhere outside their utopias. It's certainly a factor, but I think replication of the ideology itself is still a far bigger threat than migration.
This is a very good point. Demographics do play a huge role in these states turning blue. But sometimes we rely on the demographics argument as a way to avoid the fact that we are losing the culture war. I have seen it in my own life. I had 3 roommates in college, all of whom were conservative minded, even if they didn't always vote that way. One of the three got married right after graduating, and hasn't changed his opinions much. One ended up getting a job in the big city at a small ad firm, ever since then I've seen his worldview turn hard left. When people move to the big city, and find employment in certain fields, and they begin to adopt the opinions and tastes of those around them.

I would say that the influx of people aged 25-40 moving to large metropolises and adopting more progressive worldviews is a huge contributor to these shifts. It used to be that these people moved to NYC, Chicago, and LA- which were already leftist hotbeds, so you wouldn't notice it as much. But now they are moving to Scottsdale (AZ), Atlanta (GA), and Denver (CO). This has been happening for about a decade now, but it has finally tipped the balance of many of these places. BUT- we must keep in mind that these shifts are happening within these individual states themselves. People who live in the city and surrounding areas, and even the suburbs, are for one reason or another, adopting leftists worldviews.
 

godfather dust

 
Banned
Gold Member
Texas, Florida, other decent states really ought to fight to keep the likes of Goldman Sachs, Oracle and other tech and finance companies out.

It is a deal with the devil. You get some jobs and tax revenue, you give up your children's safety when they bring hordes of disgusting perverts, weirdos, Tikum Olum public school teachers etc.
 

Gorgiass

Kingfisher
Gold Member
NYC is a ghost town. They are proposing a $3 surtax on package deliveries to fund transit. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...d-mta/2767045/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

Well NYC is far from a ghost town, although obviously the tourists aren't around, but it's hilarious they're talking about a massive surcharge like that to fund the MTA. I did some work for them not long ago and had never seen so much waste. There was an entire group that sat in the cafeteria for 6+ hours a day, straight through, playing cards. I don't know how the supervisors didn't care, maybe their department head was in the game. Crowds of them out on the tracks gabbing for hours every day. Incredibly inefficient construction processes. Outside contractors literally had more people supervising them than actually performing work many days. They could fire half their workforce tomorrow and not know the difference - if the remaining ones would actually put in a full days work (which of course they wouldn't). But, the unions...
 
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