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<blockquote data-quote="Mage" data-source="post: 1179247" data-attributes="member: 1809"><p>The arguments for shared public cars remind me communist arguments about shared flats or so called communal flats. They were Soviet experiment where multiple families lived in the same flat. Each family had one, maybe two separate rooms where both parents and children shared the same room and all 3 -5 families or unrelated individuals living in the flat shared common kitchen and bathroom. </p><p></p><p>The arguments were similar - it's not rational and cost-effective to have a car/kitchen/bathroom stand idle for a long time, why not let people hare it? Some communal flats were the big flats of rich people spent to gulag divided to several families, while others were specifically constructed like that. </p><p></p><p>The ones constructed like that had thin walls so neighbors could overhear each other and snitch on the neighbors who said something bad about the party or state or comrade Stalin. These thin walls were the best alternative in times when video and audio spying technology was only in its infancy.</p><p></p><p>Communal flat inhabitants faced many problems unimaginable to western people - imagine sharing your kitchen with an alcoholic who vomits there or is sitting in a corner ogling your wife's ass and hitting on her. Imagine waiting in long lines to have a shower or take a piss. Imagine some alcoholic neighbor fed up with waiting and taking a shit at the common corridor that unites the rooms. Imagine children being repressed and shouted down for playing loud because some other guy with a night shift wants to sleep. Imagine everyone knowing about your sex life. Imagine having to deal with the smell of cats some cat lady feeds in he room next to you or with an angry dog some neighbor keeps that tries to take a bite off your children. Imagine some neighbor constantly stealing your food, claiming he just borrowed it but never actually giving it back. Imagine someone very concerned about your shared bill for utilities and shouting on you for not turning off lighting in the common areas or showering too often. Depending on the people you get to live with it was always a lesser or greater hell. And typically you always got at least one alcoholic and at least one grumpy and slow old person and at least one family with loud and obnoxious children living with you, statistically it was inevitable.</p><p></p><p>I remember in my childhood some of my relatives still lived in a flat like that as they were all over the Soviet Union and when we went visiting them I was being told by my parents to greet those other scary looking alcoholics who lived there but to not engage them further.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://understandrussia.com/communal-flats/" target="_blank">https://understandrussia.com/communal-flats/</a></p><p></p><p>Shared cars may not be as bad, because we still spend less time in our cars as we spend in our homes, but it is still a very communist thing to force people to share cars and may be a first step for more drastic urbanization attempts like a return to shared flats that in case of a western world would be more diverse then anything under the majority white Soviet Union. Imagine a living space shared by let's say a devout Muslim family, some junkies, some old people at retirement age, a white family with two children and some feminist cat lady. As immigration grows and urbanization intensifies I don't rule out such a possibility. Is it not already implied in countries like Sweden to be a good thing to give some of your living space to migrants? It might pretty easily turn into a forced thing once there become too many of them and the natives cannot keep up the construction of new residential buildings.</p><p></p><p>Same thing with these public autonomous cars - imagine you calling a car assigning your route in the phone - you get in the car, but some seats are still left free, when all the sudden in the middle of your trip the car stops to take some more passengers who have assigned the same route - you now share a tiny space with a total stranger who might be drunk, might be a rapist, might be a smelly hobo. At least in a metro or in a bus you have other people acting as witnesses and possible protectors, but in a small car with 4-8 seats a diverse occupancy is a trouble in the making.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mage, post: 1179247, member: 1809"] The arguments for shared public cars remind me communist arguments about shared flats or so called communal flats. They were Soviet experiment where multiple families lived in the same flat. Each family had one, maybe two separate rooms where both parents and children shared the same room and all 3 -5 families or unrelated individuals living in the flat shared common kitchen and bathroom. The arguments were similar - it's not rational and cost-effective to have a car/kitchen/bathroom stand idle for a long time, why not let people hare it? Some communal flats were the big flats of rich people spent to gulag divided to several families, while others were specifically constructed like that. The ones constructed like that had thin walls so neighbors could overhear each other and snitch on the neighbors who said something bad about the party or state or comrade Stalin. These thin walls were the best alternative in times when video and audio spying technology was only in its infancy. Communal flat inhabitants faced many problems unimaginable to western people - imagine sharing your kitchen with an alcoholic who vomits there or is sitting in a corner ogling your wife's ass and hitting on her. Imagine waiting in long lines to have a shower or take a piss. Imagine some alcoholic neighbor fed up with waiting and taking a shit at the common corridor that unites the rooms. Imagine children being repressed and shouted down for playing loud because some other guy with a night shift wants to sleep. Imagine everyone knowing about your sex life. Imagine having to deal with the smell of cats some cat lady feeds in he room next to you or with an angry dog some neighbor keeps that tries to take a bite off your children. Imagine some neighbor constantly stealing your food, claiming he just borrowed it but never actually giving it back. Imagine someone very concerned about your shared bill for utilities and shouting on you for not turning off lighting in the common areas or showering too often. Depending on the people you get to live with it was always a lesser or greater hell. And typically you always got at least one alcoholic and at least one grumpy and slow old person and at least one family with loud and obnoxious children living with you, statistically it was inevitable. I remember in my childhood some of my relatives still lived in a flat like that as they were all over the Soviet Union and when we went visiting them I was being told by my parents to greet those other scary looking alcoholics who lived there but to not engage them further. [URL]https://understandrussia.com/communal-flats/[/URL] Shared cars may not be as bad, because we still spend less time in our cars as we spend in our homes, but it is still a very communist thing to force people to share cars and may be a first step for more drastic urbanization attempts like a return to shared flats that in case of a western world would be more diverse then anything under the majority white Soviet Union. Imagine a living space shared by let's say a devout Muslim family, some junkies, some old people at retirement age, a white family with two children and some feminist cat lady. As immigration grows and urbanization intensifies I don't rule out such a possibility. Is it not already implied in countries like Sweden to be a good thing to give some of your living space to migrants? It might pretty easily turn into a forced thing once there become too many of them and the natives cannot keep up the construction of new residential buildings. Same thing with these public autonomous cars - imagine you calling a car assigning your route in the phone - you get in the car, but some seats are still left free, when all the sudden in the middle of your trip the car stops to take some more passengers who have assigned the same route - you now share a tiny space with a total stranger who might be drunk, might be a rapist, might be a smelly hobo. At least in a metro or in a bus you have other people acting as witnesses and possible protectors, but in a small car with 4-8 seats a diverse occupancy is a trouble in the making. [/QUOTE]
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