I would suspect that the reason for the higher rates of suicide is in part due to Steroids/ drugs which effect their hormones and immune system. Another factor albeit perhaps silly, is that these people live reverse lifes. Most people work towards something which they work 20 or 30 years for in order to peak in their careers. These guys start out with it all and then lose it all.
NFL player kills girlfriend, drives to stadium and commits suicide
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Relevant tidbit: "This report from the Kansas City Star suggests the couple had been arguing after Perkins [the girlfriend] was out late, attending a Trey Songz concert. The friend quoted in the article says that Belcher and Perkins had been dating for three years, and that 'she wasn't aware of any prior physical abuse.'"
It's easy to write guys like this off as a psychopath, but I think it takes more than a getting hit in sports to drive a man to these ends. It's always a series of events, never an isolated event, that makes people act in desperation. And I think no matter who you are, there's a series of events that will drive you over the edge.
It's easy to write guys like this off as a psychopath, but I think it takes more than a getting hit in sports to drive a man to these ends. It's always a series of events, never an isolated event, that makes people act in desperation. And I think no matter who you are, there's a series of events that will drive you over the edge.
MSW2007 said:
Four Current Or Former NFL Players Have Committed Suicide In The Last Eight Months
"Here's a timeline:
In April, former Atlanta Falcons player Ray Easterling shot himself. He was 62, and an autopsy found that he had the degenerative brain disease CTE that's believed to be caused by head trauma.
In May, former San Diego Chargers player Junior Seau shot himself in the chest. He was 43.
In July, Tennessee Titans wide receiver OJ Murdock shot himself. He was 25.
Today, Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher shot himself in the parking lot of the team's practice facility after allegedly killing his girlfriend in front of his three-month-old daughter.
The brain disease CTE is known to cause erratic behavior, but it's unclear if all of these players were afflicted with that condition.
No matter the cause, it's a disturbing trend."
Only One Man said:
Right...but sometime when they DO happen, this happens.
Jury's still out -- what everyone is doing here, including me, is speculating. Let's see how it all shakes out.
Samseau said:
I disagree. Young hot, chicks go for high status guys more so then "fucked up guys". Given the choice between a high status guy and a violent guy, they will most often pick the high status guy.
Beat up your girlfriend and see if she likes you more or less. Most times, she will like you less. Only a few girls will actually be turned on by getting beat up, most will call the cops on you.
I doubt she was with him because he was so fucked up. Most likely, she was with him because he is a rich, professional athlete.
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
Again, I disagree with this. If you want proof, do this experiment...
Beat up your girl, punch her in the face, kick her in the ribs, break bones. Do this once a month. After a few months, observe her reaction. Does she like you more or less? Most girls will leave you after the first beating. Only a dysfunctional few will stick around.
Also, Samseau and HCE, here is another experiment to test this...
Next time you are out on a date with a girl and things are going well, slap her. Observe her reaction, does this turn her on or does it cause her to think you are crazy and leave you immediately. Most girls will leave immediately.
Sure, gangster girls, mafia queens, hood chicks, abused women and female criminals might respect violence, but they are a minority. The average woman is not comfortable around bloodshed.
Again, this girl likely was not with him because she admired his violent tendencies, she was with him because he is an NFL player.
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
Yes, of course, NFL players do major damage to their brains. Any one who does regular damage to their brain will be at higher risk of suicide. Same is true for boxers, fighters, etc.
Giovonny said:
I don't think that helps the issue. She knows that there is a strong possibility (at least several times greater than average) that he will slap, beat, rape, abuse or kill her, due to his generally aggressive way of solving problems that becomes apparent after spending a few hours in a person's company. Yet it never matter to her, even though there is such a strong link between Alpha indicators and this possibility. Knowing that girls are reckless and stupid is not comforting at all.
And that is without taking into account unprecedented-in-other-gender cases like Anders Breivik and prisontalk.com, where it's obvious that women are in love with men (despite them being ugly losers) exactly because they are violent.
I'm gonna take an alternate route and say this. At what point do we stop blaming the NFL for these brain injuries? This isn't Ancient Rome where you were forced to fight or killed. These guys make millions upon millions of dollars over the course of an NFL career. And if you can manage to become a "star" in the sport, well, that money can increase many, MANY times over. These guys know the pitfalls to playing such a violent sport.
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
A minority of girls like violent men, not the majority of girls, imo.
If you smack them, most girls will think that you are a weird, psycho and get away from you. Like I said, punch your girl in the face and see what happens. She will most likely will not like you more, she will likely call the cops.
Girls that marry guys in prison are not actually putting themselves at risk of violence. THE GUYS ARE IN PRISON. SO, THERE IS ALMOST NO CHANCE THAT THEY WILL EVER SLAP OR EVEN TOUCH THE GIRL. They are not marrying a violent guy, they are marrying a violent guy who is locked up in a cage, big difference.
CMan0928 said:
When NFL football stops causing brain injuries. Which will never happen. By nature of the job, they put their brains at risk.
That's like saying..
At what point do we stop blaming the NBA for sprained ankles. As long as there is basketball, there will be ankle injuries.
As long as there is football, there will be brain injuries.
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The NFL is doing all they can to attempt to mitigate brain injury. They penalize helmet-to-helmet hits. They limit helmet and pads practices to once a week. But there is so much incidental helmet-to-helmet contact that has been sustained throughout their football lives, from Pop Warner to the NFL that any and all damage can't be avoided. Unless they want to turn it into two-hand touch or flag football, there's going to be some brain injury. It's only a matter of how minor or major it is.
As stated major disasters are often a combination of factors defeating stabilizing influences.
Theoretically some choice of these--
1) history of violence+
2) fatigue/mood problem ( general situational depletion, depression,possible hangover) +
3) steroids +
4) Cumulative TBI +
5) her flirting with/getting new guy/attending concert/otherwise antagonizing
bad news from his family ) mother sick etc +
6) (let's start with the NRA flames) easy gun availability ( gun on hand)
I think it's pretty hard to beat someone to death even for an NFL player, maybe not that "hard" but I'm guessing you typically have to keep pounding after they're unconscious. You have a little time to think at least. with a gun it just takes one second.
Theoretically some choice of these--
1) history of violence+
2) fatigue/mood problem ( general situational depletion, depression,possible hangover) +
3) steroids +
4) Cumulative TBI +
5) her flirting with/getting new guy/attending concert/otherwise antagonizing
bad news from his family ) mother sick etc +
6) (let's start with the NRA flames) easy gun availability ( gun on hand)
I think it's pretty hard to beat someone to death even for an NFL player, maybe not that "hard" but I'm guessing you typically have to keep pounding after they're unconscious. You have a little time to think at least. with a gun it just takes one second.
Giovonny said:
high status guys > fucked up guys > normal guys
Obviously you shouldn't just go around beating up a girl to get her to like you.
That's weak game.
But instead, once you've been banging her for a month or two, you slap her around when she's giving you crap... and you'll be surprised how many stick around.
Also, the object isn't to hurt her, it's to humiliate.
CMan0928 said:
Players are just being informed of the risks of brain injury within the past few years.
I'm not blaming the NFL other than the fact that they probably knew about this for some time and even now that it's public knowledge their "protections" aren't consistent and focus on the players that make them the most money. A defensive player can't lead with their head into a tackle but an offensive player can put his head down to meet a tackler. A defensive player can't horse collar tackle but an offensive player can cut block.
Samseau said:
I don't know, I think you are giving "fucked guys" too much credit. "Fucked up" guys are often fuck ups and can't keep their shit together long enough to maintain a consistent flow of cute girls.
I think.. having game > being fucked up
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Would you be better with girls if you were more fucked up?
I find it interesting that you.. a) think all girls are sluts and b) say girls like fucked up guys. It seems such a nihilistic view for a Christian to have???
But Gio, none of this solves the primary issue. Now we've concluded that girls aren't attracted to fucked up guys per se, but that instead they just ignore obvious "fucked up" signals over game, fame or wealth. Which is worse? One variant is evil, the other is stupid and reckless, and both mean awful consequences for normal guys left out in the cold.
That said, by "fucked up" I mean propensity to violence, aggressiveness, instability, absence/lack of empathy. Some of those things are good game by themselves - qualifying the guy as a "strong dominant guy who knows what he wants", while others are obviously not. Seeing this overlap, perhaps it would be better to use the terms "bad person" and "good person".
I.e., with a few exceptions, girls are not attracted to bad people because they are bad, but most of them are willing to ignore the bad for the sake of getting their Alpha fix. But as I already mentioned, that just makes the average girl stupid and reckless instead of plain evil.
For example, I've recently personally met a just plain psycho, violent guy who has had 6 notches by the age of 18. He has a mental illness of some kind and was charged with several crimes in his life, including assault, stalking, robbery and cruelty to animals. We're talking "the guy who filmed himself taking a pet kitten out of a cage and slitting its throat with a knife" caliber here. Yet this guy is at a whole lot above the average for his age as far as sexual partners go. Every single girl would describe him as despicable, but they sure did fuck him, and multiple times at that. The point is, I just don't see how him being fucked up has made him unappealing to girls, even by a bit. Am I supposed to be comforted with the fact that he can't keep months for longer than 6 months? Many good-hearted Betas can't either.
That said, by "fucked up" I mean propensity to violence, aggressiveness, instability, absence/lack of empathy. Some of those things are good game by themselves - qualifying the guy as a "strong dominant guy who knows what he wants", while others are obviously not. Seeing this overlap, perhaps it would be better to use the terms "bad person" and "good person".
I.e., with a few exceptions, girls are not attracted to bad people because they are bad, but most of them are willing to ignore the bad for the sake of getting their Alpha fix. But as I already mentioned, that just makes the average girl stupid and reckless instead of plain evil.
For example, I've recently personally met a just plain psycho, violent guy who has had 6 notches by the age of 18. He has a mental illness of some kind and was charged with several crimes in his life, including assault, stalking, robbery and cruelty to animals. We're talking "the guy who filmed himself taking a pet kitten out of a cage and slitting its throat with a knife" caliber here. Yet this guy is at a whole lot above the average for his age as far as sexual partners go. Every single girl would describe him as despicable, but they sure did fuck him, and multiple times at that. The point is, I just don't see how him being fucked up has made him unappealing to girls, even by a bit. Am I supposed to be comforted with the fact that he can't keep months for longer than 6 months? Many good-hearted Betas can't either.
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