Nick Fuentes

Roosh

Cardinal
We do have a groypers thread but I think it's worth having one on Fuentes since his profile is growing. The regime is going after him pretty hard...

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Four months into the Biden Administration and Americans who espouse Christian morality, promote a national identity, and reject clown-world modernity are being persecuted as terrorists in their own country.
 

Barron

Ostrich
Gold Member
Democracy and freedom. What a vomit inducing joke.
This sentiment is dishonest and misplaced.

As you and millions of Americans are aware, our system has been hijacked by radical Marxists. The Democracy and freedom that you are so anxious to blame as the problem worked just fine for 200+ years and lead to the greatest technological breakthroughs mankind has ever witnessed.

The problem isn't Democracy and freedom, the problem is that the people whom it served grew weak, took it for granted, and eventually forgot about it.
 
This sentiment is dishonest and misplaced.

As you and millions of Americans are aware, our system has been hijacked by radical Marxists. The Democracy and freedom that you are so anxious to blame as the problem worked just fine for 200+ years and lead to the greatest technological breakthroughs mankind has ever witnessed.

The problem isn't Democracy and freedom, the problem is that the people whom it served grew weak, took it for granted, and eventually forgot about it.
Democracy is a problem, a serious problem, and that is why the USA was not founded as a democracy and really didn't become a "democracy" until women could vote, which was the same administration that gave us the Federal Reserve and the globalist WW1.

Of course the USA is still not a democracy, we are a representative democracy. Meaning popular things that the people want and support, such as immigration restriction, bringing the troops home, no free trade, etc. are never supported because we only get to vote for one of two representatives who do not touch these subjects. If we were a real democracy we would be able to vote on these items as citizens.

And I think Nick and his supporters are starting to realize all of this and see there is no fix within the current system. At least not without a loud voice to make people aware of these serious issues and question our government.
 

DanielH

Pelican
And I think Nick and his supporters are starting to realize all of this and see there is no fix within the current system. At least not without a loud voice to make people aware of these serious issues and question our government.
I'm really interested to see how the America First movement develops once this is fully realized. Do they start making physical communities? Or do they just remain a rogue voice being forced into ever shrinking internet ghettos? Everyone in the movement has agreed Nick is the leader, which is good that for once that most of the infighting is done with, but that also puts a huge target on his back.
 
I'm really interested to see how the America First movement develops once this is fully realized. Do they start making physical communities? Or do they just remain a rogue voice being forced into ever shrinking internet ghettos? Everyone in the movement has agreed Nick is the leader, which is good that for once that most of the infighting is done with, but that also puts a huge target on his back.
My honest opinion is many in the movement will realize they can never subvert the GOP and trying to do so is a waste of time. After this they look to the so called "wignats" and realize they were right the entire time. So the "wignats" will grow in popularity because the GOP isn't allowed to even give them a crumb.

When young men cannot afford to buy a home and start a family you have serious issues. And neither party addresses any of these issues and even goes as to far as to make fun of young men in this situation and call them "incels".
 

bucky

Ostrich
My honest opinion is many in the movement will realize they can never subvert the GOP and trying to do so is a waste of time. After this they look to the so called "wignats" and realize they were right the entire time. So the "wignats" will grow in popularity because the GOP isn't allowed to even give them a crumb.

When young men cannot afford to buy a home and start a family you have serious issues. And neither party addresses any of these issues and even goes as to far as to make fun of young men in this situation and call them "incels".
Interesting point about "incels." I've long observed that both leftist young women and the less manly young guys who suck up to them hate "incels" in real terms far more than they do the neo-Nazis and KKK members that they imagine are everywhere but never really see. I hadn't thought about the possibility of the "incels" and "wignats" gradually merging into the same group, but it makes sense.

On the other hand, I have insanely great sex with a pretty, thin Latina* several times a week and I've been called an incel online several times, so who knows what the term means anymore in a practical sense. I think what they often mean by "incel" is "red-pilled about women and it makes me feel bad" rather than "guy who would like to have sex but can't get a woman."

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Sherman

Ostrich
This sentiment is dishonest and misplaced.

As you and millions of Americans are aware, our system has been hijacked by radical Marxists. The Democracy and freedom that you are so anxious to blame as the problem worked just fine for 200+ years and lead to the greatest technological breakthroughs mankind has ever witnessed.

The problem isn't Democracy and freedom, the problem is that the people whom it served grew weak, took it for granted, and eventually forgot about it.

You are missing the point. I didn't say that democracy and freedom are a problem. I am saying that there currently is no democracy and freedom. You are being fooled by words.
 
Interesting point about "incels." I've long observed that both leftist young women and the less manly young guys who suck up to them hate "incels" in real terms far more than they do the neo-Nazis and KKK members that they imagine are everywhere but never really see. I hadn't thought about the possibility of the "incels" and "wignats" gradually merging into the same group, but it makes sense.

On the other hand, I have insanely great sex with a pretty, thin Latina* several times a week and I've been called an incel online several times, so who knows what the term means anymore in a practical sense. I think what they often mean by "incel" is "red-pilled about women and it makes me feel bad" rather than "guy who would like to have sex but can't get a woman."

*Mods: We're married in the Roman Catholic Church
Well, I am not using the term "incel" to reference a group of men. My point is that both political parties have created a system that will not allow young men to get a job, buy a home and start a family. The most important thing for ANY civilization is to ensure young men can buy into the system. If young men cannot afford to buy into the system, then you will have chaos. That is the situation the USA faces now.

This is actually true for ALL mammals. When zoos move their animals, they cannot move them without the alpha male animals. If they do, then the younger male animals will go wild and even kill their females. Alpha male's job is to keep young bucks in line and give them a system to follow, so they can on day become alpha's and repeat. Humans are no different.

And this system has failed young men. And the system's response is to make fun of young men for this and call them "incels". "Haha, we created a system that prevents you from finding a mate, and we will do nothing to help you". And both parties are equally to blame.
 

bucky

Ostrich
Well, I am not using the term "incel" to reference a group of men. My point is that both political parties have created a system that will not allow young men to get a job, buy a home and start a family. The most important thing for ANY civilization is to ensure young men can buy into the system. If young men cannot afford to buy into the system, then you will have chaos. That is the situation the USA faces now.

This is actually true for ALL mammals. When zoos move their animals, they cannot move them without the alpha male animals. If they do, then the younger male animals will go wild and even kill their females. Alpha male's job is to keep young bucks in line and give them a system to follow, so they can on day become alpha's and repeat. Humans are no different.

And this system has failed young men. And the system's response is to make fun of young men for this and call them "incels". "Haha, we created a system that prevents you from finding a mate, and we will do nothing to help you". And both parties are equally to blame.
Good observation. You and I have been over this on other threads before, but I agree with you that it's essentially impossible for mediocre young white men to thrive in the current system. I'd strongly suggest being better than mediocre, but by definition a big chunk of men will be in that unimpressive group that fails to rise above average and when they have little to no chance to succeed and have a family, that's very bad.
 
Good observation. You and I have been over this on other threads before, but I agree with you that it's essentially impossible for mediocre young white men to thrive in the current system. I'd strongly suggest being better than mediocre, but by definition a big chunk of men will be in that unimpressive group that fails to rise above average and when they have little to no chance to succeed and have a family, that's very bad.
Even for exceptional young men it is very hard. I know men who scored well into the upper 90% in math and science and they can't find their way in life. Everyone discriminates against them, and even if they go through the entire rigger of finally landing a good job, they constantly look over their shoulder to be replaced by a H-1B visa worker who will do the job for less.
 

bucky

Ostrich
Even for exceptional young men it is very hard. I know men who scored well into the upper 90% in math and science and they can't find their way in life. Everyone discriminates against them, and even if they go through the entire rigger of finally landing a good job, they constantly look over their shoulder to be replaced by a H-1B visa worker who will do the job for less.
By rising above mediocre, I certainly don't mean doing well in school or having a high IQ. By themselves those things have little or no influence on success. I've known hordes of highly intelligent narcissists who point to their credentials while whining that the system is unfair, while others with less raw intelligence and no academic credentials to speak of go out and make something happen. You can talk about how unfair things are as much you want and you'll probably be right, but ultimately you'll have to be alone with yourself one day, and if you don't make something happen odds are that you will be very, very alone.
 
I'm really interested to see how the America First movement develops once this is fully realized.
My honest opinion is many in the movement will realize they can never subvert the GOP and trying to do so is a waste of time.

Is Fuentes very "America First?" The GOP has already devoured that movement, slogan, whatever, and rendered it moot, imho. I don't see it as a viable political choice in the future. Something else is needed.

I agree with you that it's essentially impossible for mediocre young white men to thrive in the current system.
Even for exceptional young men it is very hard.

It's worse than that. By most standards I've been successful, not insanely rich or famous but I've done well for myself. I'm also fit, dress well, etc. etc. I'm older but not super old...but I feel like the system has become near impossible to thrive in. It's all fake, lying BS. Even though I have some tell me they fell hopeless, I can only guess how a 20 year old young man really feels.
 
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DanielH

Pelican
Even for exceptional young men it is very hard. I know men who scored well into the upper 90% in math and science and they can't find their way in life. Everyone discriminates against them, and even if they go through the entire rigger of finally landing a good job, they constantly look over their shoulder to be replaced by a H-1B visa worker who will do the job for less.
This is pretty much me. I'm high in the top decile, and in my field it was very difficult to find an engineer with more practical experience and a higher GPA than me as a recent grad. I hired into an engineering firm which contracts for government clients. There's people on the government side who do the same exact thing but they make >50% more with better benefits after just a few years. Shortly after I hired on, a hispanic girl who only knows English as a second language, with a degree only tangentially related to our field and no practical experience, was hired by the government and now probably makes close to 6 figures. There are many similar examples, like a buddy of mine who lost a Naval Academy nomination to an asian girl with worse credentials. During my job interview I was asked if I knew any female engineers who would be interested in the job (I said no and I got the job). I'm at peace with all of this as I think it's a sign that this rat race isn't for me, and I'm gearing up to make a big career change.

Men in younger generations than me will have it even harder. I understand what you're saying @bucky. In my case I didn't want to go to college. I wanted to do my own thing, but I had everyone in my life - both my parents, my favorite teachers, all of my friends, pressure me into applying to college at age 17/18. Eventually I cracked and applied at the last minute and I got saddled with student loan debt and the false promise that engineering is somehow special. I don't care how smart a 17 or 18 year old is, they're retarded. I was. Hopefully the young men now will be more conscious of that scam than I was.

I still think it's possible to succeed financially as a young man, but realistically not within the white collar power structure. There are many business ideas one could do well in if they put themselves to it, landscaping, tree work, powerwashing, trades, etc.
 

fokm

Woodpecker
Gold Member
And both parties are equally to blame
I think this is where the some of the false thinking lies.

Since at least the 1940s and 1950s, our schools have raised us to appeal to authority. More so than the single schoolhouse model or just being raised by parents and working a farm. If we have a problem, we're supposed to appeal to authority rather than solving it ourselves, however cleanly or uncleanly.

Since we have all been raised in the system to appeal to authority, then we blame authority.

In this regard, I think the issue is that we're bombarded with so many distractions and trivialities that the vast majority of people can't really think and reason for themselves.

I was blind in this regard to until very recently.

You can appeal to authority when there's a high social trust and that authority has the best interest of its constituents in mind.

We don't have that system. It is up to us to buck the system or change it, and conveniently we aren't adequately equipped to do so.

What I am trying to do more than ever is talk more about this stuff offline. We all know the game is rigged, so it's easy to get people to agree. It's to the degree in which it's rigged is the true eye opener for many.
 
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