Nick Fuentes

Charbel Makhlouf

Sparrow
Orthodox
I honestly don't know anything about them. I think they are just young frustrated white men who have no opportunity in this country and no where else to go. They know they can't voice their opinions publicly or they will be harassed or even killed by Antifa. So they hide their identity, do their marches, and then go home.

All in all, it seems like they are just trying to build optics and interest to help other lost young white men. I don't know if they have any stated goals or real plans. Just more organized frustration. But to just call them "Feds" is pretty low and cowardly.

I genuinely don't have a dog in this fight, but if you "honestly don't know anything about [Patriot Front]," how can you be so certain that Nick is wrong to call them Feds?

FYI, I don't know anything about them either. I don't know what Nick knows about them either. Is he guessing or does he have good intel? (He is certainly better connected than me when it comes to these things).

I don't mean to be confrontational or argumentative (truly), but if you really don't know anything about Patriot Front, how can you possibly feel comfortably calling Nick a novice or suggesting that he's controlled opposition?
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
I genuinely don't have a dog in this fight, but if you "honestly don't know anything about [Patriot Front]," how can you be so certain that Nick is wrong to call them Feds?

FYI, I don't know anything about them either. I don't know what Nick knows about them either. Is he guessing or does he have good intel? (He is certainly better connected than me when it comes to these things).

I don't mean to be confrontational or argumentative (truly), but if you really don't know anything about Patriot Front, how can you possibly feel comfortably calling Nick a novice or suggesting that he's controlled opposition?
I can Google them. They have a history going back to at least 2017. Their leader has shown to be legit and worked hard to keep his followers out of trouble.

If Nick has good intel, and isn't either just being a complete novice or controlled opposition, I would love to hear it. Have Federal informants infiltrated the group? Maybe. Is the group a Fed honey pot like 1/6? Not yet. They get in, do a demonstration, and get out without anyone getting arrested or having their lives destroyed. Trump rally participants certainly cannot say this.

If you want to criticize their actions, then give criticism of it. If you just want to demoralize the right wing and call any young man who is in shape and wants the USA to not turn into a 3rd world hell hole and actually wants to go out in public and use their 1A a "Fed" then you are either a novice or controlled opposition. Sitting in your house making childish jokes and putting faith in Israel first politicians while spending time punching to the right is a road to no where.

 
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nathan

Robin
Catholic
Who is in the 2014-2016 crew?

I'd say guys like Vox Day, Cernovich (remember he was more hardcore then), Milo, Matt Walsh, Alex Jones, Owen Shroyer, Ben Shapiro even. Roosh too. Even some factions I didn't like, like Richard Spencer and that crew, or Molyneux or Bill Mitchell. It just seemed like we had more star power back then, and the message was fresh. Our side had a ton of energy. It's not like any of these guys went anywhere, but many of them pivoted, got deplatformed, or just kind of got stale.

It seems like whatever that movement was back then sort of just dissolved after Trump won and became mainstream himself. A lot of it got watered down by establishment GOP types like Charlie Kirk. And then big tech was able to successfully pick off the charismatic ones who had real talent. This left a void and now we have inexperienced zoomers filling the "top of the movement" roles that would be better filled by people with more wisdom and cachet.

It might be solely a result of globohomo cracking down on our side's presence on social media.
 

Philonous

Sparrow
Protestant
Patriot Front is absolutely real, just as the NJP is absolutely real.

How do they deal with fed infiltrators?

They’ve gotten a lot rarer in recent years. To be an infiltrator one has to have a high degree of intellect and talent, and then believe in his cause enough to take a lot of risk. That’s the opposite of the sorts of whites who are now working for the FBI.

What’s far more common nowadays are turncoats—members of an organization who get disenchanted with the group’s message, and then willfully make themselves agents for the enemy. Only with the way Patriot Front now is—the “spirit” of that organization as it stands—I see this as unlikely.

One of PF’s recent motivational movies: https://odysee.com/@PatriotFront:7/PatriotFrontAug21Activism:e

An organization that encourages strong families, strong local communities, and an almost ridiculous degree of patriotism (yet a complete unwillingness to have anything to do with the US ZOG) isn’t going to have a lot of turncoats. The few it does have will stand out like sore thumbs.

Do I agree enough to be a supporter?

At this point in time I agree that much. It doesn’t mean I’m totally behind their leaders’ ideology or the NJP’s ideology—which is itself a modern version of the NSDAP platform—but it’s also not far away from what I believe in.

More so, I am a believer in Corneliu Codreanu’s “Iron Guard” or “Legionaries”, and a supporter of the idea such a “theocratic fascist” ideology could take hold in America. That would be the sort of civil governance I’d actually feel altogether comfortable in calling “sacred”.

Obviously, I’m not squeamish about using the word “fascist” to describe myself. Antifa likes using it to describe “the state made to serve the interests of corporate industries”, which is a lot closer to the neoliberal US government that presently exists (and which Antifa supports). In fascism, corporate industries are made to serve the interests of the state.

Under fascism, corporations aren’t completely socialized or made unprofitable as they are in communism, but rather, to be profitable they must answer to a fiercely patriotic government—they must hire its legal citizens, honor its traditional mores and culture, and then pay its workers a living wage.

And I’m also a Strasserist. Again, that’s not really part of the NJP’s 25-point platform. There are about 2 or 3 of the points in that platform which echo to Strasserism, but the party leadership isn’t expressly Strasserist.

In short, the NJP and Patriot Front are based on a “racial fascist” model, whereas what I actually espouse would be an expressly Christian fascist model. I would like to see some sort of government that works in conjunction with ecumenical Christianity (and by “ecumenical” I mean with multiple conservative Christian denominations, not “multiple non-Christian faiths”).

In contrast, both the NJP and Patriot Front are very much “European-centric”, and would have laws greatly limiting non-white immigration. That’s the first thing they talk about whenever they begin a talk on their ideology—David Lane’s Fourteen Words.

Is there anything going on right now in America like Codreanu’s “Iron Guard”?

I strongly suspect such an organization exists secretly within the US military. I have no doubt their detractors would compare them to the “Knights of the Golden Circle” the Union Army had to root-out of its ranks throughout the Civil War. See also “Order of American Knights” and “Sons of Liberty”—all the same Confederate sympathizers.

Yet in truth, the group I’m describing has no corollary in American history. That’s partly because fascism as it’s now understood didn’t really exist until 1908, when the French journalist and political theorist Georges Sorel came up with the concept of “syndicalism”—basically, a patriotic form of socialism led by an autocrat. Sorel’s ideas then grew in Europe, but not in America.

And there are other things I could speculate about this secretive group of “theocratic fascists”—and my speculations may even be accurate; however, doing as much would effectively make me their spokesperson.

Obviously, I’m merely writing of things I suspect—developments I believe are highly likely under the current system of imposing Critical Race Theory on everyone here at home, and endless neoliberal corporate expansion on everyone abroad. I believe the current model is bound to create groups reacting hostilely against it, that some of these groups are bound to exist within the US military—and that given the right conditions they will overthrow the US federal government. I think all of these possibilities are quite reasonable, rather than far-fetched.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I'd say guys like Vox Day, Cernovich (remember he was more hardcore then), Milo, Matt Walsh, Alex Jones, Owen Shroyer, Ben Shapiro even. Roosh too. Even some factions I didn't like, like Richard Spencer and that crew, or Molyneux or Bill Mitchell. It just seemed like we had more star power back then, and the message was fresh. Our side had a ton of energy. It's not like any of these guys went anywhere, but many of them pivoted, got deplatformed, or just kind of got stale.

It seems like whatever that movement was back then sort of just dissolved after Trump won and became mainstream himself. A lot of it got watered down by establishment GOP types like Charlie Kirk. And then big tech was able to successfully pick off the charismatic ones who had real talent. This left a void and now we have inexperienced zoomers filling the "top of the movement" roles that would be better filled by people with more wisdom and cachet.

It might be solely a result of globohomo cracking down on our side's presence on social media.
Man, I haven't heard from or seen Stefan Molyneux in a long, long time.
 

just a human

 
Banned
Atheist
"You're an inkwell!!!"

It's funny how many women jump to this instead of making an argument. Anyone who gets flustered at being called an incel should not be in a debate / making public statements anyway. If gen z is caring less about this then that's a good thing.

Good reply to the retarded boomer expecting people to sympathize with the retarded woman calling fuetes an incel:


I think, the reason that generation of Fuentes isn't so much obsessed with sex is lower hormone levels.
The looks and behavior of young women is different in last 5-6 years. They have kinda frigidity, if I compare with previous generations. They don't have that edge. Pop singer Billie Eilish is an good example.
Vegan food and lack of animal fat also plays a role. Also, too much comfort and virtuality instead of real life.
 

Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
Groypers have migrated to Gab since the ban and are busy trying to irritate the old crowd there. Some of the old crowd there is touchy and juvenile, and so now there's a mini-war going on. It's like watching a couple of 6 year olds fighting over a trinket. (If Torba wants an idea, he can put in a filter that censors all the tiresome profanity.)

This is something I don't understand about Fuentes. He's a gifted speaker and sharp, perhaps the most impressive 20-something communicators I've seen. He's a young man capable of strong, mature insight. But then he acts like an impudent child and trolls for no good reason. Why go to a site where people are aligned to your views and set about stirring the pot w/tastemaker snobbery and "ok boomer" type stuff?
 

KoolDoon

 
Banned
Protestant
Groypers have migrated to Gab since the ban and are busy trying to irritate the old crowd there. Some of the old crowd there is touchy and juvenile, and so now there's a mini-war going on. It's like watching a couple of 6 year olds fighting over a trinket. (If Torba wants an idea, he can put in a filter that censors all the tiresome profanity.)

This is something I don't understand about Fuentes. He's a gifted speaker and sharp, perhaps the most impressive 20-something communicators I've seen. He's a young man capable of strong, mature insight. But then he acts like an impudent child and trolls for no good reason. Why go to a site where people are aligned to your views and set about stirring the pot w/tastemaker snobbery and "ok boomer" type stuff?
Some of them are addicted to internet drama. That Beardson dude was seriously angry with KaiClips for using a certain meme or image as avatar. Sounded like that meme or whatever it was is a medal of honor reserved for people who partook in a certain internet war. I think he seriously said sth. like "you appropriate my history".
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Groypers have migrated to Gab since the ban and are busy trying to irritate the old crowd there. Some of the old crowd there is touchy and juvenile, and so now there's a mini-war going on. It's like watching a couple of 6 year olds fighting over a trinket. (If Torba wants an idea, he can put in a filter that censors all the tiresome profanity.)

This is something I don't understand about Fuentes. He's a gifted speaker and sharp, perhaps the most impressive 20-something communicators I've seen. He's a young man capable of strong, mature insight. But then he acts like an impudent child and trolls for no good reason. Why go to a site where people are aligned to your views and set about stirring the pot w/tastemaker snobbery and "ok boomer" type stuff?
I think there are a lot of things behind the scenes we can't see, so this is a guess and also taking the NJP's word for it.

The NJP's podcasters on the TRS site have talked about this situation. They are saying that they are poaching a lot of the "America First"/Nick Fuentes audience because they see it leads right back to Trump and then to the GOPe. They say they have added a lot of members from this rank who tell them that as they grew older (Nick's audience is young) they realize Civic Nationalism/America First, leads them right back to the GOPe, complete with sitting members of the GOP who put Israel first being the face of "American First", like Paul Goser. Is Paul Goser better than 99% of Washington DC? Hell yes. Will Paul Goser talk about anti-white discrimination and pass bills to protect Whites or Christians? Very unlikely. So the talk and bravado gets you no real world results.

A lot of the battle between America First and the NJP/White Nationalists was about optics. But now things are so dire in the USA for young white men, they believe optics no longer matter. In fact, trying to look good for normies is a losing cause at this point. If the normies don't get it by now, then they will never get it and it is time to move forward without them. Most the normies are starting to get it, so again the optics battle of 2018 is no longer necessary.

I don't know if Nick is bleeding audience to the NJP/White Nationalist side. Again, I am taking the NJP's word for it. But it seems very likely and I believe this is the reason for Nick and his crews behavior lately. They are frustrated. They put their butts on the line to push a political message. In 2018 and 19 it looked like they had won the battle. But now they realize they have two choices, either admit they were wrong and join the NJP side or crawl back to the GOPe and see if they can get a lower tier gig there.

Nick not going to Waukesha, where as the NJP doing so and the documentary they have coming out with Darryl Brooks admitting it was done intentionally, is a huge mistake on his part.
 

KoolDoon

 
Banned
Protestant
Fuentes does advocate for White identity, the NJP paints him a little unfairly, but him still putting hope in Trump is silly imho. I like most of his takes, but getting even in the slightest excited about Trump criticizing Netanyahu and to think that could mean a real change in Trump, is desperate.
I also think, Fuentes is too good for some of the yes-sayer-trolls he has around him. Some of the guys (there are other great AF content creators) are just gaming and trolling all day long and would lose all their audience if Fuentes disavows them. Franssen is great, Vince James too and KaiClips has some good political takes and Wurzelroot is good, but then there are these gamer-troll types, that expect respect from someone like KaiClips, although their whole authority is based on the good will of Fuentes.
 

fokm

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Gold Member
This is something I don't understand about Fuentes. He's a gifted speaker and sharp, perhaps the most impressive 20-something communicators I've seen. He's a young man capable of strong, mature insight. But then he acts like an impudent child and trolls for no good reason. Why go to a site where people are aligned to your views and set about stirring the pot w/tastemaker snobbery and "ok boomer" type stuff?
Because he is a homosexual turncoat.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Fuentes does advocate for White identity, the NJP paints him a little unfairly, but him still putting hope in Trump is silly imho. I like most of his takes, but getting even in the slightest excited about Trump criticizing Netanyahu and to think that could mean a real change in Trump, is desperate.
I also think, Fuentes is too good for some of the yes-sayer-trolls he has around him. Some of the guys (there are other great AF content creators) are just gaming and trolling all day long and would lose all their audience if Fuentes disavows them. Franssen is great, Vince James too and KaiClips has some good political takes and Wurzelroot is good, but then there are these gamer-troll types, that expect respect from someone like KaiClips, although their whole authority is based on the good will of Fuentes.
The infighting in the right wing dissident sphere is pretty sad, but then again you have to look at who is funding what avenue and understand some of it is simply controlled opposition.

If Nick just stuck to his lines about supporting Trump and Trump style GOPe candidates he wouldn't be attacked so much. The problem is if he does this, then is he really any different than 2021 Charlie Kirk, who has moved strongly to the right after Trump's loss?

Nick has some very good political insight but he lost the optics battle and now he is sort of in no man's land. He made the mistake of attacking "wignats" and not ignoring them or reaching out to them. But his biggest mistake has been not pushing Waukesha harder (stage a protest there) and then even worse calling the Patriot Front "Feds". The Patriot Front thing was probably the end for him, unless he comes out an apologizes and reaches out to the White Nationalist side.

If he was smart he would reach out to the Patriot Front leader, Thomas Rousseau and just give him a fair shake of what his beliefs are and the purpose of their rally. I think they could have a friendly exchange of ideas and agree to disagree. Just dismissing him and calling him a "Fed" like the rest of the GOPe is a very big mistake.

What made me question Nick Fuentes was when his former partner James Allsup actually did infiltrate the GOP and had a local political position. When it came to light he had White Nationalist views (at that time no different than Nick's views of today) the GOP kicked him out. And yet Nick says we need to "infiltrate the GOP" when it was already done by his partner and it was not allowed.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I believe it was from this one


So I went and watched this entire interview - the part where Fuentes is asked about not having any sort of romantic or sexual experience isn't really as much of a own as you would think from just watching the clip of it that was floating around on Twitter. He doesn't stammer or seem otherwise shaken up on it. He gives his thoughts on why he think he is still qualified to speak on the women issue and the woman on the show gives her own opinion about how it seems strange he has such strong opinions on issues that he has no personal experience with. The context of this was that Nick had talked about how he would like to US to model a country like Russia or Hungary and how he doesn't believe authoritarianism is inherently bad. The woman then asks if he has ever lived outside in the US or in any sort of authoritarian society. When he replies no the woman then asks how does he know this is the sort of society he wants to live in if he's never had experience with it. That's what leads to her asking him about his experience with women.
 

The Resilient

Ostrich
Orthodox
Do not personally attack anyone
Because he is a homosexual turncoat.
I'm getting that vibe, I'd like to be wrong, but nothing else makes logical sense other than him being an emotionally immature autist that doesn't go further due to that fact.

That's not meant as a slight to Nick, i just think his trolling just gets in his own way for moving forward. :hmm:
 
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It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Do not personally attack anyone
I'm getting that vibe, I'd like to be wrong, but nothing else makes logical sense other than him being an emotionally immature autist that doesn't go further due to that fact.

That's not meant as a slight to Nick, i just think his trolling just gets in his own way for moving forward. :hmm:
He is still young, immature and living in some denial through his association with the former "Ironybros". Eventually he will have to admit the "wignats" were right and join them and bring his group of young groypers over to their side. Or he will go by the wayside as his followers move over the wignats without him.

I think he is struggling with this fact and doesn't put much thought into women. He is, as you said, likely emotionally immature and is focused on how his life has blown up (both good and bad) and where to go with it. He has lots of valid points about women, mostly that they shouldn't be involved in politics, but I don't think he knows how to calmly state this fact or at least is caught off guard when questioned about it. The simple answer is "one vote per household, single women don't get drafted so they don't vote" and leave it at that.
 
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