Nick Fuentes

The Resilient

Ostrich
Orthodox
The simple answer is "one vote per household, single women don't get drafted so they don't vote" and leave it at that.
His statement on that left me very impressed with his young mind. Hopefully he transcends his anchor of an angsty gen Z audience and positions himself forward into helping establish American white identity...
(We don't have one really anymore in America, and it's terribly frightening)
 

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I'd say guys like Vox Day, Cernovich (remember he was more hardcore then), Milo, Matt Walsh, Alex Jones, Owen Shroyer, Ben Shapiro even. Roosh too. Even some factions I didn't like, like Richard Spencer and that crew, or Molyneux or Bill Mitchell. It just seemed like we had more star power back then, and the message was fresh. Our side had a ton of energy. It's not like any of these guys went anywhere, but many of them pivoted, got deplatformed, or just kind of got stale.
Hardcore, indeed a good choice of words. Didn't he admit to fornicating with a transexual?
And a good bit of the rest of those types turned out to be just Israel Firsters / Explore Talent sex models (it's mostly the women but a few "conservative homosexual influencers" were recruited by Jewish pornographers at ET.

But I get what you're saying. I even liked the Richard Spencer of that era. And Molyneaux though he was a little too cerebral and afraid to touch the real issues. Anyway, it's more an issue of lack of good leadership today than it is anything (though the censorship is indeed worse).

But Alex Jones, if anything, is probably better now (he finally came out against Trump) and I don't know what happened to Owen Shroyer. One thing about Alex is he seems to destroy anyone who works closely with him, intentionally or not.

Right wing movements always do better under left wing leadership. The right was utterly demoralized under Trump. We are only a year into the Biden administration (though honestly he's more of a placeholder and not very left wing).

I imagine whatever comes next politically, whether some RINO Israel Firster or a radical leftist is going to really inspire something on the right.

Nick Fuentes I'm very hopeful for. There is a lot I disagree with him on, but he was only 19 when I discovered him (maybe he's what, 22 now?) and my political views worked themselves through a variety of positions since I was that age, so I expect his views to change significantly. He's a good speaker and motivator and leader, though quite a narcissist, but honestly look around at Zoomer America and tell me you are going to do better.
 

nathan

Robin
Catholic
Hardcore, indeed a good choice of words. Didn't he admit to fornicating with a transexual?
And a good bit of the rest of those types turned out to be just Israel Firsters / Explore Talent sex models (it's mostly the women but a few "conservative homosexual influencers" were recruited by Jewish pornographers at ET.

But I get what you're saying. I even liked the Richard Spencer of that era. And Molyneaux though he was a little too cerebral and afraid to touch the real issues. Anyway, it's more an issue of lack of good leadership today than it is anything (though the censorship is indeed worse).

But Alex Jones, if anything, is probably better now (he finally came out against Trump) and I don't know what happened to Owen Shroyer. One thing about Alex is he seems to destroy anyone who works closely with him, intentionally or not.

Right wing movements always do better under left wing leadership. The right was utterly demoralized under Trump. We are only a year into the Biden administration (though honestly he's more of a placeholder and not very left wing).

I imagine whatever comes next politically, whether some RINO Israel Firster or a radical leftist is going to really inspire something on the right.

Nick Fuentes I'm very hopeful for. There is a lot I disagree with him on, but he was only 19 when I discovered him (maybe he's what, 22 now?) and my political views worked themselves through a variety of positions since I was that age, so I expect his views to change significantly. He's a good speaker and motivator and leader, though quite a narcissist, but honestly look around at Zoomer America and tell me you are going to do better.

I give the manosphere a lot of credit for seeding what ultimately became MAGA, at least online. Obviously the MAGA political agenda already existed for a long time pre-roosh/roissy/etc but it seemed to me like our guys had a pretty pivotal influence early on, culturally, which especially snowballed online. Nowadays even normies are aware of what "red-pilled" means in the context of politics and other things.

I was talking to my friend the other day and we were wondering if this ostensible leadership void is actually just because the original movement is pretty mature and mainstream now. Nowadays everybody and their dog is promoting the same types of themes that only a few people online were talking about in 2014. So it's harder to stand out and take charge now unless you really push the envelope.

As far as zoomers go, I like John Doyle more.
 

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I think the lack of leadership is just because the Generation X is moving on, moving away, tuning out, getting married, or just fading from public view in general, and there is nothing to replace them. There was a severe lack of leaders in Gen X as compared to prior generations, and this trend is only that much worse for Zoomers and whatever is coming after them. I mean who other than Nick Fuentes and the chosen entertainers is even a public figure of any type in the 25 and under age group?

You can pick any category of people -- philosophers, actors, political thinkers, athletes, youtubers (ie compare Stephan Moly or Alex Jones to someone like "Destiny" or "Vaush") and this newer generation is not giving us their best.

What happens when you destruct 60% of marriages and raise a generation without a traditional family, AND have a terrible government / social education system in its place?
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
I like Nick, but he could not handle being on Gab. He denigrated all Gab users when some of his hot takes were called out.
Many of his opinions are good, but that groyper thing is toxic. They literally worship Nick and that is why, he can't accept to have been fooled by Trump, but still argues a long the line "well, Trump's stance on the vaccine is bad, but DeSantis is an even bigger zionist", and also cries around when people call him a hypocrite for claiming to fight Zionism and at the same time endorses Alex Jones who rather talks about the ChiComs. Think about Adam Greene what you want, but his criticism of Infowars is legit.

Cozy.TV is a good platform, but a guy called Dalton is on it, who is often on Omegle and when he spots someone who already looks lonely and low self-esteem, he ridicules that person in a cruel way. And even Vincent James, who I really liked, was in the chat, cheering for that. They call themselves Christians, but hunt people with low self-esteem to mock. It really shocked me to see someone sitting lonely in a dark room and then gets called ugly and a bunch of insults and people think, it's funny.

Today I watched Fuentes and that Spencer story came up. Fuentes called him a pedophile and Spencer then called him, threatened to beat him up, and Fuentes said, he wished he had recorded it and then given it to the police. I questioned that in the chat and was called a wignat and insults I won't repeat.

America First has good opinions, but the vibes I get from its protagonists are very dishonest and nasty. There is no humility and a sadistic joy to ridicule others and whenever someone strikes back, they act victim, and the group dynamic seems to be so toxic that I see it only getting worse.
 

nathan

Robin
Catholic
Many of his opinions are good, but that groyper thing is toxic. They literally worship Nick and that is why, he can't accept to have been fooled by Trump, but still argues a long the line "well, Trump's stance on the vaccine is bad, but DeSantis is an even bigger zionist", and also cries around when people call him a hypocrite for claiming to fight Zionism and at the same time endorses Alex Jones who rather talks about the ChiComs. Think about Adam Greene what you want, but his criticism of Infowars is legit.

Cozy.TV is a good platform, but a guy called Dalton is on it, who is often on Omegle and when he spots someone who already looks lonely and low self-esteem, he ridicules that person in a cruel way. And even Vincent James, who I really liked, was in the chat, cheering for that. They call themselves Christians, but hunt people with low self-esteem to mock. It really shocked me to see someone sitting lonely in a dark room and then gets called ugly and a bunch of insults and people think, it's funny.

Today I watched Fuentes and that Spencer story came up. Fuentes called him a pedophile and Spencer then called him, threatened to beat him up, and Fuentes said, he wished he had recorded it and then given it to the police. I questioned that in the chat and was called a wignat and insults I won't repeat.

America First has good opinions, but the vibes I get from its protagonists are very dishonest and nasty. There is no humility and a sadistic joy to ridicule others and whenever someone strikes back, they act victim, and the group dynamic seems to be so toxic that I see it only getting worse.

I think you nailed my opinion that I couldn't put into words above. There's an underlying current of cruelty that I pick up from Fuentes and his circles.

Ultimately they're not wrong on very many issues, but I remember him dismissing and even insulting some of his own fans back when I used to watch his show.
 

just a human

 
Banned
Atheist
A bit sad to read these last posts.
Fuentes generation really is kinda strange , because they are rised more by internet rather than real life. In games, you can be a hero without a real power. Virtually, you can call people different names, without real life consequences, without a risk of being beaten or even killed. Such things never existed before - in real life, there always was a naturally achieved hierarchy of leaders, who proved themselves as strongest ones ( in many aspects) and the rest. Now it seems kinda fake...
 

William Faulkner

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I think the lack of leadership is just because the Generation X is moving on, moving away, tuning out, getting married, or just fading from public view in general, and there is nothing to replace them. There was a severe lack of leaders in Gen X as compared to prior generations, and this trend is only that much worse for Zoomers and whatever is coming after them. I mean who other than Nick Fuentes and the chosen entertainers is even a public figure of any type in the 25 and under age group?

You can pick any category of people -- philosophers, actors, political thinkers, athletes, youtubers (ie compare Stephan Moly or Alex Jones to someone like "Destiny" or "Vaush") and this newer generation is not giving us their best.

What happens when you destruct 60% of marriages and raise a generation without a traditional family, AND have a terrible government / social education system in its place?
You are right about Generation X. In my opinion Generation X was/is a lost generation as the Baby Boomers never relinquished their death grip on corporate and government power. Many seemed to understand this and I think it was reflected in the apathetic pop culture which surrounded them growing up. Gen X was the last generation which had rock n roll - and most of it was quite emo and downright depressing. They also were the last generation which saw the world pre and post internet....which is actually powerful knowledge. I think that might be the only saving grace which might lead to a Gen X leader of some kind one day. They never rose above the ranks of the Boomers. The Zoomers are going to be even more lost but they seem to have already inherited more power than Gen X. They are the first generation of children which do not know the world without internet, cell phones, email, etc. They seem to be untethered to reality even more than Gen X. But then again the nature of reality itself is changing. Zoomers will navigate and adapt to the meta verse, crypto currency future no problem. Gen X will be more like younger Boomers with less money. They'll be more likely to try to drop out. Obscenely wealthy and connected Zoomers will inherit more from the Boomers than Gen X ever did. I don't know much of Fuentes but he seems to really enjoy stirring the pot. He not an intellectual and I'm not really sure what ideology he's pushing other than a cult of personality type thing.
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
I would like to see studies on videogames and its effect on the brain and character of young people. Often I have the impression, that they treat others like characters in a game. If they can gain points by being nice, they are nice, but if there are points to make by being cruel and sadistic, they switch into terror mode, and like when playing a game, there is no moral self-reflection.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
I would like to see studies on videogames and its effect on the brain and character of young people. Often I have the impression, that they treat others like characters in a game. If they can gain points by being nice, they are nice, but if there are points to make by being cruel and sadistic, they switch into terror mode, and like when playing a game, there is no moral self-reflection.

Video games don't cause you to be a murderer or rapist ala the Manchurian Candidate but the behavioral studies conducted indicate that video games can increase aggressive behavior. Speaking anecdotally, I've never thrown a book or magazine but I've thrown many video game controllers from childhood to adulthood.

 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
Nick Fuentes is the only person who is even remotely capable of bringing God back into American politics, if you don't unconditionally support him at this point then you're NGMI
By God we mean the Christian God, the Holy Trinity. On Cozy there are at least two people who define God different. KaiClips, a Mormon, and Bryson Gray, a unitarian or modalist. If I am not wrong, I heard Nick call Bryson Gray a Christian rapper. Bryson Gray is not a Christian, because he does not believe, that God is one in essence and three in person.

Nick has many good takes, but it would be to his own benefit, if his fans would call him out on his contradictions, of which there are some. Another one, he called Elijah Schaeffer gay, now he endorses him.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
By God we mean the Christian God, the Holy Trinity. On Cozy there are at least two people who define God different. KaiClips, a Mormon, and Bryson Gray, a unitarian or modalist. If I am not wrong, I heard Nick call Bryson Gray a Christian rapper. Bryson Gray is not a Christian, because he does not believe, that God is one in essence and three in person.

Nick has many good takes, but it would be to his own benefit, if his fans would call him out on his contradictions, of which there are some. Another one, he called Elijah Schaeffer gay, now he endorses him.

Same with Scott Greer, who I believe is nominally Protestant but seems indifferent towards Christianity and contemptuous of Catholics.
 

Zach

Sparrow
Catholic
Many of his opinions are good, but that groyper thing is toxic. They literally worship Nick and that is why, he can't accept to have been fooled by Trump, but still argues a long the line "well, Trump's stance on the vaccine is bad, but DeSantis is an even bigger zionist", and also cries around when people call him a hypocrite for claiming to fight Zionism and at the same time endorses Alex Jones who rather talks about the ChiComs. Think about Adam Greene what you want, but his criticism of Infowars is legit.

Cozy.TV is a good platform, but a guy called Dalton is on it, who is often on Omegle and when he spots someone who already looks lonely and low self-esteem, he ridicules that person in a cruel way. And even Vincent James, who I really liked, was in the chat, cheering for that. They call themselves Christians, but hunt people with low self-esteem to mock. It really shocked me to see someone sitting lonely in a dark room and then gets called ugly and a bunch of insults and people think, it's funny.

Today I watched Fuentes and that Spencer story came up. Fuentes called him a pedophile and Spencer then called him, threatened to beat him up, and Fuentes said, he wished he had recorded it and then given it to the police. I questioned that in the chat and was called a wignat and insults I won't repeat.

America First has good opinions, but the vibes I get from its protagonists are very dishonest and nasty. There is no humility and a sadistic joy to ridicule others and whenever someone strikes back, they act victim, and the group dynamic seems to be so toxic that I see it only getting worse.

The Groypers are not toxic. That's a feminine critique. That's like literally what that Sydney Watson woman was nagging Nick about on Elijah Shaefer's stream. It was hilarious. The Groypers are a sort of internet-based, 21st century fraternal order. They are brash, abrasive, trolling, etc. but they are good guys and their hearts are in the right places. I'm on the older side (28) for a Groyper, but I've been to several of their events, particularly Stop The Steal. Great guys, full of life and vitality. Real Human Beings. Comprised of probably 70% zoomers and 30% young millenials, its an internet phenomenon. Those older just aren't going to get it. Some do, but most don't. They grew up in a world devoid of real emotion and full of NPCs. Can you blame their rebellion?

I've been following Nick since around 2017/2018, and watch him religiously. He is not a Trump shill, he just recognizes Trump as our only/best current political option. Trump will probably run in 2024. DeSantis is objectively worse than Trump. He's clarified this at least two dozen times.

You're totally wrong with the Alex Jones/Adam Greene stuff. I used to believe all that nonsense, then realized Adam Greene is a wignat Jew-obsessed pagan. Alex Jones is an OG, and I believe at some point he realized that the zionist agenda is only one part of this NWO endgame, and there are many other elite factions in the mix. He used to name them, but doesn't anymore. I used to think it was because he was captured by zionist interest at some point, but him repeatedly having Nick on his show lately, exposing him to millions? of listeners, says otherwise. Someone captured by zionist interests wouldn't do that. Nick is too dangerous to the zionist establishment. Alex Jones is a legend, anyone who fails to see that just hasn't properly thought it through, in my opinion.

I have watched some of Dalton Clodfelter's streams, I am not a big fan of his personality, but he's trying to make money and "content is king" zoomers want edgier and edgier content. People on Omegle know full well they are potential targets for ridicule. Its goes with the turf.

Honestly based on what you've said, you do sound more aligned with the wignat side of the isle. If you have a problem with Cozy.tv's abrasive masculine personalities, and anti-women stance, people like Adam Greene/Red Ice/TRS/NJP sound like more your speed. One thing to mention however, those people are pagan/gay/athiests, not Christian. I've followed them too, and they exhibit many more character flaws than AF & crew, because they aren't Christian. James Allsup, for example, is a complete degenerate. Not a good guy. Nick, while brutally honest, is a good hearted guy, and a genius.
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
I am 34 and watched Infowars for years. I thought of Alex Jones as a zionist shill before Adam Green criticized him. I mentioned him, because his criticism is on point.

Having a problem with Fuentes endorsing Alex Jones, and a handpicked streamer on Nick's site destroying the already low self-esteem of lonely teenagers - if you want to call that feminine and throw around with names, I think, you argue in bad faith.

TOne thing to mention however, those people are pagan/gay/athiests, not Christian. I've followed them too, and they exhibit many more character flaws than AF & crew, because they aren't Christian. James Allsup, for example, is a complete degenerate. Not a good guy. Nick, while brutally honest, is a good hearted guy, and a genius.
But AF is a Christian movement? Where is the Christian virtue in Dalton Clodfelter's content and in Nick making it possible for him to make money with it by allowing him on his plattform? Where is the Christian virtue in having KaiClips, a Mormon, and Bryson Gray, an unitarian or a modalist, but call themselves Christians (which is a lie, they are both non-christian heretics), on Cozy?
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Honestly based on what you've said, you do sound more aligned with the wignat side of the isle. If you have a problem with Cozy.tv's abrasive masculine personalities, and anti-women stance, people like Adam Greene/Red Ice/TRS/NJP sound like more your speed. One thing to mention however, those people are pagan/gay/athiests, not Christian. I've followed them too, and they exhibit many more character flaws than AF & crew, because they aren't Christian. James Allsup, for example, is a complete degenerate. Not a good guy. Nick, while brutally honest, is a good hearted guy, and a genius.

The TRS guys have a great Christian podcast named "Godcast". I have found it very useful in applying Christianity to the issues we face in the modern world and also they do deep dives into Biblical scripture. I state this because the NJP/TRS guys are not all pagans or atheists, many are in fact Christian themselves. Borzoi has talked a lot about joining the church for a healthy place for his young family to socialize and share with others, and recommends it to his listeners.

I'm not sure why you refer to James Allsup as a "degenerate". Maybe there is more to him than I know about. He did an amazing job with his podcasts and has since stepped down. I assumed it was because he is now married with young children and is more focused on raising his children. Is there a specific reason you consider him a "degenerate"?
 

Zach

Sparrow
Catholic
I am 34 and watched Infowars for years. I thought of Alex Jones as a zionist shill before Adam Green criticized him. I mentioned him, because his criticism is on point.

You're probably at the age of not understanding, sorry to say. You've been programed and nannied into civility over offending for too long. The zoomers who have woken up are hungry for drama, for real interaction. Alex Jones can't be a zionist shill while allowing Nick Fuentes to destroy Robert Barnes on that topic in front of millions of viewers.

Having a problem with Fuentes endorsing Alex Jones, and a handpicked streamer on Nick's site destroying the already low self-esteem of lonely teenagers - if you want to call that feminine and throw around with names, I think, you argue in bad faith.


But AF is a Christian movement? Where is the Christian virtue in Dalton Clodfelter's content and in Nick making it possible for him to make money with it by allowing him on his plattform? Where is the Christian virtue in having KaiClips, a Mormon, and Bryson Gray, an unitarian or a modalist, but call themselves Christians (which is a lie, they are both non-christian heretics), on Cozy?

It's how young guys interact.. especially the 4chan internet types. There's a lot of bullying/trolling that goes on on the internet. Is it Christian behavior? No.

Nick's building a large coalition, and the AF movement is broadly Christian, as is America. I don't believe Cozy is being pitched as either a Christian, or even completely right-wing site going forward. It is, for now, but Nick has mentioned that he wants to create a usable streaming platform that is legitimately free-speech, not explicitly a right wing free speech platform.

However, Adam Greene is explicitly anti-Christian, and Pagan. As are RedIce, and TRS/etc. You seem to want to attack AF as not Christian enough, while ignoring the fact that most of the wignats you align with aren't Christian AT ALL.
 

Zach

Sparrow
Catholic
The TRS guys have a great Christian podcast named "Godcast". I have found it very useful in applying Christianity to the issues we face in the modern world and also they do deep dives into Biblical scripture. I state this because the NJP/TRS guys are not all pagans or atheists, many are in fact Christian themselves. Borzoi has talked a lot about joining the church for a healthy place for his young family to socialize and share with others, and recommends it to his listeners.

I'm not sure why you refer to James Allsup as a "degenerate". Maybe there is more to him than I know about. He did an amazing job with his podcasts and has since stepped down. I assumed it was because he is now married with young children and is more focused on raising his children. Is there a specific reason you consider him a "degenerate"?

He tried to screw Nick out of thousands of dollars early on, apparently withheld an expensive special gift that was for Nick which was mailed to his address by accident by a fan, is a known alcoholic, bragged about fornicating with lots of women, etc. Didn't he have a child out of wedlock, or a shotgun wedding, something like that?
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
He tried to screw Nick out of thousands of dollars early on, apparently withheld an expensive special gift that was for Nick which was mailed to his address by accident by a fan, is a known alcoholic, bragged about fornicating with lots of women, etc. Didn't he have a child out of wedlock, or a shotgun wedding, something like that?
I honestly never heard what caused the Nick and James beef. I know they had a podcast together back in like 2015 and 2016 and I heard the last podcast they did together, I thought it was great, and then they split. All of that could be true, I have never heard of it before. Judging someone on what they did at 20 years old, under the old guise of "sin is fun" isn't a good judge of that man years later. If he still behaves this way, I would very much agree it is wrong. I don't think he does, from what little I could gather is he got engaged, got married, and had a child or two.

I personally think both TRS and AF are great, and I listen to both. I think it is of utter importance that the two sides bury the hatchet and work together. But I don't see this happening until the ability to force the GOP to go America First is determined. If the GOP can be pushed into America First policies and they get them through congress, before the bottom drops out, then the AF guys won and the TRS guys will have to admit they were wrong. And vice versa is the GOP remains the party of big business, open borders, and endless military funding, despite their base hating all these things.

I recommend both groups to give you a bigger/more open view of how to move forward in our degenerate society.
 
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