Nick Fuentes

BerkhofBerghof

Sparrow
Protestant
whenever the leader of an organization or large group constantly has falling outs with people close to him and constantly claims that those people betrayed him, it's the leader who has the problem.
And the accusations sound reasonable. I now watched the entire thing and the way Baked Alaska, Franssen and others present it, is so not true. If you have half a million in the bank, drive a nice car, and then you pay people, friends, minimum wage, that alone speaks volumes. And to react jokingly to Waukesha, who does that. Dead women and dead children and silly humour comes to your mind? And the guy forms young men in his image, his followers adapt to his character. This is presented to us as the hardcore Christian right-wing opposition.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
And to react jokingly to Waukesha, who does that. Dead women and dead children and silly humour comes to your mind?

The Waukesha remarks were pretty repulsive. The most innocent people in our nation were slaughtered by a black nationalist felon during a Christmas parade. It was one of the clear cut examples of aggression against white Christians and a scathing indictment on criminal justice “reform.”

Instead Nick resorts to edgy 4chan/encyclopedia dramatics humor like it was 2008. I don’t know where he got off calling Jim a nihilist given he had such a callous attitude towards the Waukesha massacre and the flagrant media memory hole.
 

mountainaire

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
The Waukesha remarks were pretty repulsive.
Something that never happened. You're spreading false rumors about Nick because you're getting sucked into the petty drama sphere of the internet.

Provide a clip of him saying that. You can't because it doesn't exist. I'm not sure what the Catholic church's stance on slander, libel, and gossip is, but you might want to check that out before you continue down this road.

Jim is a self admitted degenerate atheist, who shilled covid fear porn and you're taking up common cause with him.
 
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DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
This thread is not for slandering or gossiping about Nick. If you have complaints about something he has said, post a link to those comments, otherwise it will be considered libel and will be addressed accordingly.

Keep criticisms civil and productive. Public figures are people too; plenty of decent people have had awful things said about them without evidence.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
This thread is not for slandering or gossiping about Nick. If you have complaints about something he has said, post a link to those comments, otherwise it will be considered libel and will be addressed accordingly.

Keep criticisms civil and productive. Public figures are people too; plenty of decent people have had awful things said about them without evidence.

I’ll leave the Waukesha thing at this since this is the only existing proof available. A groyper tweeted about the dead girls in the Waukesha massacre growing up to sleep with black men. A guy called Nick out on it and they had this exchange where he was making light of the whole thing: “they were kids? You mean you didn’t cry??”

I don’t think it’s gossip or libel to say that Nick doesn’t disavow a statement mocking the murder of children but rather makes fun of the guy for taking exception to it. The receipts are here.

You can agree or disagree. At any rate, I’m done talking about it and Nick in general.



 

mountainaire

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
I’ll leave the Waukesha thing at this since this is the only existing proof available. A groyper tweeted about the dead girls in the Waukesha massacre growing up to sleep with black men. A guy called Nick out on it and they had this exchange where he was making light of the whole thing: “they were kids? You mean you didn’t cry??”

I don’t think it’s gossip or libel to say that Nick doesn’t disavow a statement mocking the murder of children but rather makes fun of the guy for taking exception to it. The receipts are here.

You can agree or disagree. At any rate, I’m done talking about it and Nick in general.




"A groyper tweeted". I thought it was Nick himself who said that? That was the initial claim leveled against him, which you propagated. Now it's a "groyper" AKA some rando online? Nick is responsible for everything his supporters say? Does Roosh have to come here and publicly disavow every distasteful thing someone here may have posted? It's a ridiculous argument, and dishonest.

You and others were accusing Nick of saying this remark. You just proved he didn't. You should not stoop to this low level of petty online gossip.
 
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Maurice Ravel

Sparrow
Catholic
Do not gossip or use profanity
Got to hear Nick's side of the story. But it's not looking good. Allsup, Casey, Lloyd and now McNeil, too many of the closest ones around him have left. There is a possibility that they were all talking shit, and Nick really is a good guy, but that becomes increasingly unlikely as the list of people speaking out against him grows.
 

mountainaire

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
Got to hear Nick's side of the story. But it's not looking good. Allsup, Casey, Lloyd and now McNeil, too many of the closest ones around him have left. There is a possibility that they were all talking shit, and Nick really is a good guy, but that becomes increasingly unlikely as the list of people speaking out against him grows.
So far the accusations are "He's gay, he didn't give me money, and he was mean to me." You listed 4 people, over the course of his divisive 6 year long streaming and political commentary career.

When Roosh left PUA, how many were calling him various insults? I remember they were saying he was "low test" "fanatic" "went off the deep end" etc. There is no shortage of petty, greedy, and disloyal people out there.
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Catholic
Gold Member
Ultimately, I think that Nick has been a force for good for right wing youth in America. I remember after the Groyper war he made a call for everyone serious about change to start chasing after influential positions and not just dropping out of society. Around that time I was one of those people planning on dropping out of society - moving to Brazil and working as an English teacher. While I'm still living abroad, I've started pursuing greater things after hearing that call to action. My aspirations have more purpose than before and along my current path there are ways that I can tangibly be a part of bringing down the system. This doesn't even begin to get into how influential he was at a time when I was embracing my faith. I already had one foot in the church at the time but he was a big part of me leaving my old ways completely behind me. This is the case for thousands of young men who have gone deeper into their faith because of him.

I watched the Jaden and Simon stream and It did get me pretty concerned. But what's more concerning is Nick's "response" stream last night. The aloof, not worth responding to, above it all atitude might work with petty beef against like Richard Spencer or something. But when two people who used to be your close friends come out and make somewhat reasonable claims about your honesty and leadership behind the scenes then you need to address the claims made. Jaden and Simon made the point that he is severing all of his political connections and destroying his movement. Time will tell if this is true. It sounds like Nick was genuine and started something truly special but is being misguided by his ego, something I have personally noticed in the past year or so.

If he could clear this all up I would still 100% support him, but its not looking like he will "lower" himself to address this.
Got to hear Nick's side of the story. But it's not looking good. Allsup, Casey, Lloyd and now McNeil, too many of the closest ones around him have left. There is a possibility that they were all talking shit, and Nick really is a good guy, but that becomes increasingly unlikely as the list of people speaking out against him grows.

Did he appear on someone's show to respond to the Jaden stream the other night?
 

JoeChill

Kingfisher
Protestant
Gold Member
Nick had a great take on Roe v. Wade and the need for pro-lifers to show support for the Supreme Court's leaked ruling. All of Satan's minions will be howling in support of that law and trying to intimidate the judges into reversing their course on Roe v. Wade. Even getting pro-lifers to send the Supreme Court countless letters of support would be a good idea. Liberum Arbitrium had a good clip of Nick here:
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
So far the accusations are "He's gay, he didn't give me money, and he was mean to me." You listed 4 people, over the course of his divisive 6 year long streaming and political commentary career.
Hi, I'm going to address this to you so there can be a coherent pro vs. con.

People with whom Nick has had a falling out or who have disavowed him. There's a pattern in the way Nick handled these break-ups that fits what Jaden and Simon are saying now.

Kassie Dillon
James Allsup
Patrick Casey
Jaden McNeil
Jake Lloyd
Simon Dickerman
John Doyle
Congressman Paul Gosar
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green
Brittany Venti

The most significant accusation I heard from Jaden and Simon during the stream I linked was that the FBI returned the $500K to Nick many months ago, but that he has continued to claim it was seized in order to help his fundraising. Without papers that would probably only come from a court order the accusation relies on credibility and I find the accusers credible.

EDIT: Corrected Simon's surname.
 
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Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Simon accused Nick of inflating his viewer numbers on Cozy.tv by having a line of code that would be a multiplier of approx. 2x in order to increase his perceived viewer count. Simon said that when DLive banned Nick (I made a note at the time that this happened on Jan. 9, 2021, a few days after the Jan 6 Stop the Steal protests), they were getting 8-9K viewers (this agrees with my general recollection), and when they had to switch over to Americafirst.live it had dropped to 5K, but by the time that they got to Cozy.tv, it was down to 3-4K, and that Nick wanted to keep the numbers up so that his small group of large donors, up on whom he is mainly dependent for his income (he and Jaden both claim he is a millionaire), that those major donors would think that his movement was going well.

Simon is offering alleged evidence of this on his telegram channel, where apparently the real number of viewers is published accurately for all Cozy.tv streamers on the site within the code, but at the same time the artificially increased number shows up in the graphics of the stream. Apparently Simon is a coder, but this is not conclusive proof, it would be easy to fake this evidence for the screenshots, however it is some kind of substantiation of the accusations he made during the stream.





EDIT: added Simon's tweet of explanation about the viewer count numbers.
 
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mountainaire

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
Kassie Dillon - Nick was right out of high school at the time, and this person "disavowed" Nick because he was too far right.
James Allsup - "He didn't give me money"
Patrick Casey - ??
Jaden McNeil - "He didn't give me money"
Jake Lloyd - ??
Simon Dickerman - ??
John Doyle - Still on good terms
Congressman Paul Gosar - Still on good terms
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green - Still on good terms
Brittany Venti - a literal E-thot

"He's gay, his viewers are fake, he's mean, etc" is very weak. Yes, his numbers are fake, they're all bots. No one watches him. That's why everyone's talking about him, right? These criticisms don't even line up. It's a giant contradiction, and comes across as a desperate attempt of character assassination.

AFPAC III was amazing, AFPAC IV will be huge. Twitter is opening back up, and he's going to reach even more people. They're trying to smother the baby in crib so to speak.
 
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earam8778

 
Banned
Catholic

What do you think of this? Doesn't look good on Nick. And I think you're missing the bigger picture which is Nicks' character. Forget the gay allegations and viewership numbers, what everyone seems to be talking about his personality, and how everyone is distancing themselves from him because of it.
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
"He's gay, his viewers are fake, he's mean, etc" is very weak. Yes, his numbers are fake, they're all bots. No one watches him. That's why everyone's talking about him, right? These criticisms don't even line up. It's a giant contradiction, and comes across as a desperate attempt of character assassination.

AFPAC III was amazing, AFPAC IV will be huge. Twitter is opening back up, and he's going to reach even more people. They're trying to smother the baby in crib so to speak.

I think Simon's accusation about viewer numbers is more about honesty than about whether the numbers are high or low. I don't think Simon questions Nick's popularity or his ability to attract viewers.

About the Representatives, Gosar said publicly about a month ago that Nick had a problem with his mouth and said it was a mistake that his video was sent to them. Is there some kind of update showing a resolution to this between Gosar and Nick?

Politico said:
Gosar finally speaks: Rep. Paul Gosar is blaming his video appearance last month at a white nationalist-organized conference on his staff. The Arizona Republican also says he’s done with event organizer Nick Fuentes, a far-right fringe figure who's trafficked in racist and antisemitic rhetoric.

Gosar’s denial — among the first public remarks he’s given on the matter — comes nearly a month after the furor over his appearance at Fuentes' event consumed the House GOP. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Gosar both appeared at Fuentes' America First Political Action Conference. Greene spoke in person, while Gosar's office sent in a video.

What he’s saying: “It wasn't supposed to go to Nick’s group,” Gosar told POLITICO, noting that a staffer “misconstrued” directions from his chief of staff. The tape was intended to go to other groups as a general “welcome video," he added.
“We're kind of short-handed,” he said. “And there was miscommunication.”

Shrugging it off: He dismissed the idea that a video of him speaking constituted a form of involvement in the Fuentes-organized conference, which he spoke in person at in 2021.

The video "just basically said 'welcome to the Miami area. Have a great conference. The United States is at a crisis point,'” Gosar said. He added that the groups “authorized” to receive the video included American Principles and Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), not America First.
(Both CPAC and America First took place in Orlando, not Miami.)

Another Rag quoting Politico said:
“The young people that were being misled by somebody — we should be trying to mentor, trying to change them. I’ve given up … on dealing with Nick. Nick’s got a problem with his mouth.”

After Greene appeared at AFPAC III and was questioned about it the next day, she said she knew nothing about Nick and didn't realize she was at his event. How are they on good terms?



As Greene began to receive backlash for her participation, she distanced herself from Nick Fuentes, the founder of AFPAC. "I don't know Nick Fuentes. I've never seen him speak. I've never seen a video. I don't know what his views are," she insisted to a CBS News reporter. "I went to talk to them about America First policies and I talked to them about what's important for our country going forward."

And in a statement emailed to Newsweek on Saturday, Greene said: "I am not going to play the guilt by association game in which you demand every conservative should justify anything ever said by anyone they've ever shared a room with. I'm not going to be drawn into that. I'm only responsible for what I say."
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox

What do you think of this? Doesn't look good on Nick. And I think you're missing the bigger picture which is Nicks' character. Forget the gay allegations and viewership numbers, what everyone seems to be talking about his personality, and how everyone is distancing themselves from him because of it.

That doesn't look good on John Doyle. Watched most of it, it's just profanity and insults.
 

mountainaire

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
That doesn't look good on John Doyle. Watched most of it, it's just profanity and insults.
You'll find that to be a common theme in the recent attempts at character assassination. Very little actual substance to anything. People sifting through old clips to find a sound byte here and there, going to people that Nick had a falling out with and getting them to talk bad about him, it's just the lowest hanging fruit.

I can understand if people don't like Nick, but what I don't understand are these people putting in work trying to destroy him. The world is on fire and they're putting in hours to take down the real problem, Nick Fuentes a zoomer conservative. A lot of the things people are criticizing Nick for are just facets of online zoomer (I'm in my 30's observing from afar) culture. I could see why a young guy like Nick would rub people the wrong way, but he's leading a YOUNG conservative movement.

He's not your cup of tea? Fine, but stay out of his way. For the young conservatives out there, his movement is one of the very few that isn't jewish astroturf.

 
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Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
You guys want receipts?

Here’s the Christian, alpha savior of the white race talking about how Madison Cawthorn putting his genitals in his male cousin’s face was “based.”

This should speak for itself that Nick, at the very least, approves of homosexual incestuous behavior.

If that’s still not enough for you that the guy has become completely unhinged, then I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s obvious that some people here have fully drank the koolaid but for those who haven’t, don’t trust Nick. He does not promote a sincere Christian message.
 

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mountainaire

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
You guys want receipts?

Here’s the Christian, alpha savior of the white race talking about how Madison Cawthorn putting his genitals in his male cousin’s face was “based.”

This should speak for itself that Nick, at the very least, approves of homosexual incestuous behavior.

If that’s still not enough for you that the guy has become completely unhinged, then I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s obvious that some people here have fully drank the koolaid but for those who haven’t, don’t trust Nick. He does not promote a sincere Christian message.
He's saying that they released the blackmail on Cawthorne because he stepped out of line. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Why would you take issue with this? The zoomerspeak makes it a little hard to follow but the context is pretty clear here.

Again, why are you so desperate to find any little small tibit you can against Nick? It is very suspicious. Continuing to post kiwifarms level drivel here will probably get you banned. Just saying.
 
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