Nick Fuentes

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I've watched some of Nick's debates from 2016-2018, like the one with Destiny, and I think Nick did a good job. He was probably much younger than everyone he debated and he kept them entertaining.

Before, during, and after the Groyper Wars, and through Stop the Steal, Nick was presenting himself as a political leader, which is how I saw him. I think that has changed. What I see now is a self-indulgent entertainer and this "debate" he had with Jim Metokur from a couple of weeks ago is why I say that. It's entertainment and I would never follow someone like this in politics. Would you?

It's a two and a half hour stream, but you don't have to watch much to see what I'm talking about.

 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
I've watched some of Nick's debates from 2016-2018, like the one with Destiny, and I think Nick did a good job. He was probably much younger than everyone he debated and he kept them entertaining.

Before, during, and after the Groyper Wars, and through Stop the Steal, Nick was presenting himself as a political leader, which is how I saw him. I think that has changed. What I see now is a self-indulgent entertainer and this "debate" he had with Jim Metokur from a couple of weeks ago is why I say that. It's entertainment and I would never follow someone like this in politics. Would you?

It's a two and a half hour stream, but you don't have to watch much to see what I'm talking about.


I am genuinely confused that all these people saying Nick isn't serious, he's not professional, he's immature, are the ones using profanity and gossiping. I haven't watched one of Nick's shows in maybe a year or more, and I've never given him money, so it's not like I have a dog in this fight. But his treatment does not seem fair. All of these people just turned on him all at once, from his friends to his viewers. That, to me, doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on Nick, because if you do everything right, the world will hate you, and the people using profanity in every other sentence who now have disavowed Nick seem to my uninforned eyes, worldly. Granted I haven't followed him in a long time, but he was one of the very few zoomer dissident right guys who pushed Christianity AND no sex before marriage - that's an important “and,” as many others were self avowed incels, which is not espousing Christian values
 
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earam8778

 
Banned
Catholic
I am genuinely confused that all these people saying Nick isn't serious, he's not professional, he's immature, are the ones using profanity and gossiping. I haven't watched one of Nick's shows in maybe a year or more, and I've never given him money, so it's not like I have a dog in this fight. But his treatment does not seem fair. All of these people just turned on him all at once, from his friends to his viewers. That, to me, doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on Nick, because if you do everything right, the world will hate you, and the people using profanity in every other sentence who now have disavowed Nick seem to my uninforned eyes, worldly. Granted I haven't followed him in a long time, but he was one of the very few zoomer dissident right guys who pushed Christianity AND no sex before marriage - that's an important “and,” as many others were self avowed incels, which is not espousing Christian values
i actually agree. After revisiting a lot of videos and the remarks against Nick, the truth is that most of them are unfair and just hear-say slander.
 

nathan

Robin
Catholic
I've mentioned it before but there is a lack of talent across the board now. A big vacuum where the so-called "manosphere" used to be. Don't know what caused it, probably some combination of guys moving on to better things like Christianity, the once-niche ideas becoming mainstream, grifters, and everyone on our side with talent getting banned.

I guess I don't really care who is bickering with whom because today's up-and-comers mostly just exist to me as 30-second distractions when I want to take a quick break between tasks.
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Here is Paul Ramsey's / RAMZPAUL take on what is happening with America First. These are Paul's main points that I recall.

  • Taking AF into a bad direction that reminds him of how Spencer took the alt-right toward the neo-nazis.
  • Singing a chant for Putin at AFPAC 3.
  • Flying the Russian flag on his channel, ie. taking a side in a war that does not benefit America.
  • Disparaging women.
  • Repeatedly calling himself Stalin and admiring Stalin, who killed millions of white Christians.
  • If true, lying about the money seized by the feds.

Paul had a list of unfair accusations and gossip that mirrors what mountainaire has said in this thread.

Paul made a mistake and thought the accusation was that the money was never seized, whereas the accusation was that Nick led people to believe it was still seized long after it had been returned. His non-response to Metokur's question about this leads me to believe the accusation on this from Jaden and Simon is correct.



EDIT: Added Ramsey's comment about Stalin.
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I am genuinely confused that all these people saying Nick isn't serious, he's not professional, he's immature, are the ones using profanity and gossiping. I haven't watched one of Nick's shows in maybe a year or more, and I've never given him money, so it's not like I have a dog in this fight. But his treatment does not seem fair. All of these people just turned on him all at once, from his friends to his viewers. That, to me, doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on Nick, because if you do everything right, the world will hate you, and the people using profanity in every other sentence who now have disavowed Nick seem to my uninforned eyes, worldly. Granted I haven't followed him in a long time, but he was one of the very few zoomer dissident right guys who pushed Christianity AND no sex before marriage - that's an important “and,” as many others were self avowed incels, which is not espousing Christian values
Watch ten minutes of the debate with Metokur and Paul Ramsey's comments and see what you think. I think things have changed significantly.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
Watch ten minutes of the debate with Metokur and Paul Ramsey's comments and see what you think. I think things have changed significantly.
I regret getting involved in this personal feud. I'll hold my tongue until I see anything material. Surprised Mr. Ramsey got involved.
 

GuitarVH

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
Everything was explained in detail in his stream last night. I wouldn't side with gossipers and slanderers.

The entire thing about his bank account being under federal investigation is covered starting at around 23:40 of the stream.

I'm satisfied with his explanation of the attacks against him and will still watch him for analysis. The two ex-friends who betrayed him seek only to tear down a reputation out of spite and offer nothing positive or of value.


 

earam8778

 
Banned
Catholic
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There's always two sides to the story......
 

mountainaire

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
Nick will continue growing America First, and his haters will continue with their petty gossip. That's how it will go. None of these people will go out and make something better than what Nick has built, they'll just continue to take pot shots at him from the shadows.
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Everything was explained in detail in his stream last night. I wouldn't side with gossipers and slanderers.

The entire thing about his bank account being under federal investigation is covered starting at around 23:40 of the stream.

I'm satisfied with his explanation of the attacks against him and will still watch him for analysis. The two ex-friends who betrayed him seek only to tear down a reputation out of spite and offer nothing positive or of value.


Thanks for the link and time stamp. I'll take a look.

Edit: He totally danced around the question and never answered if the money was still seized or frozen. He just said it's under investigation.

We need Metokur to cross examine him to get a straight answer.
 
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Yeagerist

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
Nick effortlessly destroyed lolbert arguments on free trade while playing Civ, while the ancap guy in the sleeveless shirt kept mindlessly reading from some document. I wonder if he could collab with Keith Woods on the limits of anarcho-capitalism / libertarianism (I heard the latter wasn't exactly a fan of Fuentes but it's good to see more dissident Right speakers work together)



At this point I could consider myself a Third Positionist after years of being with libertarians. Their worldview is simply incompatible with Orthodoxy (or even Catholicism and Protestantism) because they have to reduce everything into a matter of "personal liberty" and private property, and reject other transcendental concepts like culture, morality and tradition because they uphold the NAP as the only absolute truth.

As for free trade vs protectionism, libertarians assume that the former automatically results in the reduction of government (and thus leading to "freedom") while the latter is evidence of big government. Well, the very history of the United States refutes this, as the federal government had primarily acquired its revenue from tariffs and duties before the establishment of the Federal Reserve and the income tax. Before which, you know, the massive expansion of government's powers over the lives of the average American. In contrast, all those things like NAFTA and outsourcing to China are initiated by the very same big government that had started countless wars for oil and for the bankers, spied on American civilians, devalued the dollar, etc. Monsieur Z does a good video on this.

 

Yeagerist

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
I'm honestly itching for some genuine Third Positionist vs Libertarian Ancap debate. Nick's America First a.k.a. paleocon worldview still comes off to me as midway between the two: in other words a repackaged GOP Tea Party conservatism that adapted to the emerging awareness of capitalism being used to push the globohomo agenda, but still assumes the inherent good of the United States' structure as a republic and the Constitution as the scriptures of the American civic religion.

The America First "faction" appears to hold itself together from being torn apart by the opposing influences of libertarianism and the Third Position. While both the latter two reject Big Pharma, Big Tech, the Fed, the neocons' endless wars and the military-industrial complex, on a deeper philosophical and moral aspect the two ideologies are polar opposites.

The libertarians, adhering to the Non-Aggression Principle, essentially promote moral relativism, materialism and nihilism by treating "personal liberty" and "private property" as the highest moral absolutes, the end-all and be-all of human existence. Their a priori economic reasoning leads to absurd ethical conclusions such as rejecting public-funded road projects as "immoral" but being okay with handing out drugs to kids and even p3d0philia "as long as the child consents." They oppose big corporations pushing woke agendas only because these enjoy government lobbying, but otherwise they would tolerate degeneracy as long as it doesn't violate their NAP. In this way, adhering to libertarianism makes one still susceptible to capitalist social engineering.

On the other hand, the Third Positionist dissident Right rejects capitalism as an equally destructive force on Western civilization, morality, culture and tradition, or in the very least a necessary evil where wealth creation and profit-seeking should be subordinated as tools to promote higher values.
 

BerkhofBerghof

Sparrow
Protestant
Thanks for the link and time stamp. I'll take a look.

Edit: He totally danced around the question and never answered if the money was still seized or frozen. He just said it's under investigation.

We need Metokur to cross examine him to get a straight answer.
Might be important to note that Jaden went on Kino Casino after Nick went off on him on, I think, seven streams. And his initial reaction to Jaden on KC was to pose 20 minutes to Kanye West music, without saying a word, just posing like a rapper with sunglasses and a winter jacket.

And he never really addressed the accusations, but only deflected. On the stream he talked about the whole thing, it turned out that Casey was right to be cautious, because Nick was under investigation to that time - he accidentally admitted it. Casey vindicated. And he never says who gave him the blackmail footage (whatever it is) on Casey. I suspect it's a certain person who seems to have become a major player in AF behind the scenes and who is co-responsible for the AFPAC III debacle.
MTG was brought to AFPAC III without knowing where she was and the next day she disavowed the event. That seemed awkwardly scripted to me.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Just finished watching this



Fuentes clearly triumphed in this debate. Barnes main arguments was the "Islamofascism is a threat to our security" cliché and that people like AOC and Ilhan Omar are anti-Israel and therefore we should be anti-Israel and hence we should be reflexively pro-Israel. Fuentes asked in multiple ways how exactly the US benefits from it's relationship with Israel and the only responses that Barnes could muster up was that it somehow gives US "leverage" in Middle East geopolitics (though he never really explains how) and that Israel is out there fighting "Islamofascism" on the behalf of the US. Fuentes correctly points out it's usually the US that pays in treasure and blood for these fights and that Islam actually isn't really a big direct threat on US soil and that's it actually Zionist interests that tend to have more of a negative effect on the US.

Nick is clearly pretty sharp and intelligent. It seems like of those interpersonal and leadership problems he's had in the past is mostly due to maturity and personality issues. It just shows there's way more to running a movement than just pure IQ.
 
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