No point in working

aynrus

Pelican
I've managed to build a great life for myself in the US. Great wife and kids, comfy little house, two reliable cars, and I'm generally happy most of the time. There's nothing special about me. If I can do it, anyone can.
Till they ask for the vaxx to work.
Anyway, witout vaxx even, wouldn't want that. I'll be blunt...kissing empllyer's arse is required and major HR oppression in the US, if you somehow escaped that you're really unique. US is a corporate slavery system. I call it corporate work camp.
And if you pay in the lines of 1K/month for health insurance...that's permanent slavery right there, in most places outside the states you don't pay anything at all.
But hey, my father built great career in the US and made tons of money he never worked for less than several hundred thousand here....he was doing real well in USSR too, was on the top. Great conformist. He believes in covid, communism, in the vaxx and thinks there's no any kind of technocratic globalist takeover of the world.
I'm not looking to submit to the slave system, no thanks. They can shove their benefits and money to where the sun doesn't shine, I'm taking another route.
 
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ilostabet

Pelican
There was some kind of formatting disaster when I originally replied and that part about $480 for health care wasn't supposed to post. I think it's actually twice that. It was also supposed to be in a separate post from the part about slavery.

Nevertheless, have you ever actually lived in the third world or the FSU? Not traveled, lived. As in being there permanently for years, knowing the language, being familiar with the day-to-day life of regular people there. Guys here hate, hate, hate to hear this, but we still have it far better in the US. Being a low level wagey sucks here, but if you're smart you have lots of opportunity to move up. The system isn't "fair" and there are a lot of problems, but we're far better of than places like Honduras and Zimbabwe. That's why those people mostly want to come here.

I've managed to build a great life for myself in the US. Great wife and kids, comfy little house, two reliable cars, and I'm generally happy most of the time. There's nothing special about me. If I can do it, anyone can.

No, never have. But I think it largely depends on what you want. Since what I want is actually to have less modern comforts so I can be freer, the first world doesn't really offer much of anything.

The only reason I haven't moved to a third world country (or even a second world, like ex-USSR) is because I have no ties there, ethnic, cultural or familial and I value this highly. Although this past year it has become far more appealing than it ever was before for obvious reasons, and I am now seriously considering it despite the downsides mentioned above.
 

bucky

Ostrich
Till they ask for the vaxx to work.
Anyway, witout vaxx even, wouldn't want that. I'll be blunt...kissing empllyer's arse is required and major HR oppression in the US, if you somehow escaped that you're really unique. US is a corporate slavery system. I call it corporate work camp.
And if you pay in the lines of 1K/month for health insurance...that's permanent slavery right there, in most places outside the states you don't pay anything at all.
But hey, my father built great career in the US and made tons of money he never worked for less than several hundred thousand here....he was doing real well in USSR too, was on the top. Great conformist. He believes in covid, communism, in the vaxx and thinks there's no any kind of technocratic globalist takeover of the world.
I'm not looking to submit to the slave system, no thanks. They can shove their benefits and money to where the sun doesn't shine, I'm taking another route.
I don't think problems with forced vaccinations will be in any way exclusive to US salaried employees. Don't get me wrong, if being a wagie in the US isn't what you want to do, there are certainly many other way you can go. Although, I'd argue though that you're probably just exchanging one master for another. What I was pointing out is that Americans are still better off than most of the world. That's why the world keeps coming here.
 

aynrus

Pelican
I don't think problems with forced vaccinations will be in any way exclusive to US salaried employees. Don't get me wrong, if being a wagie in the US isn't what you want to do, there are certainly many other way you can go. Although, I'd argue though that you're probably just exchanging one master for another. What I was pointing out is that Americans are still better off than most of the world. That's why the world keeps coming here.
I'm not going to work anymore, so no exchanging one master for another.
I worked for as long as I needed to get my startup capital and living expenses to last very long time (may be a lifetime) in a very cheap location, luckily before the covidian coup started. (they'll have more vaxxines coming, they're just starting on that)
As to Americans being better off...it heavily depends on which Americans, which socioeconomic group they belong to.
Hey, Wall Street moguls are definitely better off and no one will make them take the vaxx, and they'll travel anywhere without the vaxx too.
If you have to drop out of the system and not be subject to communist HR, corporate slavery, Covidian Creed or forced vaxx, and you don't have fixed income such as good amount of SSDI or millions in the bank producing enough interest, America is not a place to be, because of astronomical costs.

Anyway, regarding wage-workers...not a secret here they work more than in other parts of the world, with much less vacation time here too.
I worked all kinds of jobs here, not just as Silicon Valley engineer, I worked low paying too (total abusive slavery), and mid-range, corporate culture is hopeless. If I evern wanted to work for wages again, much rather would do it in Europe where work is more relaxed (but it won't be possible due to vaxx, pretty sure)

"The world" is not coming here...only Latin America (where the same system already collapsed into corruption, crime and monetary foes, what's happening here now). As to elsewhere - it's only certain (cough) personality types that want to be in America now, usually of very young age too. There're also types who're naive and uninformed (they'd drop cold if they learned someone pays 1k/month for health insurance, they think it's free neither they know what is the housing situation here now)
 
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aynrus

Pelican
Even in my high-paying high-benefits soylicon valley technocrat lizard job from-home (which had problems and conscience conflicts I described in another post above), I went to the state I basically was near having a death wish every day and eventually got badly physically sick from that stress, with permanent probs, was waking up every day just hoping to find myself in Siberian village or a jungle or something, cold, mosquitos, crazy natives, hungry bears and vicious dogs, anything just not that slavery. If it doesn't feel like freedom it ain't fee.
By the same token, I could probably can find comfy employment in North Korea, but it won't be good because of strings attached. Conscience conflicts is serious stuff. Hey, my dad's college roomie did 9 years in prison in USSR for being anti-communist, well they added fake "American spy" accusation to that (he's well known international politician now)....he had comfy life ahead of him, like my father, top school/high-value profession, why did he go against the system?
Ironically that "American spy" fought for nothing....American value is conformism and silence now.
By the way, I did hiring of other engineers - almost every resume in that big soylicon valley corporation was required to have certain ethnicity type of name on it, it wouldn't even make it past HR stage otherwise, they had completely sold out this country, both parties and this will get worse and spread to other occupations with automation and total globalization.
 
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Oberrheiner

Pelican
The entire corporate culture isn't something I find to be acceptable: HR witches, oppressive environment, PC speech, snitches and rats backstabbing culture, work visa hordes from certain country who're allowed to discriminate against everyone else, workaholic enviornment, checking one like for government clearance for a spy job just to get hired, demands for references (so you can't leave on bad terms like I heard was possible in France, next company will call your past employer 100%)
True, and I saw a lot of that when I was doing consulting.
It's mostly a big company thing though, small companies usually don't have the time for that kind of bs.
 

Syberpunk

Pelican
Gold Member
Companies around the world are buying up office space currently, this covidanity will end and its worshipers will be dragged kicking and screaming, plopped back in to their former meaningless lives.

Look at what they do, not what they say.
 
I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in this thread. Paying 40% income tax + other tax contributions + sales tax + local govt tax, the Middle Class is being r*ped and marked for extinction in The West.

And the thing is, we weren't asking for a lot. Most Men are ok with a stable society, quiet family life but add in the mass migration and social-engineering - that isn't even possible in The West.

The only thing is now, it is extremely clear, things will not get better in The West, it's just accelerated my plans to leave and live relatively off the grid.

I studied hard, got good grades and a decent paying job - but for what? Now, I need to be in crippling debt to pay almost half a million for a 3 bedroom house in an increasingly worse neighbourhood (due to migration) - just to raise a family and work for a Corporation that hates my values, for the rest of my life?

Nah, they can take their system and rot. I will extract as many resources as I can from this corrupt system and then leave.

My former boss played the "Mental Health" card, then the "back pain" card and spent close to a year getting paid to do NO WORK, then quit. This system elevates the "parasites of society" and demonises meritocracy. Sooner or later, we all realise, it's better to be a parasite than a hard-working person.
 
Companies around the world are buying up office space currently, this covidanity will end and its worshipers will be dragged kicking and screaming, plopped back in to their former meaningless lives.

Look at what they do, not what they say.

Valid point.

I agree with what you are saying. I would only add that this spending spree of office space will occur in tandem with a massive increase in high density apartment towers in the inner city.

I could see a trend where office towers are subdivided into partitioned studios - passed off as "on trend". It would be a manifestation of dormitory accommodation that has become more of a talking point over the last few years.
 

Punchitchewie

Woodpecker
Had this conversation with a work mate yesterday.
In australia in our tax bracket we pay
-37% income tax
-10% goods and services tax on purchases

That doesn’t cover healthcare which is
-2% Medicare levy on income
-Also required to have private health insurance because we are over 31 and earn too much

Or garbage disposal/ local council projects
-Council rates $1500-2500 year

Or road
-Car rego $1000 year

Or mains water
-Water rates $150+ a quarter

Or the tax on gasoline that we pay just to get to work

Or the parking fee most people in city areas pay just to park at work

And the cherry on the cake. Goods and services tax is calculated last. So we pay for the item, the tax on the item and then pay a 10% goods and services tax on the item AND the tax.

Lastly we also pay stamp duty to buy a house. It’s $20,000+ on the average house now.
 
Had this conversation with a work mate yesterday.
In australia in our tax bracket we pay
-37% income tax
-10% goods and services tax on purchases

That doesn’t cover healthcare which is
-2% Medicare levy on income
-Also required to have private health insurance because we are over 31 and earn too much

Or garbage disposal/ local council projects
-Council rates $1500-2500 year

Or road
-Car rego $1000 year

Or mains water
-Water rates $150+ a quarter

Or the tax on gasoline that we pay just to get to work

Or the parking fee most people in city areas pay just to park at work

And the cherry on the cake. Goods and services tax is calculated last. So we pay for the item, the tax on the item and then pay a 10% goods and services tax on the item AND the tax.

Lastly we also pay stamp duty to buy a house. It’s $20,000+ on the average house now.
It is the same S**t, different depth. Australia's GST is a lot lower than that of other European Countries. UK VAT is something like 20%. Stamp Duty for Aussies is the equivalent to Property Tax in the US - except it is yearly for them, where for us it is for each transaction.

I earned an extra $10k last financial year, compared with the year previous. Once the additional HECS payment was taken into account, I ended up having to pay an extra $13k tax. This is on a sub $100k per year income mind you.

I wish that I could work under an ABN. Instead of my effective tax rate being around 22%, I could cut it down to 4-5%.
 

Punchitchewie

Woodpecker
It is the same S**t, different depth. Australia's GST is a lot lower than that of other European Countries. UK VAT is something like 20%. Stamp Duty for Aussies is the equivalent to Property Tax in the US - except it is yearly for them, where for us it is for each transaction.

I earned an extra $10k last financial year, compared with the year previous. Once the additional HECS payment was taken into account, I ended up having to pay an extra $13k tax. This is on a sub $100k per year income mind you.

I wish that I could work under an ABN. Instead of my effective tax rate being around 22%, I could cut it down to 4-5%.
We still pay property tax in the form of council rates.
No one ever truly owns property anymore. For a brief time people in the US were free, the banks couldn’t let that last.

“Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913) "Hypothecated" all property within the federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, -in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a "beneficiary" of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets and labor of their "subjects," the 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, to the Federal Reserve System.”
 

AntoniusofEfa

Kingfisher
We still pay property tax in the form of council rates.
No one ever truly owns property anymore. For a brief time people in the US were free, the banks couldn’t let that last.

“Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913) "Hypothecated" all property within the federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, -in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a "beneficiary" of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets and labor of their "subjects," the 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, to the Federal Reserve System.”
I never knew. I just looked up this on wikipedia:

"The Panic of 1907 convinced many Americans of the need to establish a central banking system, which the country had lacked since the Bank War of the 1830s. After Democrats won unified control of Congress and the presidency in the 1912 elections, President Wilson, Congressman Carter Glass, and Senator Robert Latham Owen crafted a central banking bill that occupied a middle ground between the Aldrich Plan, which called for private control of the central banking system, and progressives like William Jennings Bryan, who favored government control over the central banking system."

I wonder what a new type of tax on working people will the dems come up with.
 

Salinger

Kingfisher
Had this conversation with a work mate yesterday.
In australia in our tax bracket we pay
-37% income tax
-10% goods and services tax on purchases

That doesn’t cover healthcare which is
-2% Medicare levy on income
-Also required to have private health insurance because we are over 31 and earn too much

Or garbage disposal/ local council projects
-Council rates $1500-2500 year

Or road
-Car rego $1000 year

Or mains water
-Water rates $150+ a quarter

Or the tax on gasoline that we pay just to get to work

Or the parking fee most people in city areas pay just to park at work

And the cherry on the cake. Goods and services tax is calculated last. So we pay for the item, the tax on the item and then pay a 10% goods and services tax on the item AND the tax.

Lastly we also pay stamp duty to buy a house. It’s $20,000+ on the average house now.

You guys have to pay $2% every month for Medicare + health insurance?
 

Punchitchewie

Woodpecker
You guys have to pay $2% every month for Medicare + health insurance?
Yep. That’s on top of the already existing income tax. Also if you are over 31 you are required to have private health insurance or pay an extra levy that goes up the longer you don’t have private health cover.

Makes me laugh when i hear Americans that want nationalised healthcare. The government has no incentive to be efficient or effective. Took my daughter to the ER last week. She had a 104f fever and was shaking. Took 5 hours to see a doctor just for a 5 minute inspection and to be prescribed anti biotics. Meanwhile aboriginals that came arrived walked straight in while shouting obscenities at everyone

Australia is a socialist nation with bureaucrats and aboriginals firmly at the top
 
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lookslikeit

Woodpecker
Yep. That’s on top of the already existing income tax. Also if you are over 31 you are required to have private health insurance or pay an extra levy that goes up the longer you don’t have private health cover.

Makes me laugh when i hear Americans that want nationalised healthcare. The government has no incentive to be efficient or effective. Took my daughter to the ER last week. She had a 104f fever and was shaking. Took 5 hours to see a doctor just for a 5 minute inspection and to be prescribed anti biotics. Meanwhile aboriginals that came arrived walked straight in while shouting obscenities at everyone

Australia is a socialist nation with bureaucrats and aboriginals firmly at the top

I think they had a point.
 

AntoniusofEfa

Kingfisher
Arbeit macht frei

No working, no participation in their system, no economic support for the new gulag and consumerist traps, withdrawal from their net
It's not about no working or consuming. It's about not paying taxes.
  • Buy locally
  • Whenever possible, get paid with untraceable Crypto and off the books
  • Set up shop in low income tax countries (Irish LTD).


Just look at a company like SAP AG. They have an Irish LTD that owns much software IP of the company. When a sale is made, a large portion of that sale is attributed to the Irish LTD, since that is where the IP is based at.
 

tothepoint

Woodpecker
You must first become rich to stop paying taxes. Doing it the other way around by cutting yourself off from civilization is a losing approach.

If I had a couple million in the bank I would be able to live almost tax free in Europe. You can avoid paying capital gains income tax as long as you fulfil 2 conditions:

1. Become a Maltese permanent resident by buying property (I think the minimum you have to spend is around 70k). Malta does not have minimum stay requirements for official residents. You can also rent but there is a minimum amount you have to spend on that. In the long term buying seems like a better deal.
2. Make sure your income comes from abroad and does not go through the Maltese banking system. Income not remitted to Malta – in other words, your entire worldwide income whether it be earned, unearned, capital gains or whatever – is not taxable at all.

So as long as you have a bank account in a different country you can live tax free inside the borders of the EU.

Well almost tax free...you still pay VAT (aka sucker tax) whenever you buy anything. You can limit that by buying from farmer's markets for example instead of supermarket chains.
You can avoid paying VAT on furniture and electronics by buying second hand.
It's the closest thing you'll get to a tax free existence in the EU socialist shithole.
 

NoFunInAus

Kingfisher
You must first become rich to stop paying taxes. Doing it the other way around by cutting yourself off from civilization is a losing approach.

If I had a couple million in the bank I would be able to live almost tax free in Europe. You can avoid paying capital gains income tax as long as you fulfil 2 conditions:

1. Become a Maltese permanent resident by buying property (I think the minimum you have to spend is around 70k). Malta does not have minimum stay requirements for official residents. You can also rent but there is a minimum amount you have to spend on that. In the long term buying seems like a better deal.
2. Make sure your income comes from abroad and does not go through the Maltese banking system. Income not remitted to Malta – in other words, your entire worldwide income whether it be earned, unearned, capital gains or whatever – is not taxable at all.

So as long as you have a bank account in a different country you can live tax free inside the borders of the EU.

Well almost tax free...you still pay VAT (aka sucker tax) whenever you buy anything. You can limit that by buying from farmer's markets for example instead of supermarket chains.
You can avoid paying VAT on furniture and electronics by buying second hand.
It's the closest thing you'll get to a tax free existence in the EU socialist shithole.
How will I have a "couple of mil" in the bank if you've actually read the OP?
 
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