No point in working

NoFunInAus

Woodpecker
Lately I've been discerning the religious life which, if I go through with it, requires vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.

When you swear off private property, you abandon yourself to the will and mercy of God. Furthermore, it forces you to act more mission-oriented; since I have given up ordinary attachments, what I have left I will use for God's kingdom.

How is this related to OP? As you stated, you're "better off" being on the file than working and somehow earning less than the leech class. But we both know that's not true, as sloth is a capital vice and those under its spell would rather the whole world burn than give up even a hair of their comforts. Given enough time, a society so disincentivized to work will collapse.

If you're a single man and feel no strong calling to matrimony (but also already live a chaste life) but have a zeal towards serving the Lord, I recommend discerning a religious vocation. However, if you are married, you are already fixed in your state in life--and if you have children, you have care of their souls as part of your vows. In this case, the buck stops with you to not only make the sacrifices necessary to attend to their physical needs, but to teach them right from wrong, how to live in virtue, and how the City of Man is opposed to the City of God.

You will pay dearly for your refusal to confirm to the Luciferian agenda, but the reward you earn is favor in the eyes of God and equipping your sons to be good Christians themselves.

I'll pray to God that He will supply all your needs!

I am more than capable of taking care of my family, and I will never let anything stand in the way from providing for them.

I do understand what you are saying but the abuse we are engaged in is just insane.

Sure, my OP might've been an over emotional rant but to me it was God's calling and the decision has been made.
 

Thomas More

Hummingbird
I have recently been thinking that the old advice still applies.

1. Work a job, and work your way up by being reliable and being able to take responsibility to make sure things get done. People who can do this get promoted.
2. Learn new skills, both technical skills, and management skills, like the ability to supervise a team, or a department, or a division. Move up in income and responsibility each decade
3. The most important. Live on less than you make. Live in a crappy apt with roommates if that's what it takes to make ends meet. Move to a cheaper area 45 minutes outside the big city, and live with roommates there, while driving a 10 year old sub-compact to commute to work.
4. Save your money, so you have a big nest egg to cover gaps in income. Buy a cheap property that you can pay off in 10 years. Buy a bigger property when the first is paid off. You're better to buy the smaller property and accelerate payments first, rather than taking on the mortgage for the bigger property from the start.
5. Avoid debt, except to buy an income producing asset. If you buy your home, it sort of fits this category, since you are effectively paying rent to yourself instead of paying it to a landlord. If you do take on debt, be sure you can afford accelerated payments, and pay it off as early as possible.
6. Max your contributions to a 401K or IRA, starting when you are young. You can borrow against your 401K for a down payment. Otherwise, build that nest egg so you will have a massive portfolio at 59 1/2 years old. Maintain additional savings outside the 401K that you can access anytime, and always keep growing this nest egg as well.
7. Be willing to move to a different area if your current area becomes too unattractive with economic and social decline or excessive taxes and regulation.

If you do these things, you should make ends meet in your 20s, become comfortable by your 30s, well off by your 40s, and very well off in your 50's and early 60s. This is true even if you just start off working as a warehouse associate or oil change tech in your 20's. As long as you always live on less than you make and build your savings, and as long as you always work hard and move up in responsibility and skill level, you will have financial security and increasing wealth.

This approach should always work for every man. You may have to live in extremely plain housing, but keep your place neat, and cook your own good food, and you can be comfortable. Keep a basic running car, a basic wardrobe, and a basic phone or computer for access to internet, email, and phone, and you'll have everything you need.

This will work no matter what kind of social or economic collapse happens in the coming years. If you look at all historic collapses, there is always a remnant that comes through in decent shape. The key is not to get caught up in the insanity of the age, wasting money on bling, or giving up on the ancient age-old principles of hard work and thrift.
 
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You add in how well people on welfare live and you do start to question if work is worth it. Especially when time is truly more valuable, all work really is, is you selling your time to the highest bidder.

Let me tell you how welfare works in Europe:

White male: Terrorized into accepting any work and relentlessly attacked with welfare cuts on any grounds.
Muslim male / female: Left alone, hanging around on the street with his clan, selling drugs and engaging in violence, rape and other crimes.
White female: Depends on the case worker, but the more kids she has the more likely she is left alone as well. Again incentivizes peak dysgenic people.

Big cities where most jobs are concentrated are expensive, welfare ghettos exclusively allocated to rapefugees (top priority in housing) so any white guy wanting to exist there has to put in a lot of work.

Thats how white guys are incentivized to slave for the leeches, but right now white guys are phased out in favor of women as well.
 

FactusIRX

Woodpecker
Blue collar work is our roots. It is how men worked for generations going back over all of human history. At the end of the day you feel you accomplished something due to feeling tired and a little beaten up. You can turn around and visibly see what you did and so can anyone else within eyesight.

I agree, blue collar work is much more rewarding spiritually.
I think this is why I would rather go to the gym and not make a cent than spend my day working at the computer and actually make money. The sense of physical accomplishment, the soreness, the adrenaline rush, the testosterone rush, the tangible goals and progress.

It’s no wonder that the elites love to destroy blue collar work and redistribute the work to soul destroying white collar jobs.
 

kazz

Kingfisher
Work is the same as hunting, fishing, farming. (true modern work is mostly not) but in your primitive brain it is and If you dont work you wont be part of any tribe worth anything, you will be an outcast and your instincts will tell you this no matter what.

Apart from current events most of us live in places where you can do what you want, if you try hard enough, If you dont want to work as a cooperate drone dont, you might have to do it for a while to make money to do what you want but not forever.

We live in an incredibly complex world but I believe a man needs to work/provide/protect, whatever that is. Make enough money doing whatever shit job you have to untill you can do what you really want to do. You dont have to be rich in my experience the best people in the world are those who are not rich.
 

bucky

Ostrich
I think this is why I would rather go to the gym and not make a cent than spend my day working at the computer and actually make money. The sense of physical accomplishment, the soreness, the adrenaline rush, the testosterone rush, the tangible goals and progress.

It’s no wonder that the elites love to destroy blue collar work and redistribute the work to soul destroying white collar jobs.

You could always do both. Added bonus that you'll be paying for that gym membership yourself, rather than with other people's money.
 

Troller

Kingfisher
This thread is the reason why socialism vomit always fail. The only outcome will be poverty. Abject poverty.

Buy land and start growing food. Look into perennial and self sustaining/seeding plants/tree.

Have zero faith on government. Governments are tits for the wealthy. All rich families I know suck the government. If people really knew how money is spent. That’s why I say government bank accounts should be public.
But even the wealthy get fucked. Some of families will disappear. They’re so stupid. Not even good for themselves they are self destructing. Stupid fucking masons.

This will collapse. Inflation will come. They need inflation to justify the increase of interest rates. People tell me to buy gold. I tell them to buy food and grow it. I’m growing food.

Trump is ok. But this will not turn around without blood. Which for people with family who just want to live peacefully is the worse possible outcome.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Welcome to Socialism!

"From each according to his ability to each according to his need"

Everyone eventually figures this out. Why be a brain surgeon when you can have the same lifestyle as being a part time janitor?

Marx. Probably right on diagnosing. His solutions have already been shown to be evidently disastrous.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Welcome to Socialism!

"From each according to his ability to each according to his need"

Everyone eventually figures this out. Why be a brain surgeon when you can have the same lifestyle as being a part time janitor?

Alright Karl Marx can truly get f*****


He refuses to condemn usury. Which involves those very Rich "Capitalists" he should condemn using money magic to screw the poor over with.

The parasitic financial class he truly supports.

Saying that opposition to it is a quaint superstition.
 
Let me tell ya'll how communism works in a nutshell:

Plot and scheme to make the ruling class look as bad as possible.

Use your financial powers to impoverish the masses through peak usury, hyperinflation etc. while distracting from yourself.

Blame the ruling class and get the peasants to take over with some controlled stooge as the headfigure (carefully screened for loyalty).

Purge anyone but the peasants using class hysteria, mass killing etc. (a 10 year process)

Slowly ease up once the structures are settled and open up for [[foreign investment]] that takes over existing resources like mines, oil wells, gas etc.

Use intricate structures to controll these assets from abroad and channel the money there. (Switzerland and the UK in the case of Russian oligarchs)

Keep the country poor so you can pay the workers rock bottom.

Pay the leadership enough in bribes to keep them in line and organize revolutions in case they go against the program.

I'm failry certain time there won't be any western country to run to as they will control everything from Israhell and even Switzerland might become some diversity hell 5G drone shit show.
 
WIFF - Work Is For Fools

I realized this a long time ago with my first real job out of university in the US. I moved to a mid-western state with an income tax and other taxes. I determined that before and after my check, I was looted of about 1/3 of it that could visibly count. Fed and state income, local income, sales tax, gas tax, tax on electricity bill, half the landline phone bill were taxes and fees (from the line items). Americans probably pay a 50% effective tax rate if you could figure out the other taxes in the stuff you buy to live and a place to rent. Remember, this is just to live, not taxes on any extras. I paid more in taxes than I did to have a place to live with electricity.

Overall, both parties suck but the people are mostly dumbasses who vote for enslavement. The money system is an even bigger issue before the taxation. I guess it's a good thing I never had kids.
 

bucky

Ostrich
WIFF - Work Is For Fools

I realized this a long time ago with my first real job out of university in the US. I moved to a mid-western state with an income tax and other taxes. I determined that before and after my check, I was looted of about 1/3 of it that could visibly count. Fed and state income, local income, sales tax, gas tax, tax on electricity bill, half the landline phone bill were taxes and fees (from the line items). Americans probably pay a 50% effective tax rate if you could figure out the other taxes in the stuff you buy to live and a place to rent. Remember, this is just to live, not taxes on any extras. I paid more in taxes than I did to have a place to live with electricity.

Overall, both parties suck but the people are mostly dumbasses who vote for enslavement. The money system is an even bigger issue before the taxation. I guess it's a good thing I never had kids.
So what do you do to pay your bills, wise one?
 

open source

Sparrow
Gold Member
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So what do you do to pay your bills, wise one?

What's your point? I was an engineer making a low $40k's salary at that time, so I was paying my bills, but I was really not better off than the guy working at Wal Mart. It was little more than comfortable slavery. If I'm going to pay a 50% effective tax rate, the work week should 4 days with a 3 day weekend. What is your point again?
 

bucky

Ostrich
What's your point? I was an engineer making a low $40k's salary at that time, so I was paying my bills, but I was really not better off than the guy working at Wal Mart. It was little more than comfortable slavery. If I'm going to pay a 50% effective tax rate, the work week should 4 days with a 3 day weekend. What is your point again?

You're not working. How do you honorably pay your bills? Who is paying them for you?

You appear to have rationalized that working is so hard and so unfair that it's better to live off other people's money and be a genetic dead end with no children. One of my many "points" is that I consider this dishonorable, weak, and cowardly. Another "point" is that it's not an example that I want to see men on RVF follow. Yet another "point," mostly aimed at younger guys following along: don't let people like GP and the cowards in the anti-marriage, anti-family minority on RVF convince you that it's a good idea to die alone without children, especially not because "work is hard." Working and raising a family are very difficult for the average man nowadays, but men on RVF are better than average, or at least we have the potential.

My apologies if you have some sort of real disability and cannot survive without other people's money and are incapable of raising a family, but I don't think that's the case. You presented work as something you've decided is for "fools," not as something you're incapable of. I suppose my final "point" as a working "fool" with a comfortable little house, a wonderful wife and children, and a happy life is that I disagree about which of us is the "fool." You're free of course to live off other people's money and die alone, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.

Consider St. Paul's words on work from 2 Thessalonians 3:10:

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Or from Psalm 128:

2 For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee.

3 Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.

4 Behold, that thus shall the man be blessed that feareth the LORD.
 
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You're not working. How do you honorably pay your bills? Who is paying them for you?

You made a lot of dumb conclusions based on my comment. Ever listen to Captain Capitalism? He would get what I'm saying. And I am paying my own bills, but the point is that the high tax, high regulation environment, along with the government funding more genetic dumb shits with either welfare or legal/illegal immigration is not favoring the productive person. I'm sick of paying for 'dumb-versity' as well; either you can do the job that standard or you can not.
 

Kekemet

Sparrow
WIFF - Work Is For Fools

I realized this a long time ago with my first real job out of university in the US. I moved to a mid-western state with an income tax and other taxes. I determined that before and after my check, I was looted of about 1/3 of it that could visibly count. Fed and state income, local income, sales tax, gas tax, tax on electricity bill, half the landline phone bill were taxes and fees (from the line items). Americans probably pay a 50% effective tax rate if you could figure out the other taxes in the stuff you buy to live and a place to rent. Remember, this is just to live, not taxes on any extras. I paid more in taxes than I did to have a place to live with electricity.

Overall, both parties suck but the people are mostly dumbasses who vote for enslavement. The money system is an even bigger issue before the taxation. I guess it's a good thing I never had kids.

I heard a nice quote recently: "If you don't have offspring, you have basically failed as an organism."
Now I know there are some people that don't have kids without it being their own fault, but to make it sound like it is a good idea not to have kids is morally wrong. In addition to that, I personally don't take people in my environment seriously at all, if they don't have kids.
 

bucky

Ostrich
You made a lot of dumb conclusions based on my comment. Ever listen to Captain Capitalism? He would get what I'm saying. And I am paying my own bills, but the point is that the high tax, high regulation environment, along with the government funding more genetic dumb shits with either welfare or legal/illegal immigration is not favoring the productive person. I'm sick of paying for 'dumb-versity' as well; either you can do the job that standard or you can not.

If you're calling me stupid, well yeah, I am often pretty stupid in a lot of ways. Still, I think any reasonable person who hears you say that "work is for fools" with no further explanation would conclude that you're a layabout and parasite. Don't be that way. I do listen to CC once in a while and I like him. IIRC he runs his own businesses and is not a leech or layabout. If you're doing that, then great. I'd even probably concede that it's superior to wage slaving like I'm doing. Point to CC's example and give us some examples of your own of how you're making your private business work. That would be helpful, as opposed to making dumb, nihilistic statements like "work is for fools."

And again, for the young guys following along, do not let GP or his ilk talk you into dying alone without children. Don't do it, man. Unless you're seriously considering the priesthood, leave dying childless to the cowards, burned out PUAs, and other degenerates.
 
I heard a nice quote recently: "If you don't have offspring, you have basically failed as an organism."
Now I know there are some people that don't have kids without it being their own fault, but to make it sound like it is a good idea not to have kids is morally wrong. In addition to that, I personally don't take people in my environment seriously at all, if they don't have kids.

Yet, here you are, on a forum designed, created, and administrated by an admitted fornicator with no kids. :laughter::laughter::laughter::laughter::laughter:
 
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