No point in working

NoFunInAus

Kingfisher
*update* I guess as some of you felt I left you and this thread in the dark; yes, the investments are being sold, the move to live mortgage-free and debt free is not far off and the time to spend with my children, all the time, and BE the father they need is nearing.

Material wealth is such a fucking hassle it's unbelievable. The moment you step away from all of the junk and speak to God you are golden. I wish you all the best.
 

andy dufresne

Kingfisher
Apologies for the odd topic post, but as I scroll past I keep mentally processing that username out of the corner of my eye as “No Fun in Anus”

LOL! I was going to post that many moons ago but well I didn't want to insult our Aussie brother.

And that version of the username does fit the general theme of this forum.
 

Pendleton

Pelican
The general point is correct - our government and institutions in general are corrupt and hostile and provide strong disincentives to work and family. These disincentives need to be acknowledged and carefully planned for but I don't see why they should prevent someone from doing what they want - whether doing a certain type of work or having a family. If you simply take the path of least resistance, you will become the type of person that society has been set up to create - an isolated, consumerist blob.
 

ginsu

Woodpecker
Not when you pay 40% tax to the beast.

*and some

I agree paying 40% tax + so much more is not worth it. But luckily there are still ways to lower them. In some cases even to 0%. Then working becomes a whole lot more worth it. I think trying to eliminate paying tax as much as possible is the best way to resist these globo homo governments. If you want to stay in the west it could mean living a simple live and sucking as much off of government assistance as you can while growing your own foods. If you are okay to go elsewhere you can eliminate most of the tax you pay or you can pay to governments who you don't mind supporting with taxes ( and most often the tax is far lower there ).

Edit: there are quite a few people who do jobs here and there without paying taxes. They just never advertise their business and its all word of mouth. Like painters or small construction jobs. When you go down to southern Europe its extremely common to pay rent in cash aswell. They probably earn enough to live off of aswell, sometimes much more. I'm not against paying tax in theory if you get a fair deal out of it. But that ship has sailed for now. Dropping bombs on innocent people in the middle east or buying supplies and Toyotas for ISIS is not what I have in mind.
 
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NoFunInAus

Kingfisher
I agree paying 40% tax + so much more is not worth it. But luckily there are still ways to lower them. In some cases even to 0%. Then working becomes a whole lot more worth it. I think trying to eliminate paying tax as much as possible is the best way to resist these globo homo governments. If you want to stay in the west it could mean living a simple live and sucking as much off of government assistance as you can while growing your own foods. If you are okay to go elsewhere you can eliminate most of the tax you pay or you can pay to governments who you don't mind supporting with taxes ( and most often the tax is far lower there ).
We could be best friends I think.

Yes, all you said is the next step. (except for the gov incentive thing)
 

godfather dust

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I was a crazed PCP fiend around a decade ago. I got locked up and when I got out was on the full range of welfare (housing, food stamps, disability, insurance, etc.)

I have been working the last 8-9 years and I like working, it helps me stay responsible, I feel proud of a job well done, it's honest, etc.

I am somewhat ashamed to admit this but right now I am working part time and trying to get back on welfare. I am almost certain there will be mandatory vaccination through the private sector. I also don't like wearing a mask the entire work day. I think governmental mandatory vaccination will be harder to implement, even for people on welfare. That said, a Biden steal will mean the country is a dictatorship and all bets are off.

I have a backup plan to go somewhat underground/off grid but I haven't fully worked out the kinks yet.
 

MrFreezy

Sparrow
absolutely no point in working.
as an employee - its called wage slavery. same as slavery but in the civilized world. I do it too. as long as it serves me. basically making money for the boss.
learn a trade - leads to self employment. or you work for an employer. same as wage slavery.
self employment - probably money if you do it right. if not a waste of time. no time for family or wife, relationship, etc. your customers are your family. if you got no family why do you need high income or a career? might as well get a dead end job, studio apartment, enough money for alcohol and weed, porn is free. e michael jones called it "the companies nowadays are paying homosexual wages".
 

Lionheart

Sparrow
absolutely no point in working.
as an employee - its called wage slavery. same as slavery but in the civilized world. I do it too. as long as it serves me. basically making money for the boss.
learn a trade - leads to self employment. or you work for an employer. same as wage slavery.
self employment - probably money if you do it right. if not a waste of time. no time for family or wife, relationship, etc. your customers are your family. if you got no family why do you need high income or a career? might as well get a dead end job, studio apartment, enough money for alcohol and weed, porn is free. e michael jones called it "the companies nowadays are paying homosexual wages".
Drop the alcohol and weed and you'll save more money. Why not become a writer or online consultant of some sort? Work your own hours and the potential money is unlimited.
 

MrFreezy

Sparrow
Drop the alcohol and weed and you'll save more money. Why not become a writer or online consultant of some sort? Work your own hours and the potential money is unlimited.
I was just making a point, which is "if you are a bachelor, there is no point in accumulating wealth, better to take it easy and take care of that depression".
As for myself: I m the married guy with kids who goes to church on Sunday. My life is pretty peachy.
 

lookslikeit

Woodpecker
*update* I guess as some of you felt I left you and this thread in the dark; yes, the investments are being sold, the move to live mortgage-free and debt free is not far off and the time to spend with my children, all the time, and BE the father they need is nearing.

Material wealth is such a fucking hassle it's unbelievable. The moment you step away from all of the junk and speak to God you are golden. I wish you all the best.

use the system to your advantage. If you are self-employed (I assume you have something like an LLC or a C-Corp), you should be paying much less, close to 0. You could offset lots of your family expenses on the company. When I was young my father had a software company, nothing fancy just to pay the bills. He also do some university courses for extra-income and it's just 4 hours a week. Anyway, my mother would figure out which of our items could pass as business-related expenses and invoice them to the company. This way not only you deduct from your profit/taxes but you are also not paying VAT for your kids stuff.

Also your wife is now an employee in your company with a very low salary. My father did that and milked the social insurance system to the penny. In the end, he probably came ahead by getting more in value and paying next to nothing every year. Just keep your books in a defensive mode. He got audited twice but the tax man and walked free because he kept good records and a good defensive story. If you are relying on your accountant you'll probably get ffed twice: You are paying too much and god forbid your accountant is horrible you'll end up in misery if you get audited.

The system is the system. As a self-employed/Business-owner you have the advantage to game the system unlike employed slave-wages and auditing this many people/businesses is next to impossible. This is why the system is made to milk you up as much as possible since there are too many loop-holes that people are exploiting. It's the unfortunate world where you get ffed in the ass if you are an honest and correct person. But if you are willing to play the game, you'll be able to improve your purchasing power considerably and maybe own some assets. somehow you'll come to like the system because you are suddenly becoming a part of it.
 

lookslikeit

Woodpecker
I have kids who I adore and cherish. I try to raise them red-pilled and "old school". I teach them to live independently and work hard and never give up. Rule #1 I try to emphasize to them is that "Life is not fair". I teach them that relying on others (especially the Government) is not the way to live.

However, lately I am having doubts about their future. I feel that I am setting them up to be serf-taxpayers for a system that rewards the lazy, work-avoiding, welfare class.

I had to recently purchase laptops for their remote schooling, when everyone else in their class was provided free laptops based on low income status. All of the kids who have free laptops are making trouble and distracting the entire class. The free laptop kids have no one at home helping them focus on schooling and require extra attention from the teachers. These actually brag to my kids that the get free laptops and internet access while they disrupt the class.

So I feel like a fool for teaching my children to work hard and excel so that they can be the taxpaying class that supports the kids that get free laptops and extra attention today. I feel like I'm training my kids to accept the yoke in the future.

honestly speaking, there is a lot to complain about when government spend the tax $$$. But giving poor kids laptops or an education should not be one of them.
 
Not when you pay 40% tax to the beast.

*and some

A friend of mine works under an ABN (Australian Business Number), as a sub contractor with a small company, though in effect an employee. With all the legitimate deductions he could make, including asset write offs, etc. He paid $2k in tax last financial year. A Pay-As-You-Go employee would pay nearly $12k in tax on the same gross income. The extent of the tax deductions available to salaried workers is limited, even though they are as legitimate as for a person working under an ABN.
 

typtre

Robin
The first few pages of this thread was an absolute shit show but what I think Pinochet alluded to was like going Galt in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. Going Galt meaning getting out Communist pre-Utopia. Maybe I'm putting words in his mouth. But essentially, when the system gets too corrupt and the looters take your shit like there's no tomorrow, the only option is to stop working. End the machinery. The looters function only because they can loot and leech of the productive individuals of society. They provide nothing of value of their own or by their tax enforced programs. By working for looters (not necessarily the corporations, but Corporatism is on the rise), you are helping yourself in the short run, but will stil lend in your demise unless you find something else. Like the main character, work defines her very being, and to stop working is not what going Galt is about. Sounds a little like what OP has done, but he was too very vague in his plan. Where is he gonna go? Where can he go? Colorado?

honestly speaking, there is a lot to complain about when government spend the tax $$$. But giving poor kids laptops or an education should not be one of them.
Giving poor kids laptops by taxation is theft. If you want to help, buy them a laptop yourself. Which you could easily do if government didn't steal 40%, spend 30% to pocket, write papers and pay people to buy the actual laptop.
There is no free education. Only indoctrination. It is particularly telling in my country where you are forced to go to school by the State Gun. No homeschooling allowed. Looking back, I am lucky enough to see how I was manipulated and I think many people on this forum are as well.
 

NoFunInAus

Kingfisher
The first few pages of this thread was an absolute shit show but what I think Pinochet ....
Why do you think it was a "shit show"? I think this thread is going just fine.

We can all agree or disagree but many men are finding out that working full-time for some meaningless corporation is a waste of life.

I will update again with more details once this step of our lives has been completed. God Bless
 

ilostabet

Pelican
Work is necessary because of the Fall. We should work only insofar as it allows us to get closer to God. Work does not give meaning to life, unless it is connected to that higher purpose. But in which case, it's not just work, but every breath and every step which is connected to it and gives meaning to life. Worship of work (and advancement, and invention, and enrichment) was the necessary dogma to make this system function. It benefits only the money lenders. Ever notice that the more we escape physical work in nature, the more time we waste on other types of work?

No healthy culture of the past from whatever geography ever considered working a good thing in itself. In the West this started long ago, but it wasn't endemic - and it's obviously not really a Christian understanding. It's time to break that stupid cycle and return to tradition.
 

typtre

Robin
Why do you think it was a "shit show"? I think this thread is going just fine.
Oh yes it is, there was just these bags with names on them flying around and the occasional blocking of persons.

No healthy culture of the past from whatever geography ever considered working a good thing in itself. In the West this started long ago, but it wasn't endemic - and it's obviously not really a Christian understanding. It's time to break that stupid cycle and return to tradition.
Indeed. You worked until you had food for the day and seldom any more than that. To the employers disappointment.
"Why do the workers stop working???" They could not understand.
And so, through trial and error, scheming and deceiving, manipulating and incentivizing, over time the 40-hour workweek became the solution to their problem. Forty hours is what an average modern Slave can take over its lifetime without succumbing to fatigue. The perfect balance between productivity and docility. Enough energy to work, but not enough left over to notice or care about the power plays in government.

"I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers." and "The people must be kept busy, busy, busy."

Even the Serfs didn't have it as bad as today because only 20% of what they produced was stolen from them.

Work in and of itself is meaningless, but as men, providing for self and for family is meaningful.

Consider St. Paul's words on work from 2 Thessalonians 3:10:
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

However, it becomes less meaningful when those who do not work gets to eat, some even more than the worker himself (the politicians, the government workers, and the "job keepers"-welfare takers).

And so, going Galt, going minimalist, or even going all-in on Welfare is becoming an increasingly lucrative option.
As Aaron Clarey put it in his book The Curse of the High IQ, and I'm paraphrasing:

Quitting your job to get Welfare is sometimes the smartest move. You no longer have to play office politics, you get free money and all time is your time. You will be free to work on your own ideas, building a business, creative arts or just play video games.
 
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