No point in working

typtre

Robin
That said, all of that would be far easier if we weren't importing the entire third world to undercut wages for the average Westerner. One of the many things about the left that makes me shake my head is the idea that blue collar jobs should pay a living wage, but we should also important hundreds of millions of third worlders who will happily work for even less than that living wage.
And Empowered Woman. Nothing has beaten down wages as much as 50% of the population entering the workforce just to buy cats, wine and anti-depressants.
 

NoFunInAus

Kingfisher
I'm very far into the camp that categorically rejects the idea of not working and going on the dole. While recognizing that the system is unfair, I see it as unmanly and cowardly. Sure, the job market is tough but you can reject being a failure and weakling, be better than the average guy and carve out a worthwhile niche for yourself in an unfair system. I did it, and if I've done it anyone who isn't actually handicapped in some way can.

That said, all of that would be far easier if we weren't importing the entire third world to undercut wages for the average Westerner. One of the many things about the left that makes me shake my head is the idea that blue collar jobs should pay a living wage, but we should also important hundreds of millions of third worlders who will happily work for even less than that living wage.
We're on the verge of "not working" becoming a political issue... which it is; but not just that, this whole feature of society has become intrinsic to it and by that... irrelevant (in a productive form)

"working" for some asshole is not "manly", it's quite the opposite
 

bucky

Ostrich
I feel you, but still, most business ventures fail. While this would be a worthwhile risk for some, some others will find themselves in debt with no job if they take the same risk. And if I’m not mistaken, a plurality of working people don’t even make enough money to have any left over to save at the end of the month. That’s why I think that, in general, it would be better if we had decent-paying jobs that were more humane.
I'm very far into the camp that categorically rejects the idea of not working and going on the dole. While recognizing that the system is unfair, I see it as unmanly and cowardly. Sure, the job market is tough but you can reject being a failure and weakling, be better than the average guy and carve out a worthwhile niche for yourself in an unfair system. That said, all of that would be far easier if we weren't importing the entire third world to undercut wages for the average westerner. One of the many things about the left that makes me shake my head is the idea that
We're on the verge of "not working" becoming a political issue... which it is; but not just that, this whole feature of society has become intrinsic to it and by that... irrelevant (in a productive form)

"working" for some asshole is not "manly", it's quite the opposite
Potential solution: don't work for assholes.

But yeah, I agree with you in the sense that I believe the main point of the plandemic is to institute some sort of UBI for the more-or-less useless masses who will increasingly find their unskilled jobs automated and performed by robots and computers under the Great Reset. It follows that if you're introducing a UBI, it will be much easier to pull off if you can also reduce population.

However, I would argue that the manly thing to do is to still find some way to be fruitful and multiply rather than giving up and being a dead end and dying alone. I believe that this is what God wants for you unless you're going into the priesthood or something like that. "But it's hard!!!" you'll say. Indeed, it will be difficult to pull off for the average man, but again, don't be average. Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. Or don't, I guess. It's up to you.
 

rainy

Kingfisher
I feel you, but still, most business ventures fail. While this would be a worthwhile risk for some, some others will find themselves in debt with no job if they take the same risk. And if I’m not mistaken, a plurality of working people don’t even make enough money to have any left over to save at the end of the month. That’s why I think that, in general, it would be better if we had decent-paying jobs that were more humane.
I agree most business ventures fail. That’s why I believe finding a way to acquire a successful business with an existing client roster carries considerably less risk. Or apprentice, learn a trade and later branch out on your own.

Obviously this isn’t an option for anyone. My broader point was looking at all the money people spend on degrees and don’t see a ROI for it. That same money with some sweat equity and ambition can turn a much more solid ROI than many degrees.

All that aside and for people just looking for work. The biggest challenge I face along with all the companies I work with is we can’t find qualified help. We can’t find people in their 20s and 30s who want to be or become well compensated foreman. Whether it’s design/build, irrigation, lighting, masonry, etc, it’s as if the younger generation refuses to get outside and work.
 
I agree most business ventures fail. That’s why I believe finding a way to acquire a successful business with an existing client roster carries considerably less risk. Or apprentice, learn a trade and later branch out on your own.

Obviously this isn’t an option for anyone. My broader point was looking at all the money people spend on degrees and don’t see a ROI for it. That same money with some sweat equity and ambition can turn a much more solid ROI than many degrees.

All that aside and for people just looking for work. The biggest challenge I face along with all the companies I work with is we can’t find qualified help. We can’t find people in their 20s and 30s who want to be or become well compensated foreman. Whether it’s design/build, irrigation, lighting, masonry, etc, it’s as if the younger generation refuses to get outside and work.

Because the western Globalhomo education system heavily underemphasizes these jobs and their importance. Younger generation being prepped by western education system leading to whole host of skilled building/repairman jobs being unfilled leading to companies having to hire immigrants from 3rd world countries to match the demand and thus the cycle continues...
 

bucky

Ostrich
Because the western Globalhomo education system heavily underemphasizes these jobs and their importance. Younger generation being prepped by western education system leading to whole host of skilled building/repairman jobs being unfilled leading to companies having to hire immigrants from 3rd world countries to match the demand and thus the cycle continues...
Heh. All the competent handymen and HVAC guys I know in my area are Mexican or Venezuelan.

I'm too old for a career change now, but if I could do my life over I'd be a plumber. I think that would be a great option for a younger guy who wants a career and a family.
 

aynrus

Pelican
We're on the verge of "not working" becoming a political issue... which it is; but not just that, this whole feature of society has become intrinsic to it and by that... irrelevant (in a productive form)

"working" for some asshole is not "manly", it's quite the opposite
Working for someone these days is just slavery (in most cases). People say don't work for jerks, but the entire System is build for jerks to flourish and control others, so the chance of finding a good situation is small and is getting smaller by the day.
Secondly, in a country like America references from your past employer are always checked (checked for 5 years back, usually) - there're big firms that do this verification now - so good luck with splitting with the jerk, they have the full power ruining future employment chances for you. Oh and you walk out on the jerk, you lose your health insurance (unless you love $700/month COBRA rip off)...people on the dole never lose it.

I worked in various capacities including 3-figure Silicon Valley software engineering jobs and low-paying menial jobs...even in high-paying job it felt like abusive slavery and being held by the balls by the lowest scum of earth - even though I worked remotely, they find ways to get to you - I was nearly driven to offing myself by such employer.
And now US lawyers say employers can demand employees to get covid-1984 vaccine, it all is just going downhill. I'm completely blackpilled about the prospects. Think better either on the dole or grabbing what you can and exiting to a low cost of living country. With more jobs going permanently remote, the competition from low-cost countries will be even stronger anyway.
 

NoFunInAus

Kingfisher
Working for someone these days is just slavery (in most cases). People say don't work for jerks, but the entire System is build for jerks to flourish and control others, so the chance of finding a good situation is small and is getting smaller by the day.
Secondly, in a country like America references from your past employer are always checked (checked for 5 years back, usually) - there're big firms that do this verification now - so good luck with splitting with the jerk, they have the full power ruining future employment chances for you. Oh and you walk out on the jerk, you lose your health insurance (unless you love $700/month COBRA rip off)...people on the dole never lose it.

I worked in various capacities including 3-figure Silicon Valley software engineering jobs and low-paying menial jobs...even in high-paying job it felt like abusive slavery and being held by the balls by the lowest scum of earth - even though I worked remotely, they find ways to get to you - I was nearly driven to offing myself by such employer.
And now US lawyers say employers can demand employees to get covid-1984 vaccine, it all is just going downhill. I'm completely blackpilled about the prospects. Think better either on the dole or grabbing what you can and exiting to a low cost of living country. With more jobs going permanently remote, the competition from low-cost countries will be even stronger anyway.
No need to be black-pilled dude, there are so many things a man could do (yes none of this is easy but at least you could try)

My advice is to ditch all this "knowledge" in the artificial way and embrace the natural. A job is a job, not your life.

 
Heh. All the competent handymen and HVAC guys I know in my area are Mexican or Venezuelan.

I'm too old for a career change now, but if I could do my life over I'd be a plumber. I think that would be a great option for a younger guy who wants a career and a family.

Not only that but a great chance to be your own boss and not having to go through the painful ritual of working in a cucked environment where you are managed by either a feminist, soyboy, retarded npc or an immigrant who can barely speak English...
 

aynrus

Pelican
No need to be black-pilled dude, there are so many things a man could do (yes none of this is easy but at least you could try)

My advice is to ditch all this "knowledge" in the artificial way and embrace the natural. A job is a job, not your life.

I don't have to work for a while, may be never again.... and I'm too old anyway. Won't be working for "them" again. I'm black pilled since long time ago and it won't change. This dog won't be learning new tricks and dancing to their crazy music, injected with their vaccine (that they'll probably require from most). I'll just cut my expenses by moving where it's cheap, if things get de-vauled, may be even to homeland Russia in the worst case, and I can live doing small scale agriculture with few expenses. I know rural people in Russia who have almost zero expenses, may be $100 a month. I might die few years earlier than otherwise, because of lack of medical care there, earlier than if I slaved to live up to their imaginary standards... no biggie.
 
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Salinger

Kingfisher
I was thinking about doing a thread about this exact topic. United States of course... If you have an S Corp or LLC there are so many advantages. If your married, you can double up your savings. And with kid(s) there are even more savings. A scenario I just calculated... married couple, 100k income before taxes, 15k business expenses, live off of $35,000/year (part via distribution), and the rest is dumped into retirement accounts (IRA/401k), health savings account, while only paying a few thousand in income taxes and fica/medicare/ss. Plus getting almost free healthcare through the marketplace and subsidies.

How pray tell does this couple get "almost free healthcare through the marketplace and subsidies?"
 

username

Ostrich
Gold Member
If you have a health plan through Obamacare / healthcare.gov you can get a subsidy if your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) is between $17,240 and $68,960 (for a married couple.) If you mess around with the Subsidy calculator you can see how much certain income get back.

Like if this couple had a MAGI of $65,000 in my state they would get back $3,000 off the premium per year. If they had a MAGI of $28,000 they would get $8,000 off their premium per year. If they pick a health plan that is $9,000 per year ($750/month) then they get off/back the $8,000 making their net cost only $1,000/year.
 

fmman

Robin
Personally, I spent 28 years working in electronics, before being forced out of my job by impossible targets made up by a manager who wanted to avoid making me redundant. I've tried to get back into that type of work but the covid crap hit. Now I'm slaving away in a covid menial job. In my years of good work I saved and invested and have a bought few properties that are rented. Plus about $400k in cash. I am worried that with the great reset and the failure of the world due to all this money printing that cash will become worthless. I feel like putting as much of this money into pensions, selling properties, spending the money to have a good few years of nice living somewhere warm, then going onto state handouts like everyone else. I am 48 and my body is failing anyway in my highly physical work.

Its a total change from what I'm programmed to do, to invest and save and work hard, but I see that I got it wrong and that to work is for mugs, when people have never worked and get everything for free and live better than I do.
 
I'm almost 30 years old, but I've only had a real job in my early twenties for 9 consecutive months.

Why?

Because as soon as I started working, I realized it was a big slave trap. You pay taxes, have to obey your boss, tolerate the other leftist slaves and be on time 5 days a week? Lol. Why would I do that.

I quit my first and only job, setup my own freelance business and never looked back. The only time having a job would be worth it is if you're an executive in a big company or at least have a high-ranking status where you can put pressure on corporate slaves and take the credit from them.
 
Coming from a Christian perspective, working and keeping busy is a way of serving God. The globohomos want us sitting around watching pornos, ordering ubereats and basically becoming more self-destructive.
My job isn't glorious and doesn't pay great. I drive around all day doing deliveries but on the positive side I'm alone in my van and I can listen to whatever I want. I usually put on some Christian podcast and pray the rosary, so I'm working, praying and keeping Christ always not far away in my thoughts.
Do all things to glorify Christ.
 

AntoniusofEfa

Kingfisher
Coming from a Christian perspective, working and keeping busy is a way of serving God. The globohomos want us sitting around watching pornos, ordering ubereats and basically becoming more self-destructive.
My job isn't glorious and doesn't pay great. I drive around all day doing deliveries but on the positive side I'm alone in my van and I can listen to whatever I want. I usually put on some Christian podcast and pray the rosary, so I'm working, praying and keeping Christ always not far away in my thoughts.
Do all things to glorify Christ.
I'd say that there is no point in working full time.

Whenever I look at my LinkedIn feed, it's all full of woke. I see Euro and US MegaCorps promoting women up to six figure positions, based on some gender quotes. The situation in Academia is even worse, just ask anyone who has to apply for research grants in the US or Canada. With every $ I make the company, I know that I, and whoever is really doing the work, is getting maybe 10% of that as pre-tax salary. I have no trouble making a capitalist rich, but I do hate making the woke leftists rich.

The moment that all productive members of society : Engineers, doctors, and so on, will refuse to work as salaried employees for woke corporations, will be a major turning point. Minimalism, combined with contract work is the only sane path for a white male left in the west (or Eastern Europe).
 
The moment that all productive members of society : Engineers, doctors, and so on, will refuse to work as salaried employees for woke corporations, will be a major turning point. Minimalism, combined with contract work is the only sane path for a white male left in the west (or Eastern Europe).

I refuse to be an employee and only do contractor work.

I don't understand how could an engineer in IT, given the huge demand, accept to work in a corporation as an on-field salaried-slave. That is even more true in France where salaried engineers don't get access to stock-options as far as I know.

Well, at least one positive point of the corona-hoax is that companies seem more ok than before with remote work, for IT contractors. I say seem because I still haven't done any contact work since the clownvirus, I had some money on the side...

Engineers, doctors, and so on

Are you saying that many doctors accept to be salaried? I am not sure about this point, but it seems to me that in France at least, most of them have their own cabinet. But then, in France the hospital / mall culture is not very strong.
 

PUA_Rachacha

Woodpecker
I'm almost 30 years old, but I've only had a real job in my early twenties for 9 consecutive months.

Why?

Because as soon as I started working, I realized it was a big slave trap. You pay taxes, have to obey your boss, tolerate the other leftist slaves and be on time 5 days a week? Lol. Why would I do that.

I quit my first and only job, setup my own freelance business and never looked back. The only time having a job would be worth it is if you're an executive in a big company or at least have a high-ranking status where you can put pressure on corporate slaves and take the credit from them.
This will come back to bite you as your skills are suited for the current marketplace, and not for the future. IT is constantly evolving, which requires lots of training. Employers will pay for employees training while paying their salary; firms will just switch contractors if the previous contractor is not keeping up with the times.

You can totally get away with freelancing if you're young and unfettered with a family and house. It's much tougher if you want to start a family.

Good luck.
 
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