Normies and coronavirus

barrythecyborg

Woodpecker
"What will we do as men when resisting in the future will be much much harder than getting yelled at in a store? I feel like this is basic training for what is to come."

I feel for the most part this is pathetic...

When you look back at history and ask, 'how could they DO that??'

Force people to wear stars...

Shoot pregnant women in fields...

Well...
 
The other day I walked down a street that always has a few people walking around. Everyone did the walk across the street to avoid the leper thing except one person. I felt like Roddy Piper in "They Live."

The basic lack of curiosity among the American people is a disgrace.

I don't understand how if you are so deathly scared you cover your face outside in 100 degree weather, you don't try to learn everything about what is going on. Which is a virus that is less serious than the common cold for people not on their deathbed.

I guess like a lot of people here I'm completely out of touch with midwits and normies.
The average American is, historically speaking, one of the dumbest human beings that has ever walked the Earth. All those IQ points don’t mean very much when you’re unable to piece basic facts together and see how they’re related.
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
I have to constantly remind myself to remain charitable with people, and it's becoming difficult not to get angry with them. Especially when they're acting hysterical and retarded.

@AnonymousBosch's posts are helpful in this regard though. I just remind myself that I'm also a retard, retardation is a sliding scale, and God is infinitely far right on that scale. So putting up with my constant retardation must require infinitely more patience from Him than dealing with hysterical normies does for me. If God has infinite patience for me, then the least I can do is try to be patient with someone that's, in the grand scheme of things, no more retarded than I am.
You're beginning to see the deeper spiritual reality: why it's important to show mercy to others due to the mercy you receive from God.

What you're doing in these moments is both mortifying your own desire to force others to comply with your will, and redirecting that drive of the will to will yourself to love others. This means, rather than loving them easily and selfishly due to their positive Sensible qualities that you can gain personal pleasure from, (good looks, charm, easy-going nature), you're loving them due to their Spiritual qualities alone - they're all redeemed children of God and He has a plan for each and every one of them - despite their obviously-unpleasant, frustrating nature.

This is the difference between what St Thomas Aquinas would call the Sensible Love of the Psyche (where the emotions reside, and the devil can influence), and the Spiritual Love of the Pneuma (where the intellect and will reside, and the devil can't influence). This is why, say, if you're struggling with Prayer and are getting nothing pleasurable back from it but persist regardless, you are directing your will to force yourself to pray, and it is considered far more pleasing to God and of greater spiritual merit than the sensible tears, joys and transports people in the early purgative way think 'proves' that God loves them. You are choosing Him of your own Free Will, even if you have to 'fake it til you make it'.

St Therese calls this process an 'elevator' to God, and she's right: I passed through the Purgative Way in only seven months, simply by following her 'Little Way'. I know one Latin Mass man who very much likes his will being done, who hasn't advanced out of the Purgative Way after ten years. Every opportunity that presents itself to frustrate your own will, respond to it with patience and charity. I'm often very ill after Church, and trying to make the 12 minute drive home as quickly as possible whilst trying not to throw up. Without fail, this is when God puts someone driving under half the speed limit on the road in front of me, and I usually call on my sheer force of will to respond by thanking Him for the frustration and asking Him to bless them. Sometimes, it comes easily. Of course, I'm human, so now and then I'm having a rough day and grumble, but I've also noticed if I grumble, the car stays in front of me almost the entire way home, where if I thank Him, it soon turns onto a different road. :D

Keep doing what you're doing Iop: if you can cultivate these three qualities - Spiritual Love, Detachment and Humility - beyond your prayer and meditative life, God will elevate you to the Illuminative Way, grant Contemplation (direct infusion of himself into your soul through prayer), and the Supernatural Life will become a living reality to you.
 

EndlessGravity

Woodpecker
What you're doing in these moments is both mortifying your own desire to force others to comply with your will, and redirecting that drive of the will to will yourself to love others. This means, rather than loving them easily and selfishly due to their positive Sensible qualities that you can gain personal pleasure from, (good looks, charm, easy-going nature), you're loving them due to their Spiritual qualities alone - they're all redeemed children of God and He has a plan for each and every one of them - despite their obviously-unpleasant, frustrating nature.
No, I'm protecting my family from being physiologically damaged and trampled by the herd. You're also incorrect: not everyone walking around is a redeemed child of God. Why would you think so?
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
No, I'm protecting my family from being physiologically damaged and trampled by the herd. You're also incorrect: not everyone walking around is a redeemed child of God. Why would you think so?
Because it's a core teaching of the Catholic Faith, reinforced by 2000 years of Popes, The Magisterium, The Saints and Church Mystics. It's evidenced in the lives of St Paul, St Augustine, St Magdelene, and in the story of St Maria Goeretti, whose forgiveness of her murderer led to his conversion.



Jesus died for everyone's sins, not just yours and those whom you find agreeable to your tastes, and, no matter whether you sensibly-judge someone unworthy of His forgiveness in the current moment, it's not your right to make final condemnation on the state of their soul. Everyone is redeemed and has their entire life to make the choice of their free will to chose him, right until their final breath, as evidenced by the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard. It doesn't matter when you come, just as long as you come. People testify all the time of how far they were from God when He called them back: I've heard testimonials from Porn Stars, Abortionists, Satanists, Drug Users. Whenever I'm tempted to think I'm somehow special for how quickly I was showered with Consolations, I remember reading this in an old Theological Text and laughing out loud, thanking God for the Humiliation.

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Those whom seem opposed to Us and Him, are simply Us, earlier on the journey.

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To condemn anyone as unworthy of His forgiveness is Usurpation of God's Right to Judge His children: this is what Jesus stresses to the Pharisees wanting to stone the Adulteress; the Parable of the Publican and the Pharisee; and in the Parable of the Prodigal son, where the 'Bad' Son represents the Sinner, the Father represents God and the Dutiful Brother the Pharisee. I've seen him called - even on this forum - the 'Good' Son. Meaning people are judging, once again, Sensibly, and so, judging incorrectly.

This is considered important enough that the Active Third Order groups stress making no moral judgments about the poor, the imprisoned and the sick that you will be serving.

Jesus makes it very clear that this is how He will know if you are his disciple: by your ability to love others. Is it easy? No. It requires a Heroic Effort to do this, but He's not seeking the Mediocre. He says you will suffer persecution for following Him. This is why it's a Narrow Gate.

St John of the Cross has some famous Maxims for Detachment. It makes me laugh that the worldly thinks lifting weights take 'sacrifice' and 'discipline' and is evidence of your 'strength' and 'discipline'.

Endeavor to be inclined always:

- not the easiest, but to the most difficult;
- not to the most delightful, but to the harshest;
- not to the most gratifying, but to the less pleasant;
- not to the most, but to the least;
- not to the highest and most precious, but to the lowest and most despised;
- and desire to enter for Christ into complete nudity, emptiness and poverty in everything in the world.
 
Because it's a core teaching of the Catholic Faith, reinforced by 2000 years of Popes, The Magisterium, The Saints and Church Mystics. It's evidenced in the lives of St Paul, St Augustine, St Magdelene, and in the story of St Maria Goeretti, whose forgiveness of her murderer led to his conversion.



Jesus died for everyone's sins, not just yours and those whom you find agreeable to your tastes, and, no matter whether you sensibly-judge someone unworthy of His forgiveness in the current moment, it's not your right to make final condemnation on the state of their soul. Everyone is redeemed and has their entire life to make the choice of their free will to chose him, right until their final breath, as evidenced by the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard. It doesn't matter when you come, just as long as you come. People testify all the time of how far they were from God when He called them back: I've heard testimonials from Porn Stars, Abortionists, Satanists, Drug Users. Whenever I'm tempted to think I'm somehow special for how quickly I was showered with Consolations, I remember reading this in an old Theological Text and laughing out loud, thanking God for the Humiliation.

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Those whom seem opposed to Us and Him, are simply Us, earlier on the journey.

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To condemn anyone as unworthy of His forgiveness is Usurpation of God's Right to Judge His children: this is what Jesus stresses to the Pharisees wanting to stone the Adulteress; the Parable of the Publican and the Pharisee; and in the Parable of the Prodigal son, where the 'Bad' Son represents the Sinner, the Father represents God and the Dutiful Brother the Pharisee. I've seen him called - even on this forum - the 'Good' Son. Meaning people are judging, once again, Sensibly, and so, judging incorrectly.

This is considered important enough that the Active Third Order groups stress making no moral judgments about the poor, the imprisoned and the sick that you will be serving.

Jesus makes it very clear that this is how He will know if you are his disciple: by your ability to love others. Is it easy? No. It requires a Heroic Effort to do this, but He's not seeking the Mediocre. He says you will suffer persecution for following Him. This is why it's a Narrow Gate.

St John of the Cross has some famous Maxims for Detachment. It makes me laugh that the worldly thinks lifting weights take 'sacrifice' and 'discipline' and is evidence of your 'strength' and 'discipline'.

Endeavor to be inclined always:

- not the easiest, but to the most difficult;
- not to the most delightful, but to the harshest;
- not to the most gratifying, but to the less pleasant;
- not to the most, but to the least;
- not to the highest and most precious, but to the lowest and most despised;
- and desire to enter for Christ into complete nudity, emptiness and poverty in everything in the world.
My thoughts on the 'Good' son were found in verse 29 of Luke 15:

"But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders'..."

"Never disobeyed" is the key.

The 'Good' son, therefore, would have been perfect, which NONE of us are.

Conclusion:
Every single one of us is lost and has strayed from our Heavenly Father to some degree; we all need to be humble enough to come to our senses and decide to journey our way back to Him.

As an aside,
"... and, no matter whether you sensibly-judge someone unworthy of His forgiveness in the current moment, it's not your right to make final condemnation on the state of their soul. Everyone is redeemed and has their entire life to make the choice of their free will to chose him..."
EndlessGravity's initial questioning of you was correct, based on what you had previously written. This clarification you gave was needed (and also correct).
 
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Easy_C

Crow
In the original sense yes, but in terms of the here and now there are a lot of people who actively have chosen to reject that redemption and their free will is respected.

That’s where things become difficult for someone from my professional background. Even with training it’s still very difficult to be able to dispatch “bad guys” without hatred Especially when they do things like blowing up children.
 

Easy_C

Crow
Plus you also have to consider that some of us have different vocational requirements. Since I am head of a family that family’s spiritual and physical welfare is my primary earthly obligation. If forced into the the choice between inflicting violence on an aggressor or allowing violence to be inflicted on my
family my hierarchy of responsibility requires that I choose to inflict enough harm on the aggressor to counter their violent intent.

Those who have responsibility or leadership on larger scales have the same moral obligation and if not for leaders abandoning that obligation we would not be in our current situation
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
Then do whatever it is you feel it is your moral obligation to do, because it's not my duty to argue theology with every single person who crosses my path in an attempt to 'save' them. This is the wisdom of respecting Free Will that comes with moving past the Purgative stage. People either hear or they don't. I can very calmly accept you're not going to hear and am not interested in wasting your time any more than mine. If people think I'm a 'coward' for not responding to a call to an argument, it's more that... I've already moved on.

I was only encouraging Iop on the fast track to Contemplation, and understand that though that's a Universal Call from God, very few accept. That's God's business, and He respects Free Will.
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
My thoughts on the 'Good' son were found in verse 29 of Luke 15:

"But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders'..."

"Never disobeyed" is the key.
Note he's disobeying his Father as he says that, condemning himself by his own words.

I think I have a Dominican breakdown of the multiple sins of the 'Good' son somewhere, if you're curious.
 

barrythecyborg

Woodpecker
It's just dawned on me that once this mother fucking vaccine drops (and the masses line up to take it) the pool of 'clean' women capable of producing actual human babies will be next to zero...

Best get one of these beauties up the duff STAT...
 
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godfather dust

Ostrich
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It's just dawned on me that once this mother fucking vaccine drops (and the masses line up to take it) the pool of 'clean' women capable of producing actual human babies will be next to zero...

Best get one of these beauties up the duff STAT...
My theory is it's going to be an antagonist/blocker of testosterone receptors.
Who knows, it's going to be poison though.
 

skullmask

Sparrow
One third of Americans would refuse the vaccine

Something to take heart about. I think we need to push this out there. No need to be a conspiracy theorist, just express doubts about the efficacy and safety of the vaccine. Bring up the PREP act that pretty much gives full immunity to these pharma companies.

Personal anecdotes are good too. An old timer told me a story once, years ago he knew a couple who took their baby in for shots. What was once a healthy baby was turned into a vegetable. Modern law limits what you as a parent can do about it.

I found out recently my little sister is fairly redpilled regarding modern pharma. She doesn't trust vaccines, and expressed relief when I agreed with her. I guess she felt like she was the only one. Most people simply can't be reasoned with. She said she gave up talking about it with her peers, because all they do is freak out when someone questions the status quo. "OMG don't you care about children getting polio?!" and so on.
 

Easy_C

Crow
Then do whatever it is you feel it is your moral obligation to do, because it's not my duty to argue theology with every single person who crosses my path in an attempt to 'save' them. This is the wisdom of respecting Free Will that comes with moving past the Purgative stage. People either hear or they don't. I can very calmly accept you're not going to hear and am not interested in wasting your time any more than mine. If people think I'm a 'coward' for not responding to a call to an argument, it's more that... I've already moved on.

I was only encouraging Iop on the fast track to Contemplation, and understand that though that's a Universal Call from God, very few accept. That's God's business, and He respects Free Will.

If I was incorrect, the church would not have canonized Isabella and Ferdinand of Spain.


Nor would they have canonized St. Louis who crusaded and burned the Talmud.


My point is while judgement is not our job, we are still called to defend our people and sometimes making assessments of things like whether or not someone is a threat are required to do that.
 

EndlessGravity

Woodpecker
If people think I'm a 'coward' for not responding to a call to an argument, it's more that... I've already moved on.
Conveniently giving yourself the last word. Cowardly? Might be, might not. Disrespectful? Among men, most likely.

@Easy_C is correct, and you're conflating judgement of one's soul with ascertaining their actions toward those you're responsible for. I've gotten the impression that you may not have children and may be devotedly withdrawn from the world, is that correct?
 
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